New 4K blu ray players

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But who here is under the illusion they were going to fix it? Doesn’t mean we can’t still moan about it, that’s what the internet is there for!

Yeah!

[Tok]

Originally Posted by Naiera

No, it's not, at all. The existence of the Oppo UHD players (and the sorta-clones from Cambridge) is proof that you're very wrong.

Then track one of those players down. The only player that’s $1k is the 9000 and it’s lesser priced clone, the 820, is well under $1k. The $1k price tag was for the build quality… not for support of a legacy format.

That being said the Panasonic was a better UHD player than the Oppo due to its superior processing. Oppo was really only important for those that really wanted support for DVD-A and SACD and I guess low-rez DVD-Video.

My take is that Oppo owners were always looking to prove why the player they own is better. It usually boiled down to DVD-A and SACD playback. I guess you can add DVD-Video to the list as well. But it only really matters if you want those abilities… for those of us that don’t care about the failed audio formats or support for extremely low-rez video when 4K displays have basically replaced standard HD displays over 5 years ago now, the 9000 is the player to get if you want a high quality build player. If you really want DVD playback then look elsewhere or get a secondary player that handles DVD better.

[Naiera]

Originally Posted by Tok

The $1k price tag was for the build quality… not for support of a legacy format.

For the record, I have an Oppo BDP-103 and a Panasonic DP-UB824.

Originally Posted by Tok

My take is that Oppo owners were always looking to prove why the player they own is better.

Your take would be wrong. Oppo's DVD and Blu-ray players were always better, factually. The only way their UHD player lags behind Panasonic's HDR Optimiser models is HDR to SDR conversion.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by Naiera

For the record, I have an Oppo BDP-103 and a Panasonic DP-UB824.



Your take would be wrong. Oppo's DVD and Blu-ray players were always better, factually. The only way their UHD player lags behind Panasonic's HDR Optimiser models is HDR to SDR conversion.

It was more than the Optimizer for Panasonic UHD superiority. Panasonic’s HCX chip was developed in house and it was shown to be superior in head to head tests even though I will concede that many would not notice the differences in playback of content. Doesn’t really matter now anyways because Oppo no longer wanted to compete in the shrinking market.

[Cortiz]

Originally Posted by Tok

Then track one of those players down. The only player that’s $1k is the 9000 and it’s lesser priced clone, the 820, is well under $1k. The $1k price tag was for the build quality… not for support of a legacy format.

That being said the Panasonic was a better UHD player than the Oppo due to its superior processing. Oppo was really only important for those that really wanted support for DVD-A and SACD and I guess low-rez DVD-Video.

My take is that Oppo owners were always looking to prove why the player they own is better. It usually boiled down to DVD-A and SACD playback. I guess you can add DVD-Video to the list as well. But it only really matters if you want those abilities… for those of us that don’t care about the failed audio formats or support for extremely low-rez video when 4K displays have basically replaced standard HD displays over 5 years ago now, the 9000 is the player to get if you want a high quality build player. If you really want DVD playback then look elsewhere or get a secondary player that handles DVD better.

Sorry but I don't agree with this statement. UHD and BD playback quality is essentially the same on both Panasonic and Oppo machines IMO. If anyting, the Panasonic over sharpens the image creating the illusion of a "better PQ" for a lot of users and that's okay for those of you who likes that kind of thing. For reference, I own both the Panny UB9000 and Oppo 203. The Panny optimizer is a good tool for those who have older displays that don't have good tone mapping capabilities. But display tone mapping has improved greatly in recent years so the optimizer is becoming more obsolete as technology advances. HDR and SDR conversion? Why are people still having this conversation? The vast majority of people already own an HDR capable display so it doesn't matter whether one player has better HDR to SDR conversion. This was an issue back in the early days of 4K not an issue today.

My Oppo 203 is still my main player. The overall perfomance and operation of this player has never been matched IMO.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by Cortiz

Sorry but I don't agree with this statement. UHD and BD playback quality is essentially the same on both Panasonic and Oppo machines IMO. If anyting, the Panasonic over sharpens the image creating the illusion of a "better PQ" for a lot of users and that's okay for those of you who likes that kind of thing. For reference, I own both the Panny UB9000 and Oppo 203. The Panny optimizer is a good tool for those who have older displays that don't have good tone mapping capabilities. But display tone mapping has improved greatly in recent years so the optimizer is becoming more obsolete as technology advances. HDR and SDR conversion? Why are people still having this conversation? The vast majority of people already own an HDR capable display so it doesn't matter whether one player has better HDR to SDR conversion. This was an issue back in the early days of 4K not an issue today.

My Oppo 203 is still my main player. The overall perfomance and operation of this player has never been equaled IMO.

HDR to SDR was a key feature for many that use projection systems. I used it due to my JVC 540 not having dynamic tone mapping. HDR playback always required tweaking between movies and sometimes during the movie. HDR to SDR conversion solved it for the most part while still utilizing the larger color gamut of the UHD format.

New JVC laser here and I no longer need the feature due to the excellent DTM algorithm JVC implemented. Reality is with a large projection system in light controlled room you don’t need much more than 130 nits. If fact the other night while watching HP6 near the end one the scene transitions went to a near all white field and my wife commented that it was too bright after our eyes had adjusted to average image brightness over 2 hours. HDR while a useful tool was specifically developed for flat panels and even Dolby Cinema HDR isn’t much over 100 nits for the commercial space.

Is the Panasonic ‘sharpening’ or is the Oppo ‘softening’. It looked more to me like the Panasonic was fully resolving the test pattern where the Oppo wasn’t.