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Old 03-18-2020, 03:48 PM   #81
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Does anyone think this will end up getting released early? Crossing my fingers.
Wouldn't be Surprised if Paramount did it.
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Old 03-20-2020, 09:10 AM   #83
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Does anyone think this will end up getting released early? Crossing my fingers.
If Cinema movies are being pushed back (Black Widow, for example) then home releases should be moved forwards.
I'm desperate to watch Sonic again and see the extras.
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If Cinema movies are being pushed back (Black Widow, for example) then home releases should be moved forwards.
I'm desperate to watch Sonic again and see the extras.
It's not really that simple. Moving up a digital release doesn't take that much physical work or capital. Physical home video releases however, require disc design and authoring, replication companies, ordering of format cases, printing of artwork and inserts, and assembling them all together (and all this is typically done by different companies, at different stages). With the economy slowing down to a crawl, factories that participate in all areas of packaging like this, are not business as usual. This doesn't even account for the freight workers that get this product from the vendors to the businesses looking to sell the product. I love physical, but digital is easier, cheaper, and faster for studios.

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Old 03-20-2020, 11:48 AM   #85
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It's not really that simple. Moving up a digital release doesn't take that much physical work or capital. Physical home video releases however, require disc design and authoring, replication companies, ordering of format cases, printing of artwork and inserts, and assembling them all together (and all this is typically done by different companies, at different stages). With the economy slowing down to a crawl, factories that participate in all areas of packaging like this, are not business as usual. This doesn't even account for the freight workers that get this product from the vendors to the businesses looking to sell the product. I love physical, but digital is easier, cheaper, and faster for studios.
This, all day long. How people don't grasp that moving up a digital release is exponentially easier than moving up a home release is kinda baffling to me.
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This, all day long. How people don't grasp that moving up a digital release is exponentially easier than moving up a home release is kinda baffling to me.
I was actually talking about the digital release. I realize I should have done that in the digital release forum.
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Fair enough dude, but it's still worth stating it again.
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Steelbook art.

I just find something strange about the comic cover.
In the movie, he has green eyes like in the Adventure re-design and blue arms like in the Sonic Boom re-design (which also had green eyes).
But the comic cover makes him look more like Classic Sonic.
It's just a nitpick, though.
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It's not really that simple. Moving up a digital release doesn't take that much physical work or capital. Physical home video releases however, require disc design and authoring, replication companies, ordering of format cases, printing of artwork and inserts, and assembling them all together (and all this is typically done by different companies, at different stages). With the economy slowing down to a crawl, factories that participate in all areas of packaging like this, are not business as usual. This doesn't even account for the freight workers that get this product from the vendors to the businesses looking to sell the product. I love physical, but digital is easier, cheaper, and faster for studios.
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This, all day long. How people don't grasp that moving up a digital release is exponentially easier than moving up a home release is kinda baffling to me.
Well, the manufacturers start making the discs before the film hits theaters. If you think about it, promotional art and posters, toys any merchandise hits store shelves prior to the film being released as well. Sometimes months in advance. Now production of the disc may stretch in to about a month after it hits theaters but it would be unlikely. The 3-4 month wait is more about box office markets, domestic and around the world. Giving the film a fair chance to recoup the investment/budget. Most special features on new films are done and filmed right when the film is in production. That’s why you see on camera interviews with actors dressed in character in some of them. So actually yes, the discs are ready and can come out a month after release to theaters.

I will agree however in the current crisis delivery and priority will not permit the likelihood of discs hitting shelves any sooner.

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So apparently the Digital Release for Sonic The Hedgehog is March 31st.
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Well, the manufacturers start making the discs before the film hits theaters. If you think about it, promotional art and posters, toys any merchandise hits store shelves prior to the film being released as well. Sometimes months in advance. Now production of the disc may stretch in to about a month after it hits theaters but it would be unlikely. The 3-4 month wait is more about box office markets, domestic and around the world. Giving the film a fair chance to recoup the investment/budget. Most special features on new films are done and filmed right when the film is in production. That’s why you see on camera interviews with actors dressed in character in some of them. So actually yes, the discs are ready and can come out a month after release to theaters.

I will agree however in the current crisis delivery and priority will not permit the likelihood of discs hitting shelves any sooner.
Nope. I've said it before myself that the actual transfers, VAM etc are put to bed either during or very shortly after the theatrical release takes place, but they can do that because A) it makes total sense to do things relating to the production, well, during production, and 2) a few people supervising transfers and shooting/editing VAM is in no way comparable to the scale of replicating tens or even hundreds of thousands of units and then distributing them to retailers across the country. The people finishing the movie and the disc replicators are entirely separate entities, they share no personnel and aren't even always based in the same countries. It's an almost endearingly naive viewpoint that you have.

