CBS All Access' "Star Trek: Picard" (Season 3)

[shinobipopcorn]

Originally Posted by willbfree

I finally saw the finale of Enterprise this year (SPOILERS) and it was not as horrible as everyone - including many of the cast of Enterprise itself - had warned.

It was no All Good Things to be sure. But it did have a touching moment between Archer and T’Pol, which was important because the human-Vulcan relationship was the foundation of the series.

What was a bit galling was that the episode teased but ultimately did not show a key moment in the founding of the Federation - and it felt very much as if that was being saved for a motion picture which never came.

I heard one of the novels retconned the part of the ENT ending where

[Show spoiler]Trip died

since it made no sense. Either way, since the episode was Riker's POV while goofing on the holodeck (and novels are EU) you can believe what you want. That's how I take it.

Originally Posted by space86

I hope they don’t change the look of the Cardassians like they did the Klingons

They changed them? *looks* What the hell?! Did they breed with a xenomorph?

[RancorKeeper]

The ENT books were pretty good, but I just don't like how they killed Trip off just so he , an engineer, can go undercover as a spy surgically altered to look like a Romulan.

Then again how many episodes have we seen this same scenario? From TOS-ENT.

[Geoff D]

The retcon was what it was, salvaging the death of Trip as best they could. I really like the Romular War ENT novels but I've quit the Rise of the Federation ones.

[shinobipopcorn]

Originally Posted by Swissangel4616

who cares? the Studios their focus of Viewer of People who are 20 years old - who never have seen before or heard of Star Trek OST, TNG, DSN, Voyager

I have it on good authority that the people behind a series about an aged Picard 20 years after his prime, starring 78 year old Sir Patrick Stewart, are not targeting the 20 some demographic who have never seen an episode of the Star Trek universe before.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by Swissangel4616

who cares? the Studios their focus of Viewer of People who are 20 years old - who never have seen before or heard of Star Trek OST, TNG, DSN, Voyager

Originally Posted by shinobipopcorn

I have it on good authority that the people behind a series about an aged Picard 20 years after his prime, starring 78 year old Sir Patrick Stewart, are not targeting the 20 some demographic who have never seen an episode of the Star Trek universe before.

———> because #TRUTH!

[thecooldud]

You'd think... but franchise holders have proven themselves to actually be that stupid in recent times, so you can't take anything for granted these days!

[Josep5349]

Originally Posted by thecooldud

You'd think... but franchise holders have proven themselves to actually be that stupid in recent times, so you can't take anything for granted these days!

Such as?

[thecooldud]

All of them.

[Josep5349]

Originally Posted by thecooldud

All of them.

I see. How insightful.

[trevanian]

Man, I wish I had access to these folks. When I pitched at TNG, my best story involved Picard not dealing with things well when a kid dies aboardship. Wrote a Picard/Guinan scene that I liked better than any of the real ones, and even had a good scene for Riker and figured out a way for Troi to be useful and essential to the resolution without T&A. You could use a variation on this as a backstory for old Picard, and reconciling his issue leading to wherever he is at for the duration of the new series.

Was shot down by Jeri Taylor as "Picard wouldn't be bothered by that" though Ron Moore really liked the idea and went to bat for it for several minutes.

[L-Rouge]

Trevanian. don't leave us hangin, have you been credited in series?

[Josep5349]

Originally Posted by trevanian

Man, I wish I had access to these folks. When I pitched at TNG, my best story involved Picard not dealing with things well when a kid dies aboardship. Wrote a Picard/Guinan scene that I liked better than any of the real ones, and even had a good scene for Riker and figured out a way for Troi to be useful and essential to the resolution without T&A. You could use a variation on this as a backstory for old Picard, and reconciling his issue leading to wherever he is at for the duration of the new series.

Was shot down by Jeri Taylor as "Picard wouldn't be bothered by that" though Ron Moore really liked the idea and went to bat for it for several minutes.

Series Picard would been able to deal with it - we saw a hint of this in Contagion when Wesley is struggling with so many deaths after the Enterprise’s sister ship is destroyed, and Picard calmly tells Wesley there will be time to grieve later.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Moore liked it though, and may have even incorporated it into Generations when we see Picard struggle and break down after the death of his nephew.

[badfingerboogie]

Announcing this so early in the development process seems like a pretty goofy move - probably just to appease the stock holders. They don't even have scripts or anything, so the earliest we'll see anything from this is 2020.

