Will you still buy Disney digital films?

[avs commenter]

Losing billions in revenue is a concern whether the is said publicly or not

[avs commenter]

Keep freeloading if you don’t feel bad I guess. But it will eventually be much harder to do so

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

Losing billions in revenue is a concern whether the is said publicly or not

Apparently, they see it as a marketing expense.

"They’ve said very specifically that it helps drives subscriptions over time. How well does that work? Only Netflix knows,” said Frost & Sullivan analyst Dan Rayburn."

That quote is from the link that you provided most recently.

Netflix's CEO publicly encourages account sharing; that has not changed. He has not retracted his comment.

Clearly, account sharing is not illegal and it is not piracy. If it were then Netflix's CEO is guilty of advocating piracy against his own company.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

Keep freeloading if you don’t feel bad I guess. But it will eventually be much harder to do so

I don't care what you call account sharing; I have the permission of Netflix's CEO himself. Netflix has allowed this practice for 13 years and counting. None of us need your blessing to share accounts; Netflix openly and publicly encourages it.

When are you going to accuse those librarians that lend discs of piracy? They enable free viewing of copyrighted content to anyone with a library card. Please tell us all about their moral shortcomings, too.

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I don't care what you call account sharing; I have the permission of Netflix's CEO himself. Netflix has allowed this practice for 13 years and counting. None of us need your blessing to share accounts; Netflix openly and publicly encourages it.

When are you going to accuse those librarians that lend discs of piracy? They enable free viewing of copyrighted content to anyone with a library card. Please tell us all about their moral shortcomings, too.

It’s fine at a library because discs are worthless

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

It’s fine at a library because discs are worthless

That's how I feel about subscription streaming, so not only do I have the CEO of Netflix's permission to use shared accounts I can also apply your example to anything that I deem to be without value:

I deem streaming to be worthless, thus I need not pay for it when I use it. Works for me.

[avs commenter]

I don’t believe you. You are arguing about streaming in the digital forum.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

It’s fine at a library because discs are worthless

?

I guess that's a joke... I don't get it.

My library is awesome, They buy Blu and break them up so that the DVDs are also available and they have 2 streaming services, Kanopy and Hoopla.

Anyways... I have 2 users Netflix credentials and I don't use either one. My experience with Netflix is there's a ton of original content that's all sub par and I can't find anything good to watch.

I do have Season 2 of Stranger Things coming on UHD BD and recently enjoyed Season 1.

-Brian

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

I don’t believe you. You are arguing about streaming in the digital forum.

I value it only as a free service worthy of some of my free time, but not of my money, not a solitary cent. This is the same as how I see basic youtube. Reed Hasting's is fine with my using shared Netflix accounts at no cost and if it's okay with him, it is doubly okay with me.

[avs commenter]

Cool. Still don’t believe you. Now if you excuse me I’m going to go watch some paid for content

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

Cool. Still don’t believe you. Now if you excuse me I’m going to go watch some paid for content

I will later, but via something of real value: blu-rays.

I pay exactly what I find subscription streaming to be worth: nothing. It is worth some of my time, but none of my money, the same as with youtube.

I will toast Reed Hastings tonight for giving me his blessing to watch Netflix with a shared account paid for by someone else. It is paid for, just not by me.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by squatting hen

I think if I didn’t already own so many Disney titles already I would enjoy Disney + more. Maybe. I jumped on the 3 year subscription for $150 or so, but we never use it. So far for our family it has been a bust. I think we have maybe watched 3 movies on it so far. If I could do it over again, I wouldn’t have signed up. I know I am in the minority here.

The new content is cool. No, I wouldn't spend $150 on Togo, but Togo, the Jeff Goldblum series, the Imagnineer series, The Mandalorion, the conclusion of the Clone Wars series, some deep cuts in the Disney back catalog like Candleshoe, the Agent Carter series, uncut Melody Time, sure. That's worth the $150 I dropped. Crazy cheap, actually.

[Fiffy]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Thankfully, account sharing is permitted by all of these services your opinion notwithstanding.

Here's what's Netflix's terms actually say:

"4.2. The Netflix service and any content viewed through our service are for your personal and non-commercial use only and may not be shared with individuals beyond your household. "

Yep, you are a freeloader and are harming the industry. Congratulations.

[bhampton]

What's the purpose of several users on the account if you aren't supposed to share it, .... I don't understand. Seems like the rules for sharing are confusing.

With Apple it's simple ... Whatever I subscribe to all my family has it. My family could be made up of friends if I wanted to but in my case it is family ... Either way, the system is designed for sharing.

