Aspect Ratio Issue on my New System

[PUsokrJosh305]

Originally Posted by pferreira

It is preference I know. I just wish I was given the option.

Really? You mean it'll ruin my TV?

Already set to that. Problem is the settings can't be changed when a disc is inserted. Options are greyed out.

We've established I've been watching things wrong for years, doesn't mean the way I'm supposed to be watching things looks nice. Films are supposed to look cinematic and not sure watching 2:35:1 artificially stretched like that is nice to look at. As for switching to Movie Mode no way, it looks awful. My picture looks yellow, you can't see any colour vibrancy. I'm not sure how that's great picture quality.

Pretty certain 2:35:1 is letterbox mate, Back to the Future is 1:85:1 and that has bars on the top and bottom like Clue.

Well for us idiots out there maybe we know all this but we prefer the 'incorrect' settings. Being elitist about how everybody should watch movies is fine to an extent but people see like to feel comfortable how they're watching stuff. I mean Chip is asking me to put Movie Mode on which gives me a yellow picture. How's that taking advantage of my discs???

You maybe forgot I was able to recreate my 'correct' picture settings on my parents player. My main issue was Panasonic not providing a 4:3 option.

Yeah I know. I meant Panasonic player firmware update, not Samsung. 1080p players obviously had the 4:3 setting.

I understand that you prefer that, but it's not the right way of viewing a movie or TV show anymore, especially on a 16:9 UHD Screen. The reasons why Panasonic got rid of that option is that there aren't any CRT Tube Televisions out there on the market and UHD players do not have the Composite (Yellow, Red, White) Ports on them. They put the option on the blu-ray players for people to enjoy and view blu-ray movies on their CRT TVs (4:3 aspect ratio) properly until they eventually upgraded to a 16:9 HD TV and then change the settings to 16:9 to view movies properly on that screen.

Heck, I remember even getting a Composite cable with my old Panasonic Blu-ray player. Now that most people have upgraded their TVs, it's pointless to keep those ports and options on newer players. Panasonic will not provide this option, even with a firmware update because of the reasons above.

As to the Dynamic Picture Mode, yes over time it will ruin your TV. When picture modes like Vivid and Dynamic are being used, the picture settings are being put extremely high. This requires a lot of energy output from the TV. Much like a human, the longer someone outputs high amounts of energy, the weaker the person becomes. This is the same for TVs. That's why Standard or Movie Mode is recommended.

Again, I know the way you view your movies is a preference, but it's not an option anymore. The best thing you can do is get used to watching movies and TV shows properly. Overtime, you will get used to it and feel very happy about it. Instead of squished faces, you will get pure unaltered movies that will look stunning because the way you had it, you were hindering the true quality of what the films looked like.

[chip75]

Back to the Future 1.85:1



Back to the Future 1.85:1 (incorrectly displayed)



Do or Die 16:9



Do or Die 16:9 (incorrectly displayed)



The Perils of Gwendoline 2.35:1



The Perils of Gwendoline 2.35:1 (incorrectly displayed)



See No Evil, Hear No Evil 1.33:1



See No Evil, Hear No Evil 1.33:1 Stretched to 16:9 (incorrectly displayed)



Star Trek: The Next Generation 1.33:1



Star Trek: The Next Generation 1.33:1 Windowboxed (incorrectly displayed)



Star Trek: The Next Generation 1.33:1 Windowboxed (correct geometry)



2.40:1 Image



2:40:1 (incorrectly displayed)

[chip75]

Originally Posted by pferreira

We've established I've been watching things wrong for years, doesn't mean the way I'm supposed to be watching things looks nice. Films are supposed to look cinematic and not sure watching 2:35:1 artificially stretched like that is nice to look at. As for switching to Movie Mode no way, it looks awful. My picture looks yellow, you can't see any colour vibrancy. I'm not sure how that's great picture quality.

Well for us idiots out there maybe we know all this but we prefer the 'incorrect' settings. Being elitist about how everybody should watch movies is fine to an extent but people see like to feel comfortable how they're watching stuff. I mean Chip is asking me to put Movie Mode on which gives me a yellow picture. How's that taking advantage of my discs???

They may look nice, but they're wrong. Ask yourself should objects be distorted or accurately displayed. You're distorting everything.

Movie Mode doesn't make the picture yellow, it with Warm 2 get closest to the industry white point standard of 6,500 Kelvins. All our content is mastered to such standards, when you're in Dynamic Mode, you're actually seeing artificially created brightness, as everything is pushed to the cooler colour temperatures. Your brain likes it, but it's wrong, some people literally have to force themselves off it as they crave the cooler temperature. I guarantee if you switch to Movie Mode and Warm2 and leave it for a few weeks your brain will adjust and if you do try Dynamic/Cool settings it will look far too blue (and it will look awful).

You want to take advantage of the creator's intent, they've mastered the discs to set standards and you're presenting them as inaccurately as possible with your current settings, Movie Mode/Warm2 will take advantage of them to fullest extent short of professional calibration.

