The Twin Peaks Tv-Series Thread.

[Oblivion138]

While it didn't last long, Twin Peaks did change the primetime landscape. Without its quirkiness becoming a cult phenomenon, there's no way we ever would have gotten The X-Files (a show that, unlike Peaks, went on a bit too long).

I love the series, warts and all, but that second season lull (after Lynch and Frost went off to do other things, and before Lynch returned for the big send-off) can be a tough slog at times. In some ways, during that period, Twin Peaks went from satirizing soap operas to being one. Particularly in that whole dead-end subplot with James and Evelyn. But even as we descend into that whole stewpot of silliness, there is still some great material in there.

And though it's incredibly divisive, I'm also in the camp that loves FWWM. It's a completely different beast, but ultimately, it has to be. The film is - and must be - tragic. It's not without its quirks and comedic moments, but overall, it falls in line with the much darker episodes of the series. And obviously, is much more explicit...which again, is not merely a function of being an R-rated film rather than a TV series, nor a desperate attempt to be exploitative, or appeal to prurient interest. There were a great many things that were discussed and alluded to in the series regarding Laura's death and her behavior prior to the murder. And it was the kind of stuff that you could talk about, but never show, on network TV. For the film to address her final days, these things had to be shown. It is a depressing, even heartbreaking film...but I do feel it belongs to the Twin Peaks universe, 100%. And it certainly delves deeper into

[Show spoiler]the world of the Lodge Spirits...particularly the relationship between MIKE, BOB, and the Man From Another Place.

Obviously, though, FWWM should only be viewed after one has viewed the series. Otherwise, there's really no mystery to the murder of Laura Palmer, and one cannot experience the series as it original played to an audience going in cold. One should not experience the murder of Laura Palmer until one has already experienced the series as a whole. Even if you view it after the reveal of Laura Palmer's killer, there are still things in FWWM that won't make sense.

[Show spoiler]Like when Annie appears to Laura, and tells her that the good Dale is in the Lodge, and can't leave. Annie only appears toward the end of the second season, and Dale only enters the Lodge in the finale.

What brings me back time and again, even beyond the main draws of the series in its heyday - the joy of watching the oddball characters interact in charmingly quirky ways...the mystery of Laura Palmer - is how much it makes me think. And theorize. Like the best of Lynch's film work, Twin Peaks invites the viewer to interpret...not merely to watch, but to participate on an intellectual level. And when it comes to topics like

[Show spoiler]the Black Lodge, or how much is spiritual and how much is psychological,

there is truly no end to the theories and interpretations one can extrapolate. Which leads to many, many wonderful, lengthy, spoiler-filled discussions. haha

I've tried to stay fairly spoiler-free here. But if anyone wants to engage in deeper, more spoileriffic conversation, I'm always game. I could talk about this series endlessly.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by jw007

Hey, hey, hey... I see its been just over a year since anyone has posted in this thread on Twin Peaks.

Well, count me in! I just finished watching the entire series via Apple TV and was slowly blown away with each passing episode. That last episode "Beyond Life and Death" was so disturbing, it wasn't funny. It truly resembled a nightmare at times. I could only imagine David Lynch extracted those scenes directly from his own nightmares.

I'm starting to experience Twin Peaks withdrawal now suddenly cause I only wanted more. I can see how this tv show is addictive and life-changing to some people though. The humor and campy comedy and all sorts of characters, young and old, only heightens the terror and horror that is in this show. The whole concept of the "black lodge" (and the white lodge) is truly terrifying and almost convincing that something like this really exists on this planet (there are certain places that are called "dead zones" or places where heightened paranormal energies exist). I still cannot believe a major network aired this tv show. How could this ever happen again today?

Here's hoping people re-fire up this thread again. Chime in with your Twin Peaks love (or hate!).

"It's not so bad as long as you can keep the fear from your mind". - Dale Cooper

Have you watched fire Walk With Me? If not, I think you need to. I was blown away but it gets pretty disturbing so be warned.

