The Transformers: The Movie 4K UHD (1986)

[SpazeBlue]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

And seeing as it was an import it wouldn't play.

It's region free.

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

Imports are releases, but are not generally considered a release since it's not worldwide.

...What?

[SpaceBlackKnight]

Wasn't expecting this to happen given Hasbro's distribution arrangement with Lionsgate (maybe that fizzled when the MLP movie flopped in the long run and Hasbro bought EOne?)

The 2016 BD was from a 4k scan of the interpositive, though the only things wrong with it were the improper black levels and the rather slim extras being repeated on both discs. The OCN went missing long ago and Metrodome's so-called "Reconstructed Version" was actually done from an interneg and not "the original negatives" as they claimed.

I imagine the UHD will be a HDR massaged version of the 2016 scan, though I do wonder if they'll present both ARs in 4k HDR or just the widescreen version.

If the pre-orders are coming up soon, when will they announce extras? Hopefully for the price and recent cost cutting measures like eco cases, that they'll get us some better extras and not repeat the same ones on both discs.

I would bukakke for the alternate "Star Wars" opening and Rank logos 2/4k scanned from a 35mm UK print, if Shout were able to track such source down (they're out there as the BFI allegedly have a 35mm UK print and was reportedly the one screened back during the release of the 2007 movie).

[fighthefutureofhd]

Originally Posted by SpazeBlue

It's region free.

Still, most video stores in the U.S. at the time would not carry it. They carry imports for home video releases.

Originally Posted by SpazeBlue

...What?

Look, those are not my rules. That's just the way it is. Look at Discogs and you will find lots of releases in one region that is considered an official release because it was not released worldwide. Best example of this would be greatest hits packages. There are artists with a slew of greatest hits CDs, but not all of them are not considered official since they weren't released worldwide. A lot of it, for music anyway, has to do with the contract and all. You sign a 5 record deal, those records have to be worldwide releases (including the U.S.). For movies, it was sort of the same deal. Especially with awards. If a movie was only released in Germany, it would not be considered for any awards except foreign film category. I'm just saying what has been standard practice for quite a while.

Originally Posted by Sky_Captain

If you say so.

Just pointing out how things are and are perceived over here.

[Sky_Captain]

[fighthefutureofhd]

Look, the business model for how stores operate hasn't changed very much in the last 40 years. Just because it is on the internet don't mean S--T!!! I can't tell you how many times I've tried to order things from my local record shop , that I can clearly see on the internet, and them telling it's not available. That's because it's not in their system they use. They don't use the internet. It's got to do with a lot of factors. One of which being sales the rules set up by whomever that deem it is considered an official release that could count as a sale and a chart. Do I think it is right? No, I don't. But I don't make the rules and I can't make these stores do what I think is right. If I went into Best Buy or FYE in 2007 and asked to order The Transformers: The Movie on Blu-ray, they would tell me it's not available or on Blu-ray. Again, not that I agree with that. But there is a lot in life I don't agree with.

[Alister_M]

I've been ordering movies and music online since the 90s. As for Discogs, if something on there is listed as Unofficial, it's because it's a bootleg or counterfeit released by Russian or Chinese criminals, or from a dodgy third-party license in the case of a lot of those shady "best of" collections. But if you look at something like Talking Heads "Once in a Lifetime - The Best of", that was released in all of Europe, the UK and Australia but not the USA, it's still an official release and listed as such. The world does not revolve around North America, no matter how some of y'all try to convince yourselves otherwise.

[pL86]

I just watched the livestream announcement and it seemed like it was implied the standard 4k will be available to order from other retailers. They didn't say it outright but that's the impression I got from the way that part of the announcement was phrased - "the standard edition 4k ultra high def will also be available for preorder later this summer" with no specific mention of preordering on the shout factory site like they did for the steelbook. Is that an accurate impression or am I reading too much into what was left unsaid?

[BCap]

Originally Posted by SpaceBlackKnight

Wasn't expecting this to happen given Hasbro's distribution arrangement with Lionsgate (maybe that fizzled when the MLP movie flopped in the long run and Hasbro bought EOne?)

The 2016 BD was from a 4k scan of the interpositive, though the only things wrong with it were the improper black levels and the rather slim extras being repeated on both discs. The OCN went missing long ago and Metrodome's so-called "Reconstructed Version" was actually done from an interneg and not "the original negatives" as they claimed.

I imagine the UHD will be a HDR massaged version of the 2016 scan, though I do wonder if they'll present both ARs in 4k HDR or just the widescreen version.

If the pre-orders are coming up soon, when will they announce extras? Hopefully for the price and recent cost cutting measures like eco cases, that they'll get us some better extras and not repeat the same ones on both discs.

I would bukakke for the alternate "Star Wars" opening and Rank logos 2/4k scanned from a 35mm UK print, if Shout were able to track such source down (they're out there as the BFI allegedly have a 35mm UK print and was reportedly the one screened back during the release of the 2007 movie).

Did they ever say why the OCN is missing? Was it indeed a flood?

[SpaceBlackKnight]

Originally Posted by BCap

Did they ever say why the OCN is missing? Was it indeed a flood?

Dino De Laurentiis' company DEG Entertainment handled US distribution, while Rank released it in the UK and other markets. I think back in 2004, Sony Wonder did searches in the archives of StudioCanal (owner of some of the DEG catalog) and ITV/Carlton (owners of the Rank Film Distributors output), but none of them had any better pre-print film elements or the OCN. Hasbro luckily kept an IP and a interneg from the Sunbow/TV Loonland catalog they purchased years earlier. The interneg element was shipped over to the UK and Metrodome created the master for their Reconstructed Edition and 2007 BD from that, while the interpositive was used for the 2006 Sony DVD and Shout/Manga's releases.