Yes, films should look cinematic, but not distorted, objects and people for the most part should appear lifelike and not stretched or squished.

[Barry_NJ]

This has to be a troll posing...

[pferreira]

Originally Posted by Barry_NJ

This has to be a troll posing...

Okay so to summarise from the comments:

- If you guys are telling me I've been watching things incorrectly in terms of the picture size I believed you the first time. I'm not trying to be proven right as Geoff feels. My question was in regards to wanting it back how I used to have it but as pointed out by PUsokrJosh305 it's just something I will have to get used to.

- Dynamic will actually kill my TV over time so better choose Standard. Even though setting my picture to Movie Mode mutes my colours and yellows the picture that option is preferable as colour saturation is overrated and I'll just get used to yellow over time.

- Even though I'm well aware of what aspect ratios look like because I'm not aware that the video output will not stay the same for aspect ratios from 16:9 settings to 4:3 I'm automatically an idiot normie who apparently likes to turn all my settings up to 11.

- Apparently this whole thread was created by a troll, according to Barry who's basement looks like a fan recreated set of an AVGN video. Yep I spent three hours organising examples to use, taking pictures of the examples on both players at similar timestamps to get a viewable comparison but also transferred and renamed my files while resizing them all to upload just because I have too much time on my hands. I mean...what was Barry thinking!

- No one is talking about how in my second Street Hawk pic is displaying the matting and the player made bars. This seems more noticeable here than on Doctor Who discs I've watched.

Originally Posted by chip75

They may look nice, but they're wrong. Ask yourself should objects be distorted or accurately displayed. You're distorting everything.

I can agree with you on this but no way does Movie Mode bring out the colour vibrancy. Colours look muted and you just get a gold look to the whole thing. It ruins the viewing experience. I agree about Dynamic Mode, unless the brightness is turned down it's a little too artificially bright. I'll switch to Standard.

Curiously when watching in 4:3 on my 16:9 TV it was never noticeably squished. Is it possible my player did something my parents player didn't to adjust for the stretching or tightening of the picture?

On a side note I loaded up a comparison between the picture quality for Home Alone in 1080p and 4K version while the 1080p one looked great on my computer monitor the 4K comparison was heavily desaturated in colour even if it showed more detail. If this is the same 4K release that was just reviewed some weeks ago on this website I wonder why the reviewer didn't pick up on this? It's quite noticeable when comparing.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by pferreira

On a side note I loaded up a comparison between the picture quality for Home Alone in 1080p and 4K version while the 1080p one looked great on my computer monitor the 4K comparison was heavily desaturated in colour even if it showed more detail. If this is the same 4K release that was just reviewed some weeks ago on this website I wonder why the reviewer didn't pick up on this? It's quite noticeable when comparing.

Not sure what image you're referring to, but HDR screenshots can come in raw forms so you're seeing the image without any tonemapping, if they're converted to SDR (caps-a-holic do this to 150 nits), they look more vibrant, but you lose the benefits of HDR and the wider colour gamut.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by pferreira

- No one is talking about how in my second Street Hawk pic is displaying the matting and the player made bars. This seems more noticeable here than on Doctor Who discs I've watched.

I couldn't quite see the sides of the TV to give an accurate opinion, but it looked okay if a little tighter than 1.33:1. What were the picture settings? 4:3 or 16:9?

[TXMoviebuff77]

You’re wasting your time with this guy folks. He’s been posting the same questions in various live chats on YouTube & everyone has been explaining the exact same things mentioned on here. First it was the cable, now it’s aspect ratio & yes you do deserve all the criticism Mr P Ferreira. Next he’ll start playing the victim because of his condition.

[Geoff D]

He has a "condition"? Suddenly things make so much more sense.

[Waboman]

Just Dropped In (To See What Condition My Condition Was In) - YouTube

[PUsokrJosh305]

I think pferreira finally gets what we are talking about. It just took us a bit to figure out what was going on and why he was preferring his older way of watching movies (which is the wrong way) vs. what is the right way. Once he showed us the pictures, it all made sense. He now understands and I believe his issues with this is solved.

This website is the place to ask questions and get answers. At least, that's how it's always been for me. I've been on here for over 10 years and have learned so much. And I'm happy to help pferreira out and I hope he comes back to ask more questions if needed be. Everyone starts out as a novice but the more help the get, the more knowledgeable they become.

[pferreira]

Originally Posted by PUsokrJosh305

This website is the place to ask questions and get answers. At least, that's how it's always been for me. I've been on here for over 10 years and have learned so much. And I'm happy to help pferreira out and I hope he comes back to ask more questions if needed be. Everyone starts out as a novice but the more help the get, the more knowledgeable they become.

Thank you for being understanding. I have to admit everyone's superiority here sort of turned me away from coming to this website and watching stuff via my player. TXMoviebuff77 is someone I know from YouTube and he's apologised for being rude here as it's not his place to tell everyone I have a learning disability. Everything is cool with us now and reassured I am now watching films and TV the way it's supposed to be (Geoff you're still an idiot ) although it will take some getting used to since I'm used to watching things via a 4:3 video output.

