Star Trek: Picard - Seasons

[ElectricPeterTork]

Originally Posted by shinobipopcorn

Is this worth a blind buy? Budget is a little tight since I already spent my tax refund that hasn't arrived yet but I can order it if the show is good. TNG was sort of my favorite of the group.

Not really.

Maybe if you wait until it's severely discounted. It won't make the show any better, but you'll feel less ripped off. But at the current price? Hell no.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by shinobipopcorn

Is this worth a blind buy? Budget is a little tight since I already spent my tax refund that hasn't arrived yet but I can order it if the show is good. TNG was sort of my favorite of the group.

Unlike some people I enjoyed the show - however you can't expect it to be TNG continued. It's a modern take on TREK. Reactions remind me of the folks who expected TNG to be TOS.

[obriensg1]

I too enjoyed it. It can be a little slow, but it's a giant story arc so it may work better binging it. I felt like Patrick Stewart was as phenomenal as ever and brought some new aspects to his character. It's twenty years later. Not only is he not static, he straight up reflects on his past and has friends who tell him he be going about things the wrong way. As with many first seasons, some aspects are rocky or undeveloped but overall, I recommend. Still, I think $45-50 for a ten episode season is outrageous

[Lionel Horsepackage]

Originally Posted by obriensg1

I too enjoyed it. It can be a little slow, but it's a giant story arc so it may work better binging it. I felt like Patrick Stewart was as phenomenal as ever and brought some new aspects to his character. It's twenty years later. Not only is he not static, he straight up reflects on his past and has friends who tell him he be going about things the wrong way. As with many first seasons, some aspects are rocky or undeveloped but overall, I recommend. Still, I think $45-50 for a ten episode season is outrageous

It should be around $35 on release-day, the same as other recent full-season CBS Trek BD sets.

[Darby1985]

Originally Posted by shinobipopcorn

Is this worth a blind buy? Budget is a little tight since I already spent my tax refund that hasn't arrived yet but I can order it if the show is good. TNG was sort of my favorite of the group.

I've found the more you like TNG, the less you'll like Picard. The optimism, the joy of discovering the unknown...none of that is here. Every character who returns has had a miserable, terrible life since we last saw them which is not exactly the Trek I like.

There's a place for dark Trek but this was a very facile way of making the show "dark", ill-conceived plots, dull new characters and a total lack of Trek feel. You could change names and never know this was TNG related or even Trek at all.

Though some fans who didn't care for a lot of older Trek did quite like it, the show was less popular than Discovery which probably tells you all you need to know.

[RickWJ324]

Originally Posted by shinobipopcorn

Is this worth a blind buy? Budget is a little tight since I already spent my tax refund that hasn't arrived yet but I can order it if the show is good. TNG was sort of my favorite of the group.

Taste is subjective. If I were to give you my personal opinion then I would say absolutely not! I am a hardcore Star Trek fan and have been my whole life. Grew up on TOS re-runs in the 70's. I've loved nearly every show and movie that has come since then. I own every dvd and blu-ray release. I watched Discovery Season 1 and decided not to watch the second season. It was a beautifully shot show but I didn't like the characters or the stories told. When I saw they were doing a PICARD show I was ecstatic. I have always liked Stewart as an actor and I loved the TNG crew, the stories they told, etc. As a fan of that show and of that character I have to say that the new show is not for me. I will skip all of the "agenda pushing" and political stuff that exists in this show (I have no desire to debate this with anyone). The worst thing about the show is the story writing. I find it to be tediously boring, plotholes galore, and unlikeable characters.

Sorry, I know this was long-winded...let me summarize it by saying...I'm a huge fan of ST but I stopped watching this show less than halfway through the season. I will not watch any more of it. My video rack that contains a HUGE Star Trek collection will never have Discovery, Picard, or Lower Deck added to it.

IF you do happen to watch it, please let us know what you think. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I'm glad that others find enjoyment from it.

[Gacivory]

I always laugh at people whining and crying about political stuff in the new shows and not complaining about political stuff in the old shows. I’m not interested in debate and won’t be taking questions at this time. You may send your letters to my P.O. Box.)