For blockbuster films, a wait like that doesn't seem too out of the ordinary, but with a TV series that doesn't really have any form or shape at the moment, it seems a little preemptive.

[trevanian]

Originally Posted by L-Rouge

Trevanian. don't leave us hangin, have you been credited in series?

There are probably some old threads on trekbbs, under kmart or trevanian, that cover the various pitches in some detail.

But the answer is no. Wrote three specs, the third of which (the bottle show, not the really good one) got me invited to pitch, and then right before I was supposed to see Michael Piller, he got called out to deal with some tantrum Roddenberry was having over the proposed s4 ender. So I got shunted to Jeri Taylor's office, and it just didn't go well at all. I went through about ten pitches in 45 minutes with no sale. And it wasn't for lack of confidence, either. I'm the quintessential bad public speaker, like an Albert Brooks character in that way, but that day I went into that with my head on about as straight as it ever has been (though my ankles were bleeding due to new shoes) -- I was really flabbergasted that I didn't sell anything. Some of those premises -- a few were just one page long, others were full treatments -- would probably still work for THE ORVILLE.

I wasn't ever a fan of TNG like TOS or DS9, but I 'got' how it worked, and was at my peak in terms of creativity -- had just gotten a feature script to Silver Pictures that went up a few tiers before getting turned down. I think I was already diabetic, but my HMO didn't test for that -- the doctor I had in Milipitas, CA at Kaiser, who I recall as looking just like the medic in FIGHT CLUB blowing off Edward Norton and telling him to go chew some root, actually told me to go out and buy HOW TO GET CONTROL OF THE TIME IN YOUR LIFE instead of give me this tiny basic test -- so it wasn't until late 1998 that I found out my blood sugar numbers were insane, which might explain why I'd been falling asleep in afternoons since the late 80s, and probably also contributed to my brain not working the way it had previously.

As best I can tell, they DID buy something from somebody that same week or month -- the guy who came up with the premise for the ep where the xmas tree in space returns sold his notion around that time. He wrote a piece in STARLOG about his experience. He mentions how Piller said something to steady him when he got nervous. I still just think I wound up in the wrong office that day.

Moore really did seem like a decent sort (he was the only guy who recognized the name CINEFEX when they asked about my other writing work, and he suggested workarounds for my story that Taylor kept rejecting with the same couple of syllables, until finally he sat back in the cushions and didn't say anything more over the next half-hour), but mainly I remember that day for my bleeding ankles and a couple of scary moments on the flight out of NorCal, which included us being cutoff on the runway by a passing jet and then the door to the cabin falling open during takeoff.

[L-Rouge]

Originally Posted by trevanian

There are probably some old threads on trekbbs, under kmart or trevanian, that cover the various pitches in some detail.

But the answer is no. Wrote three specs, the third of which (the bottle show, not the really good one) got me invited to pitch, and then right before I was supposed to see Michael Piller, he got called out to deal with some tantrum Roddenberry was having over the proposed s4 ender. So I got shunted to Jeri Taylor's office, and it just didn't go well at all. I went through about ten pitches in 45 minutes with no sale. And it wasn't for lack of confidence, either. I'm the quintessential bad public speaker, like an Albert Brooks character in that way, but that day I went into that with my head on about as straight as it ever has been (though my ankles were bleeding due to new shoes) -- I was really flabbergasted that I didn't sell anything. Some of those premises -- a few were just one page long, others were full treatments -- would probably still work for THE ORVILLE.

I wasn't ever a fan of TNG like TOS or DS9, but I 'got' how it worked, and was at my peak in terms of creativity -- had just gotten a feature script to Silver Pictures that went up a few tiers before getting turned down. I think I was already diabetic, but my HMO didn't test for that -- the doctor I had in Milipitas, CA at Kaiser, who I recall as looking just like the medic in FIGHT CLUB blowing off Edward Norton and telling him to go chew some root, actually told me to go out and buy HOW TO GET CONTROL OF THE TIME IN YOUR LIFE instead of give me this tiny basic test -- so it wasn't until late 1998 that I found out my blood sugar numbers were insane, which might explain why I'd been falling asleep in afternoons since the late 80s, and probably also contributed to my brain not working the way it had previously.