Oops post above appeared while I wrote this.

[BluraySe7en]

Originally Posted by Oblivion138

While it didn't last long, Twin Peaks did change the primetime landscape. Without its quirkiness becoming a cult phenomenon, there's no way we ever would have gotten The X-Files (a show that, unlike Peaks, went on a bit too long).

I love the series, warts and all, but that second season lull (after Lynch and Frost went off to do other things, and before Lynch returned for the big send-off) can be a tough slog at times. In some ways, during that period, Twin Peaks went from satirizing soap operas to being one. Particularly in that whole dead-end subplot with James and Evelyn. But even as we descend into that whole stewpot of silliness, there is still some great material in there.

And though it's incredibly divisive, I'm also in the camp that loves FWWM. It's a completely different beast, but ultimately, it has to be. The film is - and must be - tragic. It's not without its quirks and comedic moments, but overall, it falls in line with the much darker episodes of the series. And obviously, is much more explicit...which again, is not merely a function of being an R-rated film rather than a TV series, nor a desperate attempt to be exploitative, or appeal to prurient interest. There were a great many things that were discussed and alluded to in the series regarding Laura's death and her behavior prior to the murder. And it was the kind of stuff that you could talk about, but never show, on network TV. For the film to address her final days, these things had to be shown. It is a depressing, even heartbreaking film...but I do feel it belongs to the Twin Peaks universe, 100%. And it certainly delves deeper into

[Show spoiler]the world of the Lodge Spirits...particularly the relationship between MIKE, BOB, and the Man From Another Place.

Obviously, though, FWWM should only be viewed after one has viewed the series. Otherwise, there's really no mystery to the murder of Laura Palmer, and one cannot experience the series as it original played to an audience going in cold. One should not experience the murder of Laura Palmer until one has already experienced the series as a whole. Even if you view it after the reveal of Laura Palmer's killer, there are still things in FWWM that won't make sense.

[Show spoiler]Like when Annie appears to Laura, and tells her that the good Dale is in the Lodge, and can't leave. Annie only appears toward the end of the second season, and Dale only enters the Lodge in the finale.

What brings me back time and again, even beyond the main draws of the series in its heyday - the joy of watching the oddball characters interact in charmingly quirky ways...the mystery of Laura Palmer - is how much it makes me think. And theorize. Like the best of Lynch's film work, Twin Peaks invites the viewer to interpret...not merely to watch, but to participate on an intellectual level. And when it comes to topics like

[Show spoiler]the Black Lodge, or how much is spiritual and how much is psychological,

there is truly no end to the theories and interpretations one can extrapolate. Which leads to many, many wonderful, lengthy, spoiler-filled discussions. haha

I've tried to stay fairly spoiler-free here. But if anyone wants to engage in deeper, more spoileriffic conversation, I'm always game. I could talk about this series endlessly.

Couldn't have put it better myself, I'm also a fan of FWWM, I caught at least 3 times at the cinema on original release and although I've not watched it for sometime I completely resonate with your take, it is allot darker and indeed heartbreaking, in concentrating on Laura's last days rather than the warm quirkiness of the series, more resembling Season 2's terrifying opener or the series bizarre and disturbing climax, both Sheryl Lee and Ray Wise are superb in the film conveying this.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by BluraySe7en

Couldn't have put it better myself, I'm also a fan of FWWM, I caught at least 3 times at the cinema on original release and although I've not watched it for sometime I completely resonate with your take, it is allot darker and indeed heartbreaking, in concentrating on Laura's last days rather than the warm quirkiness of the series, more resembling Season 2's terrifying opener or the series bizarre and disturbing climax, both Sheryl Lee and Ray Wise are superb in the film conveying this.

Several scenes broke my heart. What a haunting, surreal but
Totally worthwhile experience. That end scene, WOW.

