Deep Red 4K UHD (1975)

[GasmaskAvenger]

Originally Posted by Nori

I like this. I'm not Italian but I'm not surprised. A lot of people seem to watch it in English, and the short version to boot, so I can see how a lot of people might disagree. To me though, it is a perfect movie.

In Japan I believe Phenomena was one of his most successful. That's also one of my favorites actually.

Deep Red & Phenomena are my top two fave Argento films, coincidentally

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by BluProofie

I stopped at Opera because of the bad things I’ve heard about his later films.

The Stendhal Syndrome is hella good.

[UniSol GR77]

Originally Posted by Nori

As an Italian do you watch all his films in Italian or are there some you watch in English?

I don't speak Italian but for at least his first 9 films, I always categorically stick to Italian audio. I've watched many of them in English too, I just find the Italian dubbing much more professionally done, and more in tune with the tone of the movies. I'm curious what you think.

YES, that's the truth. Italians only watch Italian-dubbed films. We got the best voice actors in the world, it's a school.
There are no Italians who watch English-spoken films, except if you're a maniac fan of a given movie/movie series/actor.
New generations (and even me) use to watch TV series in their native language, with Italian subtitles. TV series, not movies.

Talking about Argento, he used some of the best voice actors in Italy at the time. Listen to David Hemmings in "Deep Red", his Italian voice is fantastic:

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_La_Monica

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

The Stendhal Syndrome is hella good.

The last great one.

[fred25_Ca]

I watched Mother of Tears a decade ago and couldn't believe how low Argento had fallen. I didn't think he could do worst. I watched Dracula 3d a few years later. Boy was I wrong... Has there ever been such a massive drop in quality from another great director? I mean, i've seen great directors like Carpenter make movies like Ghost of Mars and The ward but Dracula 3D is on another level. It makes Uwe Boll look like a genius.

I can't imagine how interesting a Dracula adaptation could have been had Argento done one in the early 80's, with Goblins and all.

[Pecker]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

Bye.

Yes everyone, this really is what passes for humour in the longer cut of Deep Red.

Like a poor man's Mrs Brown's Boys.

[UniSol GR77]

Originally Posted by Pecker

Yes everyone, this really is what passes for humour in the longer cut of Deep Red.

The humour in Deep Red is very Italian-like, sweet and 100% human. There is nothing wrong in those scenes, they contribute to create the greatness of the movie, which is also a very faithful depiction of the 70's Italy.

[Doc Samson]

Super excited for this release. Never got around to seeing Deep Red, but Suspiria is a yearly watch for me. If it looks anything like the 4K release of Suspiria, it's going to be awesome.

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by Pecker

Yes everyone, this really is what passes for humour in the longer cut of Deep Red.

Like a poor man's Mrs Brown's Boys.

Delete this.

[vector72]

Originally Posted by Doc Samson

Super excited for this release. Never got around to seeing Deep Red, but Suspiria is a yearly watch for me. If it looks anything like the 4K release of Suspiria, it's going to be awesome.

If you're looking for a "suspiria part 2" that would be Inferno. Deep Red is quite different in style, characterization, setting, and plot. Suspiria marked a turning point in Argento's career.

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by UniSol GR77

YES, that's the truth. Italians only watch Italian-dubbed films. We got the best voice actors in the world, it's a school.
There are no Italians who watch English-spoken films, except if you're a maniac fan of a given movie/movie series/actor.
New generations (and even me) use to watch TV series in their native language, with Italian subtitles. TV series, not movies.

Talking about Argento, he used some of the best voice actors in Italy at the time. Listen to David Hemmings in "Deep Red", his Italian voice is fantastic:

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_La_Monica

I agree again! Italian dub all the way for Deep Red. I can't even listen to Hemmings in this film with his proper voice now!

[wmv2001]

Originally Posted by vector72

If you're looking for a "suspiria part 2" that would be Inferno. Deep Red is quite different in style, characterization, setting, and plot. Suspiria marked a turning point in Argento's career.

Funny that you mention this, in Japan this film was actually marketed as Suspiria Part 2.

[Show spoiler]

[Brian81]

For post Opera, I like 'Two Evil Eyes', 'Trauma' (bar the ending), and 'Do You Like Hitchcock?' best. Yes, the TV one.