[ElectricPeterTork]

Originally Posted by Gacivory

I always laugh at people whining and crying about political stuff in the new shows and not complaining about political stuff in the old shows. I’m not interested in debate and won’t be taking questions at this time. You may send you letters to my P.O. Box.)

Politics and issues in Star Trek?





Nah. Never happened.

[Lionel Horsepackage]

Originally Posted by Darby1985

I've found the more you like TNG, the less you'll like Picard. The optimism, the joy of discovering the unknown...none of that is here. Every character who returns has had a miserable, terrible life since we last saw them which is not exactly the Trek I like.

Riker and Troi were leading a "miserable, terrible life" when we see them? Sure, they lost their first son, but they were quite happy overall living out on their verdant forest-home with their daughter. Also, while Picard himself resigned from Starfleet (and while running the family winery was never his first choice of career), I'd hardly describe his daily life on the family estate as "dark" and "miserable."

And Raffi's misery is entirely self-inflicted, as a penance for her misperceived shortcomings in failing to stop the synth-revolt on Mars. She could've led a much happier life afterwards if she'd simply chosen to do so, which is the lesson she finally learns at the season's end.

Originally Posted by Darby1985

There's a place for dark Trek but this was a very facile way of making the show "dark", ill-conceived plots, dull new characters and a total lack of Trek feel. You could change names and never know this was TNG related or even Trek at all.

Jean-Luc-Picard, "dull"? Capt. Rios, "dull"? Rios's seven EMH holograms, "dull"? Laris and Zhaban, "dull"? Even Raffi had her great moments. And Hugh was simply a joyous revelation on this show. While I'll agree that a couple of characters (namely Narek and his sister) grew a little one-note at the very end, it's still a great sign when a series introduces completely-new characters into a show designed for an old favorite, and we're saddened that they don't have a BIGGER part.

Picard and his Romulan housemates just running a vineyard would be a show I'd totally enjoy. "...What's that, Number One? A synthetic is stuck in the well?! Show us, boy!!"

Originally Posted by Darby1985

Though some fans who didn't care for a lot of older Trek did quite like it, the show was less popular than Discovery which probably tells you all you need to know.

Huh? Where are you getting this data from?

I think some people are coming to this exactly as Patrick Stewart and the showrunners advised against coming into this, that is, expecting TNG Season 8. This was never meant to be that, and I don't believe it's a useful exercise to judge the show on how well it hits targets it's not even trying to hit.

They're taking ten episodes to tell a story that previously would have been told in one episode, or maybe several episodes or a movie. That by definition means that we're going to spend more time with the characters, and that plot-points will be dispersed at a slower rate. The plot is important here, but character is also playing a much more vital role here than it ever has on Trek before. This isn't just a show about stuff that happens. This is also a show about an older man in crisis, feeling that his life's work didn't amount to anything, at last wanting to right a major wrong from his past.

When we last left the Federation in the 24th Century, things were not going well. Old alliances were falling apart. The Dominion War ate away at the Federation's soul. The UFP was already engaging in morally-dubious acts, and Jean-Luc Picard was already becoming disillusioned, and had already threatened to quit onscreen once before when Starfleet showed itself as willing to put selfish interest above long-standing principle. (Remember Star Trek: Insurrection, anyone?)

Star Trek: Picard honors all of those shows and films that came before by not ignoring the creeping sense of amorality and disillusion that was starting to bubble up below the surface when the Berman-era Trek finished its run on screens big and small. It's not a leap to imagine that they'd push Picard's buttons again. It's not a leap to imagine that he'd threaten to quit again in the hope of nudging them back on the path of righteousness. It's not a leap to imagine Starfleet deciding not to be held hostage in their decisionmaking-process by one officer, and accepting his resignation. And it's not a leap for me to imagine Picard not being able to anticipate that, or knowing how to react to it.

The trailer for the first season included a voiceover line asking, "Have you ever been a stranger to yourself?" That's the story. The plot is the Borg and Romulan-stuff. The story is that Jean-Luc Picard has been hiding from himself, and is finally ready to wake up.

[Mooch360]

Originally Posted by shinobipopcorn

Is this worth a blind buy? Budget is a little tight since I already spent my tax refund that hasn't arrived yet but I can order it if the show is good. TNG was sort of my favorite of the group.