Now I've come across a new issue I wonder if you guys could help me with concerning my Doctor Who blu-ray sets. Recently got Season 24 of Doctor Who and noticed something weird. The episodes play fine but a lot of the extras don't. New extra features done for blu-ray like Behind the Sofa all play fine but when I try and play an archive extra, maybe an extra from the original DVD release or something in 4:3 I still hear audio but get a blank screen. Remember I'm using a Panasonic UB-450 4K Player. Curious to know what has caused this? I obviously want to play all the extras. At first I thought it was a disc error but then I tried Season 12 and I get the same issues so it's definitely my player. Maybe it has trouble alternating between SD and HD content?

Below is my player settings. Would like to note Image 4 was taken while I was playing one of the older SD extras to show you the problem. Please let me know what I need to change to stop this issue:

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[pferreira]

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Any ideas what's causing this?

[Panson]

Originally Posted by pferreira

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Any ideas what's causing this?

For 4K (50p/60p) Output, try changing from 4:4:4 to 4:2:0

Good luck.

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by Panson

For 4K (50p/60p) Output, try changing from 4:4:4 to 4:2:0

Good luck.

I'd go for 4:2:2 just to let the Panny do part of it's chroma upsampling.

No real need for 4:4:4 output since it's overkill and can cause issues like this due to cable bandwidth.

Fingers crossed this is the issue.

[pferreira]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

No real need for 4:4:4 output since it's overkill and can cause issues like this due to cable bandwidth.

Should I just save the 4:4:4 output for 4K discs only or is anything 1080p alright?

Originally Posted by Panson

For 4K (50p/60p) Output, try changing from 4:4:4 to 4:2:0

Good luck.

Unfortunately changing this doesn't help. At first I thought it was an aspect ratio issue but I doubt it DVDs play fine however with 4:3 stuff I get thin black borders within the black borders. Not sure if that's normal. It's either the issue of SD not being presented on a 4K player or an aspect ratio output issue. For the latter this is where my knowledge of DW DVDs comes in handy. While archive extras on the blu-ray set don't show any picture (as I said only audio) what I have noticed is documentaries filmed for the DVDs that were filmed in 1:85:1 or 1:77:1 do indeed play properly. So I think maybe it has trouble adjusting the ratio when locked into widescreen? If this is the issue it's really weird because old DW was filmed in 4:3 and the episodes themselves on disc play correctly, black bars on the side and everything. Also if that is the problem how do I fix? Since attaching my 4K HD cable the ratios on my Samsung TV have been disabled. It's stuck to 16:9.

[PUsokrJosh305]

Originally Posted by pferreira

Should I just save the 4:4:4 output for 4K discs only or is anything 1080p alright?

Unfortunately changing this doesn't help. At first I thought it was an aspect ratio issue but I doubt it DVDs play fine however with 4:3 stuff I get thin black borders within the black borders. Not sure if that's normal. It's either the issue of SD not being presented on a 4K player or an aspect ratio output issue. For the latter this is where my knowledge of DW DVDs comes in handy. While archive extras on the blu-ray set don't show any picture (as I said only audio) what I have noticed is documentaries filmed for the DVDs that were filmed in 1:85:1 or 1:77:1 do indeed play properly. So I think maybe it has trouble adjusting the ratio when locked into widescreen? If this is the issue it's really weird because old DW was filmed in 4:3 and the episodes themselves on disc play correctly, black bars on the side and everything. Also if that is the problem how do I fix? Since attaching my 4K HD cable the ratios on my Samsung TV have been disabled. It's stuck to 16:9.

Try setting the HDMI resolution to just 4K and not automatic. Sometimes there can be issues with the player trying to change the resolution output and it can give you a black screen. Setting it to 4K will keep it at 4K at all times.

The resolution change used to happen when the player would load up, but not anymore.

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by pferreira

Should I just save the 4:4:4 output for 4K discs only or is anything 1080p alright?

Just set it at 4:2:2 for everything and never think of it again. You’re not losing anything since that’s still above 4K discs colour resolution DVDs through to 4K all use the same chroma compression.

[pferreira]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

Just set it at 4:2:2 for everything and never think of it again.

Yep, changed it on your first request.

Originally Posted by PUsokrJosh305

Try setting the HDMI resolution to just 4K and not automatic. Sometimes there can be issues with the player trying to change the resolution output and it can give you a black screen. Setting it to 4K will keep it at 4K at all times.

The resolution change used to happen when the player would load up, but not anymore.

Nah, it didn't work. Same problem. As I said I think it's to do with something not being set to change between 4:3 outputs and 16:9 outputs. It's the only thing the extra features which aren't working have in common.

[pferreira]

I'm wondering whether I should create a new thread to ask about this particular issue since it differs to the misunderstanding I started off with. People might be put off going through pages of this thread to find out what the problem is.