As best I can tell, they DID buy something from somebody that same week or month -- the guy who came up with the premise for the ep where the xmas tree in space returns sold his notion around that time. He wrote a piece in STARLOG about his experience. He mentions how Piller said something to steady him when he got nervous. I still just think I wound up in the wrong office that day.

Moore really did seem like a decent sort (he was the only guy who recognized the name CINEFEX when they asked about my other writing work, and he suggested workarounds for my story that Taylor kept rejecting with the same couple of syllables, until finally he sat back in the cushions and didn't say anything more over the next half-hour), but mainly I remember that day for my bleeding ankles and a couple of scary moments on the flight out of NorCal, which included us being cutoff on the runway by a passing jet and then the door to the cabin falling open during takeoff.

Sounds amazing, Trevanian. Thanks for sharing. sounds like you got shut down that day.

Diabetes, yea runs in my family, pure will power to push forth!

cheers for sharing!

[Swissangel4616]

another Show who's only a few thousand People who are rich and getting Access to CBS-Access or Netflix. bah... Im done with Star Trek
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sorry, im cynical and natural Pessimist

[badfingerboogie]

Heck of a story, for sure. It's tales like that that make me less inclined to try and become a screenwriter - it just sounds like an almost impossible feat, really.

You've gotta be really lucky, really rich, really well-connected, or a combination of all the above.

[trevanian]

Don't let anybody else's experience (bad or good) keep you from creating. Even if you think you're the second coming of Ed Wood, that may just be you being self-critical to the Nth degree. I can tell you that while some stuff I was proud of in my 20s is utterly cringe-worthy now, that other material is still damned solid.

Coming out of that disappointing meeting, I still knew I had some talent, based on the previous year or so. I had started selling laserdisc reviews and begun writing for CINEFEX, plus gotten an agent to rep my spec action script (I had cause to doubt the wisdom with the latter, when I found out that, over my objections, she immediately resubmitted it to several places I had already sent it, which can create a scorched-Earth policy for future submissions.)

My Trek opportunity didn't hinge on her involvement, as she didn't rep TV stuff, but because Piller had instituted a policy of considering unsolicited material -- an act that created several successful careers. That was a very rare instance, so I probably wouldn't have gotten the opportunity without that being in place. Awhile after he left TREK, that policy went away, probably for all time.

I'm actually kind of glad to have the time to think about all this again. I might take out my old 'formation of ILM' script and give it another pass and send it around -- it's kind of RKO 281 meets BARBARIANS AT THE GATE, if I have the parlance down right, which makes me think that I need a time machine to send it to HBO circa 1998. There are some historical bits I got when doing a giant article on the first SW vfx, stuff that somehow got left out of the official account in the Rinzler book, plus there's genuine visual appeal to seeing pre-digital filmmaking with giant robot cameras cruising about and getting to blow up lots of stuff, all while the studio and the director are screaming at you to get it done and to get it right. Kevin Smith might be the right guy for this material, assuming he still makes movies.

[L-Rouge]

Originally Posted by Swissangel4616

another Show who's only a few thousand People who are rich and getting Access to CBS-Access or Netflix. bah... Im done with Star Trek
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sorry, im cynical and natural Pessimist

The series will obviously see the light of day on Blu-ray.

But for me Netflix is the cost of 3 coffees spread over 1 month.

In the ol days here down south of the equator 1 episode of the Original Series Star Trek on Betamax was $80

there's 72 episodes.

How much blu-ray do you personally purchase?

[badfingerboogie]

Originally Posted by trevanian

I'm actually kind of glad to have the time to think about all this again. I might take out my old 'formation of ILM' script and give it another pass and send it around -- it's kind of RKO 281 meets BARBARIANS AT THE GATE, if I have the parlance down right, which makes me think that I need a time machine to send it to HBO circa 1998. There are some historical bits I got when doing a giant article on the first SW vfx, stuff that somehow got left out of the official account in the Rinzler book, plus there's genuine visual appeal to seeing pre-digital filmmaking with giant robot cameras cruising about and getting to blow up lots of stuff, all while the studio and the director are screaming at you to get it done and to get it right. Kevin Smith might be the right guy for this material, assuming he still makes movies.

To be honest that sounds pretty darn interesting, and I'd certainly be keen to see it. If a film based on some dude creating Wonder Woman can get made, then I'd say you're well and truly on terra firma - go for it, man!