It's speculated that the OCN was discarded at a film storage facility due to years of unpaid costs by the rights holder and/or distributor, and the center also had the balls to write it off as a flood damage loss (this has happened to some other films in the past, I believe Citizen Kane and the Magnificent Ambersons were one of them).

[Alister_M]

Originally Posted by SpaceBlackKnight

Dino De Laurentiis' company DEG Entertainment handled US distribution, while Rank released it in the UK and other markets. I think back in 2004, Sony Wonder did searches in the archives of StudioCanal (owner of some of the DEG catalog) and ITV/Carlton (owners of the Rank Film Distributors output), but none of them had any better pre-print film elements or the OCN. Hasbro luckily kept an IP and a interneg from the Sunbow/TV Loonland catalog they purchased years earlier. The interneg element was shipped over to the UK and Metrodome created the master for their Reconstructed Edition and 2007 BD from that, while the interpositive was used for the 2006 Sony DVD and Shout/Manga's releases.

We're probably lucky they kept anything at all. I mean, I doubt they ever expected the film to end up being as beloved as it is, since it was essentially just a feature-length advertisement for the 1986 line of toys (hey lets just kill off all the ones we're not making any more, how convenient!). At least with this type of basic cel animation, the loss of detail won't be as egregious as a standard live-action film. Hopefully they'll take full advantage of the extra disc space and include both aspects and, if we're really lucky, the original home video intro and ending, even if it's just included as a bonus feature.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by Sky_Captain

Well, if we're bursting bubbles...
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Trans...-Blu-ray/2016/

So I do actually own this? It wasn't a dream?

[mysticwaterfall]

The first movie I remember ever seeing in a theater when I was 5. I've had the VHS, DVD, and Blu. Ill definitely get the 4K.

"You got the touch!
You got the power!
Yeah!"

[ZANTHERA]

Originally Posted by SpaceBlackKnight

I imagine the UHD will be a HDR massaged version of the 2016 scan, though I do wonder if they'll present both ARs in 4k HDR or just the widescreen version.

I would be extremely surprised and concerned if they only had HDR on the widescreen version considering many loved the choice of both 1.85:1 and 4:3 with the 30th anniversary release.

I believe they could have just imported the colour grading settings or better still they could have graded the cleaned up scan and then simply cropped it from there giving both the same HDR at once. It might not work those ways so I could be wrong but Transformers is such a huge money maker for them that they can afford to have both aspect ratios given HDR individually if they wanted.

[bongozoid]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

It's no wonder. That is not a U.S. release and my site is U.S. only. That would've been an import title and one you couldn't get in the U.S. in most places. Most stores only did imports for CDs. And seeing as it was an import it wouldn't play. Imports are releases, but are not generally considered a release since it's not worldwide. Sort of like the original Iron Man 4K releases.

Aah the classic 'It isn't American so it doesn't exist' take.
Dear leader would be proud.

[LexInHD]

Originally Posted by PissedOffPeoN

Whats the odds they gave it a atmos track? Prob very low but the music would be worth it with all the action going on .

Very low. The original audio was Dolby Stereo and can be considered low-end at best. Rhino ordered a faux 5.1 mix with added sound effects, to go with their DVD mixes for the series. Sony did their own faux 5.1 from the original stereo mix, likely using the industry standard upmixing from Chace and that is what was used on the Shout Factory Blu-Ray, which will likely be carried over to the 4K.

[BNex99]

I wonder if they'll finally remove the Rank gong hits from the DEG logo.

[Comcam]

Anyone know what time this should go on sale tomorrow on the SHOUT website?

[PissedOffPeoN]

No one knows.. but if you wake up past 12 to go to the bathroom you can check like i will :-).

[Batman1980]

I must have this.

[fighthefutureofhd]

Originally Posted by Alister_M

I've been ordering movies and music online since the 90s. As for Discogs, if something on there is listed as Unofficial, it's because it's a bootleg or counterfeit released by Russian or Chinese criminals, or from a dodgy third-party license in the case of a lot of those shady "best of" collections. But if you look at something like Talking Heads "Once in a Lifetime - The Best of", that was released in all of Europe, the UK and Australia but not the USA, it's still an official release and listed as such. The world does not revolve around North America, no matter how some of y'all try to convince yourselves otherwise.

Agree completely. Though your Talking Heads example is not the best example, as it was released in the U.S.:

https://www.discogs.com/Talking-Head...lease/16572735


It's very limited release here largely because EMI is not the label the Talking Heads. And that would be a conflict of interests/rights.

Originally Posted by bongozoid

Aah the classic 'It isn't American so it doesn't exist' take.
Dear leader would be proud.

I completely and wholeheartedly agree with what you are saying. It is NOT right that if it isn't American or "released in America" it doesn't exist. That should be a thing at all. But for business model purposes and how "brick and mortar" stores are run, it IS that way. Because they have a specific they use to order their stock and often times something released overseas or whatever but not the U.S. will not always be on their system. Therefore they cannot order it nor will it be available to them. And in some cases, that means they might say "it's not been released". I don't agree with that, but I cannot argue with what does and does not in their particular system. Stores do not run their purchasing orders through the world wide internet. They can sometimes special order, but that will cost more.

This particular 2007 release would fall under special order, if they could've gotten it. I spent half my life in record stores and video stores, so I know the drill. Not trying to rude or anything like that. I just wanted to better clarify that a) I don't with agree with how it's done with respect to record and video stores purchasing policy etc. and b) that a brick and mortar store runs differently than most things. If I have stepped on any toes, I did not mean time. I hope my clarifying has helped in some way better understand how business is run and how that relates to physical releases. This is the last I will say on it, as I don't want to clog this thread or be an ahole.