It's my favourite Trek since DS9 ended, although that is not a high bar to clear.

[Rixx]

Well they were clearly far more subtle with the politics and issues back in the day, that message obviously went over everybodys head.

Originally Posted by ElectricPeterTork

Politics and issues in Star Trek?





Nah. Never happened.

[Rick Grimes]

Originally Posted by Rixx

Well they were clearly far more subtle with the politics and issues back in the day, that message obviously went over everybodys head.

Saying that the Original Star Trek wasn’t “political” is like saying that The Twilight Zone wasn’t either.

[Rixx]

Originally Posted by BluVinyl

I hope you were joking because, not really. The politics in TOS were one of the things I liked about it. New Trek (e.g., Discovery, Picard) is less political. Just fans of the old Trek are getting stodgier. I am 57 so just my opinion as another old guy watching my friends.
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Yes, thats why I put at the end of my sentence.

[oddbox83]

Are the people who hate this for being too dark and not "Star Trek" also haters of DS9? DS9 introduced arguably 3 wars, albeit all fed by the same core threat. The Klingon-Cardassian war then later the Federation-Klingon open hostilities before the biggie Dominion War which dragged in all the superpowers of the Alpha, Beta and Gamma Quadrants we are aware of.

Because what happens on DS9 also also the Prime universe part of the 2009 film (which has led to an incredibly fractured Alpha Quadrant, 2 major powers have fallen in the past 25 years even if we only see 1 in the show the implication is still there with heavy recent losses for the surviving major powers) all have direct influence here. Also the two massive Borg attacks in the later half of the 24th century. In addition to what has been set-up specifically for this show (the synth attack on Mars).

So even before you bring in Starfleet being infiltrated at very high level, the Federation and Starfleet of the last part of the 24th Century isn't the same flourishing utopia from earlier in the 24th Century where we rejoined the canon with TNG.

The federation being infiltrated isn't new either. It's happened twice already we know of, the Conspiracy aliens and the Dominion, as well as the attempted coup which suggests things were beginning to strain even as early as DS9.

The story of season 1 isn't about this darkness. It's about the fight to uphold the principles of old. The season ends with a part success on that score, and also hints that Starfleet is rebuilding (say what you like about the cut and paste fleet, for plot purposes it still shows a Starfleet on the comeback).

My whole point is the Star Trek universe isn't always a perfect utopia. The point is, the aim to better ourselves. Picard carries that tradition on.

[mikesncc1701]

It was ok. To me the most bothersome things were how anticlimactic it was, and it literally blew one of the biggest opportunities out of the airlock with

[Show spoiler]Seven taking control of the collective. I was so hyped up at what they could have potentially done with that. Not only could it have been a bad ass episode with the baddies trying to outwit the Borg and escape the cube, but numerous future storylines.

The fact that was over and done with as soon as it started brought it down multiple levels to me.

[popeflick]

It was way too talky for me. It was a writers show for writers and it seemed like they were showing her clever they could be to each other with in jokes no one got. Even their apparent crowning achievement with the versions of Rios talking to himself took a bit when Westworld aired the same scene but done even better and likely put to paper well before Picards left me wondering as well.

[McCrutchy]

FYI: Amazon.com's listing for the SteelBook lists it as having three discs (the standard listing still says one disc).

[Moe UK]

Any word on a UK release yet? With this hitting in October we don't even have a pre-order option yet. Also I seem to recall that the Steelbook would have additional extras, is that still the case as I can't seem to find that in any of the press releases.

[LeftHandedGuitarist]

Originally Posted by Moe UK

Any word on a UK release yet? With this hitting in October we don't even have a pre-order option yet. Also I seem to recall that the Steelbook would have additional extras, is that still the case as I can't seem to find that in any of the press releases.

It looks like the extras will be the same across both standard blu-ray and the steelbook, at least according to the image of the back cover on here.
I'm also worried that there's still no release announcement for outside the US yet, though.

[Moe UK]

Originally Posted by LeftHandedGuitarist

It looks like the extras will be the same across both standard blu-ray and the steelbook, at least according to the image of the back cover on here.
I'm also worried that there's still no release announcement for outside the US yet, though.

I know the minute I order from WoW it will get announced here. It's very strange we have not had a UK announcement yet.