The bias against Blu-ray has turned into bias against HDM...

[Swede]

Originally Posted by jling84

Don't worry it's just the hardcore HD DVD supporters that are voicing this. They are just a VERY vocal few. For instance if you go onto AVS and read the forums, it's the same 5-10 people posting over and over again.

Exactly

It's pretty sad really, these HD DVD fanboys SHOULD be early adopter HDM enthusiasts, and now that they realize they invested in the wrong format, they supposedly suddenly want HDM to die, and think that upconverted DVD is good enough There's just something wrong with that picture .

You know, I think they are really just mad about investing their money, and especially invested so much of their time trying to cheer on their precious format - and all for nothing. Deep down I think they realize as well as everybody else that the format war is now over, and that they are gonna have to get a blu-ray player to be able to get HD movies in the future, and NO, I really don't buy their sudden "who cares about HDM" story... If they really thought so, they wouldn't have bought into HD DVD right in the middle of a format war to begin with I mean seriously

[true2_blu]

Originally Posted by Septimus Prime

Those guys weren't really HD DVD supporters in the first place. They were just BD/Sony haters who latched onto BD's competitor (and will continue to do so for the the rest of their lives). They're also morons, so I just ignore them.

I feel ya on that one! Well said!

[ResOGlas]

Originally Posted by Septimus Prime

Those guys weren't really HD DVD supporters in the first place. They were just BD/Sony haters who latched onto BD's competitor (and will continue to do so for the the rest of their lives). They're also morons, so I just ignore them.

+2

[Septimus Prime]

I mean, let's all be serious for a moment. Had things gone the other way, most of us would reluctantly buy HD DVD players instead of clamoring for some non-existent new format. It's because we actually care about HDM while they only care about BD/Sony going down in flames, for whatever reason.

[Grisle]

Why hate on Blu-ray...it's so fantastic!

[Teazle]

To DL fans I say:

1) How about you get it going for music first? CD still has 75% market share and that's after what, six or seven years of mp3 DLs? DL fans, take as much time as you feel you need to compete more closely with optical audio disc ...

2) Next get it going for SD short video features, like TV episodes. Nice small file sizes with content meant to look good on small screens like 480i TVs and PMPs. Also nice short running times perfect for watching anywhere. BTW you'll face stiff competition not only from DVD but OTA broadcast and cable. But maybe you can fight this war on two fronts.

3) After that get it going for feature film in SD (if by this point anyone is still watching it).

4) _Now_ we can start to talk about downloads of feature film in high def.

[AllanUSC]

Originally Posted by Septimus Prime

I mean, let's all be serious for a moment. Had things gone the other way, most of us would reluctantly buy HD DVD players instead of clamoring for some non-existent new format. It's because we actually care about HDM while they only care about BD/Sony going down in flames, for whatever reason.

If Blu had lost, I agree that most of us would buy into HD-DVD.

The most nonsensical argument I've seen on the HD-DVD forums is the one that goes something like this:

"Now I think I'll skip HDM altogether and just stick with upconverted SD DVD until the next big thing comes along."

Now, that's what you call sour grapes.

Allan

[danielpwnz]

Originally Posted by Teazle

To DL fans I say:

1) How about you get it going for music first? CD still has 75% market share and that's after what, six or seven years of mp3 DLs? DL fans, take as much time as you feel you need to compete more closely with optical audio disc ...

+1 to that.

[canonbomb1987]

movie dl's are so many years away its not even funny. currently most isp's cut your internet if you use too much bandwidth. i can just imagine what they will say if you had to dl hd movies.
cs rep - "well sir it seems as though we cant provide you internet anymore because you are hogging the bandwidth for the whole city."
customer - "now how am i gonna get my movies?"
cs rep - "use blu-ray disks"

secondly the amount of storage space need would be insane. you have to terabites of space just to hold a descent size collection of movies.