Of course the merch is timed to hit alongside the movie because it's supposed to be (though even then there are exceptions, e.g. Babby Yoda), it's intended to sell off the back of the theatrical release - but why on earth would you produce hundreds of thousands of discs only to sit on them for four or five months taking up warehouse space that you have to pay for? Makes no sense when you can time it so that replication is happening closer to the home video release date than not. It's still happening a good month or two beforehand of course, but happening while the average movie is still in cinemas? Again: nope.

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Nope. I've said it before myself that the actual transfers, VAM etc are put to bed either during or very shortly after the theatrical release takes place, but they can do that because A) it makes total sense to do things relating to the production, well, during production, and 2) a few people supervising transfers and shooting/editing VAM is in no way comparable to the scale of replicating tens or even hundreds of thousands of units and then distributing them to retailers across the country. The people finishing the movie and the disc replicators are entirely separate entities, they share no personnel and aren't even always based in the same countries. It's an almost endearingly naive viewpoint that you have.

Of course the merch is timed to hit alongside the movie because it's supposed to be (though even then there are exceptions, e.g. Babby Yoda), it's intended to sell off the back of the theatrical release - but why on earth would you produce hundreds of thousands of discs only to sit on them for four or five months taking up warehouse space that you have to pay for? Makes no sense when you can time it so that replication is happening closer to the home video release date than not. It's still happening a good month or two beforehand of course, but happening while the average movie is still in cinemas? Again: nope.
So let’s look at a film like Rise of Skywalker. That film was released close to Christmas and here we are just 3 months later and it’s ready to drop on disc. Just taking into account the scale of this release that is one hell of a turnaround time from theater to disc. There’s also talk about Birds of Prey dropping to disc in April, that’s only 2 months, but no official word on the actual release yet. So my question is if all the disc replication is happening after the theater release. How is it ready so soon. You guys have already acknowledged what a massive undertaking the process is. So in a mere 2 months they produce cover art, cases, steel books, collectors editions and replicate all the discs and then ship them to all the retailers that will sell them? Nope, that’s just not realistic.

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So let’s look at a film like Rise of Skywalker. That film was released close to Christmas and here we are just 3 months later and it’s ready to drop on disc. Just taking into account the scale of this release that is one hell of a turnaround time from theater to disc. There’s also talk about Birds of Prey dropping to disc in April, that’s only 2 months, but no official word on the actual release yet. So my question is if all the disc replication is happening after the theater release. How is it ready so soon. You guys have already acknowledged what a massive undertaking the process is. So in a mere 2 months they produce cover art, cases, steel books, collectors editions and replicate all the discs and then ship them to all the retailers that will sell them? Nope, that’s just not realistic.
Of course it's realistic, some replication lines are designed to pump out a hundred thousand units PER DAY. Practically everything you're mentioning there can be designed beforehand and implemented nearer the time, just like how all that other stuff you mentioned takes place during the actual making of the movie. But design doesn't mean manufacture.

I used to review discs and I'd get pre-production copies all the time with the date of manufacture on them, many were done a month before release while the earliest test pressing I ever saw was two months out and so 1-2 months prior is generally the window that these things operate in all year round. Can the likes of Disnee make sure that a movie like TROS is ready to rumble just three months from cinema to home? Sure they can BECAUSE THEY PLANNED IT BEFOREHAND, but that's why I made the qualifier of the average movie not being able to do this in a previous post. I'm not saying it's done the night before either, in case that's why you're confused, as sealed retail stock usually becomes available about two weeks before release, this is to give them enough lead time to get everything to the retailers.

So while they could potentially get these things out there a few weeks before the actual release date they simply cannot do what people want with something like Sonic and have the disc be available like now, because it doesn't exist yet. Discs aren't made on an ad hoc basis so everyone has to get in line. And when they do have to create ad hoc discs e.g. when studios and labels have to issue replacements due to errors they take several weeks to turn around because they can't just stop whatever's being replicated at the time.

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It's funny that anyone would think they pressed discs before the movie is out. If that were the case we would have many more bombs on 4K disc instead of all those cancellations.
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Yeah, studios wouldn't cancel if they already had the discs up and ready.
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I really don’t wanna start buying VOD, I’d rather support physical media. I can still see movies like Bad Boys, Birds of Prey, The Gentlemen & Sonic getting a physical media release still. The newer titles I am not so sure of like Invisible Man, Bloodshot, Onward, etc will get a physical release.
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It's funny that anyone would think they pressed discs before the movie is out. If that were the case we would have many more bombs on 4K disc instead of all those cancellations.
Great point. I guess they just bury all those discs in the desert next to the ET cartridges
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So apparently the Digital Release for Sonic The Hedgehog is March 31st.
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