Dead Silence 4K UHD (2007) from Scream Factory

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Cortiz

You're correct. However, when you are asked to pay 30 bucks for a 4K upgrade of an old catalog title, at the very least it should include both cuts. The unrated cut for better or worse, it's been readily available and in fact, it was the only cut released by Universal on BD. So there's really NO excuse for not including the unrated cut on 4K as well.

There kind of is, though. Have you considered that all of the added tongue CG done for the Blu-ray "unrated" cut was completed in HD and would look poorly in 4K? I mean, it looked poor on the Blu-ray so I imagine it would look even worse in 4K. Or, the added cost of another 4K disc, which people in general wouldn't watch anyway other than curiosity (which is addressed by the packed in blu with the "unrated" cut). I really can't fault Shout for the decision here. If it boiled down to a single 4K disc to keep the MSRP under control I definitely wouldn't want the terrible unrated cut robbing bitrate from the theatrical cut.

[levcore]

I thought the CG looked fine in this, for a 2007 horror movie.

[Zombie Dude]

Originally Posted by Ruined

There kind of is, though. Have you considered that all of the added tongue CG done for the Blu-ray "unrated" cut was completed in HD and would look poorly in 4K? I mean, it looked poor on the Blu-ray so I imagine it would look even worse in 4K. Or, the added cost of another 4K disc, which people in general wouldn't watch anyway other than curiosity (which is addressed by the packed in blu with the "unrated" cut). I really can't fault Shout for the decision here. If it boiled down to a single 4K disc to keep the MSRP under control I definitely wouldn't want the terrible unrated cut robbing bitrate from the theatrical cut.

There's no way you would need to put the unrated cut on a seperate 4k disc.

[jawhisna]

And scratched

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Zombie Dude

There's no way you would need to put the unrated cut on a seperate 4k disc.

If you don't though then you're taking bitrate away from the theatrical cut. Thus I'm perfectly fine with shout putting it on a regular Blu-ray disc as an extra, since it's been available on Blu ray forever and I will probably never desire to watch it again after seeing the superiority of the TC.

Btw my discs were not scratched but my 4k case is wrinkled, was def opened and resealed

Originally Posted by levcore

I thought the CG looked fine in this, for a 2007 horror movie.

I thought the CG, even the minimized amount in the theatrical version, stuck out like a sore thumb and looked terrible especially in a movie that used so much practical effects.

The "unrated" just takes the CG to next-level bad. And on top of it looking bad, it is pointless for the story and is more comical than scary.

I'll also add based on the stuff in the unrated cut, alternate ending, its pretty clear this was confused, haphazard production. Wan said the amount of studio interference was pretty massive and the initial idea was a bit half baked. In fact, initially they apparently set out for the entire movie to take place in the vaudeville era, which only became flashbacks in the final cut. For all the stuff available for this movie which seems like it would have different story trajectories depending on what was swapped in or out, the theatrical cut seems to be the most coherent cut available. The "extra stuff" in the unrated cut isn't adequately explained / makes no sense and may have been for a different plot trajectory than what was settled upon for the final cut.

[Zombie Dude]

Originally Posted by Ruined

If you don't though then you're taking bitrate away from the theatrical cut. Thus I'm perfectly fine with shout putting it on a regular Blu-ray disc as an extra, since it's been available on Blu ray forever and I will probably never desire to watch it again after seeing the superiority of the TC.

Well it would be pretty silly not to use seamless branching with this, so I don't think that would have much effect on the bitrate.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Zombie Dude

Well it would be pretty silly not to use seamless branching with this, so I don't think that would have much effect on the bitrate.

Can you do that in the case of Dead Silence where there is both stuff in the TC not in the Unrated cut and vice versa? I thought that only cleanly worked when one cut just had more added on to the other

[Batman90]

It’s been awhile since I seen this movie what is the difference between the theatrical and the Unrated cut?

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Batman90

It’s been awhile since I seen this movie what is the difference between the theatrical and the Unrated cut?

[Show spoiler] basically the unrated cut has added long CG tongues that stick out of Mary Shaw's mouth at a few points in the movie - these were removed for the theatrical cut presumably because it did not look particularly convincing , nor was it scary,.nor did they really make sense with the rest of the story.

they're also some minor changes in the dialogue between the two cuts,.with the TC having more refined storytelling at times

[Show spoiler]like the clown doll scene

. Unrated cut also has some random stuff additional that was likely cut because it was deemed filler,.as.is.often the case with unrated cuts.

[Zombie Dude]

Originally Posted by Ruined

Can you do that in the case of Dead Silence where there is both stuff in the TC not in the Unrated cut and vice versa? I thought that only cleanly worked when one cut just had more added on to the other

Last I checked this only had some pretty minor differences between cuts so I would have thought it was possible to seamlessly branch.

[MattJ1991]

Got this today and checked it out. The new transfer is solid to my eye. A lot of this film is in darkness and it was a massive improvement from the last time I saw it which was on Netflix. The new interviews were pretty nice too. Overall a nice package, and one I’m glad I splurged on.