[Pav]

they are just bitter and angry with themselves for backing the wrong horse. had they researched things properly ie sales stats in different parts of the worl not just US they would have realised that things were much more havily stacked in blu ray's favour

[tqlla]

Originally Posted by Septimus Prime

I mean, let's all be serious for a moment. Had things gone the other way, most of us would reluctantly buy HD DVD players instead of clamoring for some non-existent new format. It's because we actually care about HDM while they only care about BD/Sony going down in flames, for whatever reason.

Are you serious? I want HD movies. After the paramount announcement, I went out and bought a $99 HDDVD player.

Looking back, I feel like a fool. Oh well, the point is... BD failed, I wouldnt have much issue buying HDDVD.

[JTK]

Microsoft's people set the tone for the shift from HD-DVD zealotry to anti-HDM/pro digital downloads over a month ago when they threw Toshiba under the bus and all their people, like Amir, started to talk about nothing but digital downloads. All of this happened around the same time the Warner rumors picked up in earnest. There's simply no way that's a coincidence.

From there, you have bitter, angry, and continued irrationality from the hardcore HD-DVD zealots who are seeing their fragile realities crumble before them and they simply can't handle it.

So we're back to a basic 2 year old temper tantrum, which I've literally seen typed out word for word many times, that goes something like this:

"The hell with HDM! I'm going to back to DVD and waiting for digital downloads!"

The obvious undercurrent to this brainless drivel is:

"Since my beloved format isn't going to win then 'if I can't have it my way' no one should have it at all so the hell with HDM."

That's exactly what's out there and you're seeing it subtly from MS people and unsubtly from long time HD-DVD/Toshiba mouthpiece tools like Rob Enderle or any number of long time forum tools that I really don't need to name.

It's pretty disgusting and it easily betrays a fact we've all known since day one: These people aren't real HT or HD enthusiasts.

[calcajun]

High definition is here. There WILL be a high definition disk format. there is no way there won't be. We now know the format will be Blu-Ray.

All the other stuff is usual news sensationalism. They no longer have the Blu-Ray vs Hd-Dud so now they are proclaiming everything else is gonna kill Blu-Ray.

[Teazle]

Originally Posted by calcajun

High definition is here. There WILL be a high definition disk format. there is no way there won't be. We now know the format will be Blu-Ray.

All the other stuff is usual news sensationalism. They no longer have the Blu-Ray vs Hd-Dud so now they are proclaiming everything else is gonna kill Blu-Ray.

Too right.

If I ever have the misfortune to meet one of these DL advocates in person I'm going to ask him directly: What's he downloading tonight? How many 1080p titles does he have stored on his hard drive? (Answers: nothing and not very many.) Whereas the rest of us have shelves of BDs to enjoy.

DL supporters: You cannot watch the prediction of a movie!

[Bizdady]

I'd sure hate to dload gigs and gigs of movies only for hdd to crash. Most place are so strict with DRM and redownloading your stuck without movies if you have a big crash. needless to say If i want to watch a movie I dont want to wait hours for it download. Most cable companies cap bandwith at 6mbs, DSL is even worse with their 1.5mbs-2mbs.

[camper]

Let the Elmers have their downloads, if they want SD quality so bad.

Someone has to buy stuff from the bargain bin at Walmart in order to make room for Blu Ray.

~Camper

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by mov9384ie

anyone else noticing this?

magically we are suddenly hearing lots of news about how hdm won't become mainstream: hdm is too expensive, not enough hdtv in homes, people can't tell difference, upconvert is good enough, downloads are the future, etc, etc

the funny thing is that in all the "news" we're hearing, all the arguments being made, could have equally been made a month ago or a year ago. yet these news sites have decided to make these arguments now that blu-ray is on track to win.

where were these arugments when paramount moved to hd-dvd?

instead of the fud ending and everyone getting along, it feels like we've entered "fud phase 2" because some people won't let go

I agree that this kind of mentality is ridiculous. Speaking as someone who has both formats, I'm glad one is now in the position to win and I hope Blu-Ray flourishes. I don't want HDM to die, and I certainly don't want downloading to be the future of Hi-Def movies. That would be AWEFUL. And Blu-Ray seems to be the format with greater potential, so that's certainly a good thing

Having said all of that, I do have a few points that I'd like to make...

i'm sick of hearing this dumb argument from fanboys: "but hd-dvd still works"

While I can understand where that would get old, esspecially when being presented in addition to the other stupid arguements that the fanboys are using (as you listed above), this last arguement is one that I do kind of agree with.