So is Disney+, we are still talking about Disney here right? or Netflix?...

Either way ... Yes, I'm buying every Disney UHD BD I can. I prefer to own them than to rent them. It's just how it is.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Fiffy

Here's what's Netflix's terms actually say:

"4.2. The Netflix service and any content viewed through our service are for your personal and non-commercial use only and may not be shared with individuals beyond your household. "

Yep, you are a freeloader and are harming the industry. Congratulations.

There is no citation backing your quote. You have no idea with whom I am sharing accounts and "household" is not even defined in what you have posted.

I care what the CEO of Netflix said on the matter and I do not care at all what you think about my usage of shared accounts. Netflix has allowed account sharing for 13 years and counting. Most streaming services allow for the sharing of accounts; I am just one of millions that do so and in the case of Netflix with the blessing of their CEO.

https://www.cnet.com/news/netflix-is...-your-account/

I spend more on paid content in the form of discs in a single month than many streaming customers spend on streaming in an entire year. I support the film industry to the tune of $400-$500 in an average month and this month I bought 70 titles on disc spending nearly $1000. I will compare my expenditures for paid content and my support of the film industry with that of anyone.

[Vilya]

I redeem the digital codes that come with my discs and I noticed on the code sheets that they specifically say that the codes "may be redeemed only by the recipient of this package. Code may not be transferred or sold separately from this package." See image attached at the end of this post.

Yet, on this very website many of our forum members traffic in the trading, selling and even the giving away of these codes. All of these people are in violation of the terms governing the usage of these codes. The film industry makes no money of off any of these prohibited transactions.

We have two self-righteous members here criticizing the sharing of streaming accounts, yet they both have trading scores posted beneath their avatars meaning that they trade and traffic in digital codes in violation of the terms governing those codes. Their transactions in no way benefit the film industry and the terms of usage clearly prohibit their actions. They do not care and they traffic in digital codes, anyway.

You can click on their trade scores and read their transaction feedback such as this one: "Received a free code in a free code thread!" It must a higher calling to enable freeloading by giving away digital codes; exactly how did the film industry benefit here?

Here's another transaction comment: "Quick payment. Thanks for the easy Code transaction." It wasn't the movie studio that got paid here.

They are, to put it plainly, hypocrites. Don't preach what you don't practice yourself. They completely ignore the terms of usage whenever it suits them, yet they have the audacity to accuse others.

DigitalCodeSheet.jpg

[avs commenter]

Apples and oranges. I’ve paid for my all digital codes btw. I consider password sharing to be much bigger deal considering the endless hours of content available rather than one film that’s already been paid for. Again, my opinion. You say you don’t care about that but you keep arguing about it so it’s easy to see you do.

[Fiffy]

Originally Posted by bhampton

What's the purpose of several users on the account if you aren't supposed to share it, .... I don't understand. Seems like the rules for sharing are confusing.

To enable multiple members of the household to stream on multiple devices within the household. Nothing confusing about it.

With Apple it's simple ... Whatever I subscribe to all my family has it. My family could be made up of friends if I wanted to but in my case it is family ... Either way, the system is designed for sharing.

Family sharing is for families, not for "friends". Nothing confusing here either.

[Fiffy]

Originally Posted by Vilya

There is no citation backing your quote.

https://help.netflix.com/legal/termsofuse

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

Apples and oranges. I’ve paid for my all digital codes btw. I consider password sharing to be much bigger deal considering the endless hours of content available rather than one film that’s already been paid for. Again, my opinion. You say you don’t care about that but you keep arguing about it so it’s easy to see you do.

I paid for all of my digital codes, too, and with the exception of one transaction the money went to the studios as it is supposed to happen.

You are violating the studio's terms of usage no matter how you choose to rationalize it making you a complete hypocrite. The studios make not one cent from any of your digital code transactions. You do not get to create your own terms just because you dislike the ones stated. The First Sales Doctrine does not apply to digital codes; you do not have a legal right to buy, sell, or transfer these codes.

How frequently you violate the terms of service is no justification for doing so, either. I have not streamed anything off of Netflix in over two months, so my usage of shared accounts is infrequent at best; that should make it more palatable with your way of rationalization.

What I care about is primarily the hypocrisy from the two of you. You both violate the terms of usage governing digital codes, but you have decided that's okay because it benefits you. You both violate the terms wherever and whenever it suits you, but you both then criticize others when you feel that they are doing the same.