[bilbofett]

Originally Posted by Cortiz

You're correct. However, when you are asked to pay 30 bucks for a 4K upgrade of an old catalog title, at the very least it should include both cuts. The unrated cut for better or worse, it's been readily available and in fact, it was the only cut released by Universal on BD. So there's really NO excuse for not including the unrated cut on 4K as well.

you're being unreasonable, its literally 10 secs more of footage and a CG tongue, thats not enough of a difference to stage a protest.

[HorrorBlu]

^ 3 mins based on the running time.

[bilbofett]

Originally Posted by HorrorBlu

^ 3 mins based on the running time.

OK,. and is it such an incredibly different viewing experience for you? Have you compared? Its a difference w/out a distinction.

Look, please hear my tone, its not angry.

I love SE's and D.C,'s (where the HELL is the Abyss?!), I hate studio meddling in general and there's mainly 1-2 movies where I don't think a D.C. is actually better (Donnie Darko, forget the other one).

For this one, is the main plot changed? Is it a different ending? Does it add additional depth and motivation to a character? I think its a no to all these.

Again, 1) we ARE getting the unrated (its in HD), its not a "we're not getting it at all!" situation which a boycott might be a warranted response for. It's been available for 15 years. If anything, the lack of a THEATRICAL would've been something to make a ruckus over! 2) I don't think those scenes warrant a completely 2nd disc or the extra budget for a seamless branch. I know a bit about video editing but not what goes into making a UHD disc that does that.

You guys are taking a stand that's going to cost Shout $$$ and it can mean less of these boutique releases in the future. I don't think this is the title to be making an example out of.

For anyone wondering:
https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=4300

[Zombie Dude]

Originally Posted by bilbofett

OK,. and is it such an incredibly different viewing experience for you? Have you compared? Its a difference w/out a distinction.

Look, please hear my tone, its not angry.

I love SE's and D.C,'s (where the HELL is the Abyss?!), I hate studio meddling in general and there's mainly 1-2 movies where I don't think a D.C. is actually better (Donnie Darko, forget the other one).

For this one, is the main plot changed? Is it a different ending? Does it add additional depth and motivation to a character? I think its a no to all these.

Again, 1) we ARE getting the unrated (its in HD), its not a "we're not getting it at all!" situation which a boycott might be a warranted response for. It's been available for 15 years. If anything, the lack of a THEATRICAL would've been something to make a ruckus over! 2) I don't think those scenes warrant a completely 2nd disc or the extra budget for a seamless branch. I know a bit about video editing but not what goes into making a UHD disc that does that.

You guys are taking a stand that's going to cost Shout $$$ and it can mean less of these boutique releases in the future. I don't think this is the title to be making an example out of.

For anyone wondering:
https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=4300

Um, it is a different ending....

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Zombie Dude

Um, it is a different ending....

Actually the alternate ending is a seperate thing from the unrated cut. It was included as an extra on the old unrated cut Blu ray.

The unrated cut sucks and the filmmaker promotes the theatrical cut, if you want the inferior unrated cut it's on a Blu ray in the package. I agree with the above post I wouldn't want 1 byte of space of the 4K disc wasted on the unrated cut.

The additions to the unrated cut are not explained and make no sense, and it is not any more gory than the theatrical cut; there is even a scene it is missing a line of dialogue that is fairly important to the plot. It was likely thrown together by Universal's home video department to trick people into thinking they were getting a gorier version on home video, as studios have done numerous times in the past with "unrated" cuts.

[SpiderNerd09]

Legit the longest extension for the unrated cut is a 42 filler shot of the detective following the main character to Mary Shaws Property. It's a chase scene. We already know that both characters are going to the same place, do we seriously need a near minute long shot of the second guy going to the same spot.

Beyond that it's 30 secs of CGI tongue, and about a minute of exposition that reiterates what we already know. Adding up to 2min 30secs of unnecessary additions.

[Cortiz]

You all missing the point. Whether you are for or against the unrated cut, it should be made available regardless. It's all about OPTIONS. I don't mind forking out 30 bucks for an old 4K catalog title but when the ONLY previously available cut on BD was the unrated cut, then there's no reason for not releasing it along the TC. Personally, I don't care if the additional CGI footage looks fake on 4K, it certainly didn't look that bad on BD .

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by Cortiz

You all missing the point. Whether you are for or against the unrated cut, it should be made available regardless. It's all about OPTIONS. I don't mind forking out 30 bucks for an old 4K catalog title but when the ONLY previously available cut on BD was the unrated cut, then there's no reason for not releasing it along the TC. Personally, I don't care if the additional CGI footage looks fake on 4K, it certainly didn't look that bad on BD .

I explained this in another thread - every option is another opportunity for a f*** up. It also requires extra QC, and it cost more money to author the disc.

In a case like this where the unrated cut is basically useless, I support shouts decision not to include it at all on the 4K. If it were a case like waterworld where the Ulysses cut was not included such as in the new Arrow 4K set for Waterworld that's a different story because that's a useful cut of the film.

I mean they didn't include the censored TV cut of dead silence either, are you also upset about that cuz that's about as useful as the unrated cut

[ricklg10]

Ordered collectors set directly from shout, every single item arrived damaged, both slips look like they’ve been stomped on, case broke, discs loose and have some deep scratches, posters crinkled and shout is absolutely refusing to send any replacements. I’ve been out of the hobby for years but I’ve never had problems them when requesting replacements. Unbelievable. The movie and slip were freely moving around the box with no packing paper.