[vector72]

Originally Posted by wmv2001

Funny that you mention this, in Japan this film was actually marketed as Suspiria Part 2.

Yes, but Argento originally intended Deep Red to fit within the "animal trilogy" format as The Sabre-Toothed Tiger. Thematically & stylistically, DR follows that series, whereas Inferno expands upon Suspiria.

[Nori]

Originally Posted by UniSol GR77

YES, that's the truth. Italians only watch Italian-dubbed films. We got the best voice actors in the world, it's a school.
There are no Italians who watch English-spoken films, except if you're a maniac fan of a given movie/movie series/actor.
New generations (and even me) use to watch TV series in their native language, with Italian subtitles. TV series, not movies.

Talking about Argento, he used some of the best voice actors in Italy at the time. Listen to David Hemmings in "Deep Red", his Italian voice is fantastic:

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_La_Monica

Yes! David Hemmings in italian is so good he sounds like someone who's worked in Italy so long he picked up the character and style of his surroundings. I much prefer his Italian voice. David Hemmings is a great actor but not so good at dubbing, so his English self is just ok, at best. It's so much genuine in Italian.

What about Argento's later movies like Sleepless, The Card Player, and Mother of Tears, do you watch those in Italian too?

[Nori]

Originally Posted by Pecker

Yes everyone, this really is what passes for humour in the longer cut of Deep Red.

Like a poor man's Mrs Brown's Boys.

My gosh. Couldn't disagree more. I find Hemmings and Nicolodi have great chemistry and those bits are an essential part of the movie.

[Nori]

Originally Posted by vector72

Yes, but Argento originally intended Deep Red to fit within the "animal trilogy" format as The Sabre-Toothed Tiger. Thematically & stylistically, DR follows that series, whereas Inferno expands upon Suspiria.

Yes, most of his great films follow more in his original thriller horror roots, and only sometimes sprinkled with light supernatural elements (such as Phenomena's Jennifer being able to communicate with insects). For the most part the first four films, as well as Tenebrae and Phenomena are more in the classical Argento vein, while Suspiria and Inferno are more supernatural horror, but all of his films retain his unique and classical Argento touch, and are incredibly charming (in a horrific way) and stylish in my opinion. So to a viewer who liked Suspiria I see no reason why they wouldn't also love his others, unless the main aspect they liked about Suspiria was being a supernatural horror film.

[PeterNeal]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

Yup. I watched the shorter cut once to satisfy my curiosity, and I doubt I'd watch it again. It just felt rushed and I missed the bantz between Hemmings and Nicolodi.

Seriously! I remember everyone losing their shit when Anchor Bay put out the longer cut on DVD back in the day. That was the version I fell in love with and became my favorite Argento film. Somewhere along the line people started favoring the shorter version, which honestly might tighten up the pacing a bit here and there, but pales in comparison overall. I heard someone on a podcast a couple years ago say they always prefer the shorter cuts of Argento films, even the Creepers cut of Phenomena!!!!!

[Nori]

Originally Posted by GasmaskAvenger

Deep Red & Phenomena are my top two fave Argento films, coincidentally

Me too.

[UniSol GR77]

Originally Posted by Nori

What about Argento's later movies like Sleepless, The Card Player, and Mother of Tears, do you watch those in Italian too?

Always in Italian. Yes.


Everyone here, keep in mind that the "Animal Trilogy" in Italy, back in the day, was successful, but not a cultural phenomenon.
"Deep Red" was a 360 degrees revolution. We Italians still refer to that movie when speaking about the horrors of everyday's life or frightening crime news, in the same way as you mention Rambo when referring to Vietnam vets or super soldiers. It has become "universal" in the Italian culture. Argento's fame and popularity became as much big as Sergio Leone's.
"Suspiria" cemented that, but "Suspiria" wasn't successful as "Deep Red".

As simple as that, this is the honest and accurate "chart" of Argento's success in Italy:

1- Deep Red

2- Suspiria
3- The Animal Trilogy (all together)
4- Inferno (Eleonora Giorgi is a superstar in Italy)
5- Tenebrae (Giuliano Gemma is one of the most iconic Italian actors)
6- Phenomena
7- Opera
8- All other movies except Phantom and Dracula 3D
9- Phantom and Dracula 3D
10- Giallo