Again, as someone who has both, I can at least rest assured that my HD-DVD movies will still work for quite some time. That makes the investment into the format not a complete waste. I know that the movies that I have will still work. And I will be fine with buying all of my future Hi-Def movies on Blu-Ray.

Originally Posted by blueblood

Ive been trying to say this for days now. When I visit the other sites, I hear all this bull about HDM isnt going to succeed, Blu is too expensive, and shit like this. It all comes from these dumbass HD boys who just cant let go. I hate this shit. Why cant they just support Blu. Hey, we're early adopters, we all knew the risks, move on and dont let HDM die just cause your stupid ass format died.

I agree, esspecially with that last sentence, which is actually why I do feel the need to bring up a peeve that I've seen on this very website.

Let's face it, HD-DVD is dying, Blu-Ray is winning, and that's the way the cards fell.

However, ANYONE who bought into either format at any point up until now (or at least up until the recent WB announcement) was taking at least some kind of a risk. Yes, as of more recently (prior to the WB decision) there was more going on in favor of Blu-Ray, but HD-DVD wasn't dead, and over the course of the events of this format war, it would have only taken a few neuances to go in another direction for the war to be panning out the other way.

The reason I say this is that while I agree that the reactions from some HD-DVD fanboys as described in this thread are stupid, ridiculous, and another form of "FUD", I've been seeing some FUD from some members of this forum as well.

Most people who are taking a "See? I told you so!" attitude towards what is appearing to be the big win for Blu-Ray, and acting like anyone who bought into HD-DVD at all (regardless of whether or not those people are having a fanboy attitude about it) are complete morons over it. Yeah, they (the people on this site making these "I told you so" comments) picked the right format, and yeah, there were legit reasons to choose Blu-Ray. However, even when getting past all of the "FUD", there were legit reasons for people to pick HD-DVD as well.

And what it boils down to is that anyone who picked one side or the other was taking a risk, and their fate was dependant on how the cards were dealt. It was, at least partially by luck that most people (if not all) who chose Blu-Ray ended up on the winning side. Because if history has shown us anything, it's that the technilogically superior format isn't always the guaranteed winner.

I just think some people need to get off their high horse and stop having a chip on their shoulder over the win. You got lucky, that's what it boils down to. And in that sense, almost all people who like watching movies in their home got lucky since the format with the better potential won out. And that's a good thing. But acting like your super superior to everyone else because of it makes you no better than the FUD spreaders.

So while I agree that fanboy-ish comments from the HD-DVD side are annoying, so are comments like the one's I've described from the Blu-Ray side of things.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Teazle

To DL fans I say:

1) How about you get it going for music first? CD still has 75% market share and that's after what, six or seven years of mp3 DLs? DL fans, take as much time as you feel you need to compete more closely with optical audio disc ...

2) Next get it going for SD short video features, like TV episodes. Nice small file sizes with content meant to look good on small screens like 480i TVs and PMPs. Also nice short running times perfect for watching anywhere. BTW you'll face stiff competition not only from DVD but OTA broadcast and cable. But maybe you can fight this war on two fronts.

3) After that get it going for feature film in SD (if by this point anyone is still watching it).

4) _Now_ we can start to talk about downloads of feature film in high def.

Great post.

The sudden explosion of DL talk is because of the release of Microsoft HD Agenda v2.0. This removes the HD DVD feature that people were starting to reject.

[PeechCobblerPie]

how much were dvd players when they first came out? ...exactly. Now you can pick one up for $20

[jkwest]

Phase hydra!!!!!!