[AnamorphicWidescreen]

Re-posting my response (edited) to the TP on Blu thread; however, this is probably more appropriate here:

I am definitely a "Peak head". I loved TP & watched the show during it's original broadcast, saw FWWM in the theatre back in '92, and bought the Gold boxed DVD set when it came out in Fall 2007 (I avoided previous DVD sets since they didn't include the pilot). The first season was superb, and I felt the second season was great as well. That being said, the second season got some undeserved criticism; sure, it wasn't as good as the first (except for the last couple of episodes), but wasn't bad either. I know fans felt the show started to flounder when the mystery surrounding Laura Palmer's passing was solved, but IMHO the show was still interesting - it just went in different directions at that point. I will also say that I feel Twin Peaks was the best TV show ever...up to the point that it was released. I have liked other shows better than TP since it came out (X-files being one), but in the early '90's, IMHO TP was tops.

FWWM was one of the most creepy/horrific/disturbing films I've ever seen. Very well-done, however - and, it touched on a lot of what was mentioned in both the series & The Diary of Laura Palmer book...

And, though I was dissapointed at the cliff-hanger ending seen in the series' finale, I honestly do not want to see a continuation of the series. If something had come out in the next several years after the finale, it would have been alright...but, at this point it's been 24 years, and they should just let this go. All of the actors/actresses (who are still around) have aged, and IMHO there is no way they could make this work...at least not well. Also, as time has gone on I have grown to like the cliff-hanger ending....It's a lot like the show itself & Lynch's films...ambiguous & elusive....

[CHEЯNOБLY!]

I hope the BD box set comes out this year and this doesn't become an Eraserhead thing.

[Oblivion138]

Originally Posted by BluraySe7en

Couldn't have put it better myself, I'm also a fan of FWWM, I caught at least 3 times at the cinema on original release and although I've not watched it for sometime I completely resonate with your take, it is allot darker and indeed heartbreaking, in concentrating on Laura's last days rather than the warm quirkiness of the series, more resembling Season 2's terrifying opener or the series bizarre and disturbing climax, both Sheryl Lee and Ray Wise are superb in the film conveying this.

Very much agreed. To me, the tone of FWWM is closest in tone to an episode like Lonely Souls (Episode 14)...which may very well be the most horrific thing ever squeezed into an hour time slot in a broadcast network's primetime line-up...or, as you said, the Season 2 premiere, with its terrifying final scene. It's a wonderful companion piece to the series, but more so I think for those fans who appreciated how dark the series was willing to get, rather than those who merely responded to its quirkier charms. The film is not "fun" in the sense that the series often was, but it has much in common with the darker side of the series. Which was always there, beneath the surface, and often came to the surface in disturbing ways.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by BluraySe7en

Couldn't have put it better myself, I'm also a fan of FWWM, I caught at least 3 times at the cinema on original release and although I've not watched it for sometime I completely resonate with your take, it is allot darker and indeed heartbreaking, in concentrating on Laura's last days rather than the warm quirkiness of the series, more resembling Season 2's terrifying opener or the series bizarre and disturbing climax, both Sheryl Lee and Ray Wise are superb in the film conveying this.

OTOH....we get the Shouting FBI Chief again. (YOU'LL HAVE TO SPEAK UP, HIS HEARING AID DOESN'T WORK, YUK YUK!)

It wasn't the floundering storylines that was sinking Season 2, it was Lynch starting to project a feeling of self-boredom, and that he was giving the tone of the episodes an almost contemptuous style of Wacky Sitcom Slapstick, as if he was starting to feel chained in by the series and trying to prove some point that eluded the rest of us. It was becoming a sort of combination of Lost Highway, mixed with those snarky Bob Rafelson episodes of the Monkees.
It ended up being a transition period between the atmospheric "Eerie" Lynch of Eraserhead and Blue Velvet, and the hysterical "Screaming-meemie" Lynch of Wild at Heart. Those who watched the last second-season TV episode might have a hint of the latter.

By the time we got FWWM, half the cast didn't come back, and what we got was a second-season reunion of the newer and B-characters. Sort of like if they'd done an X-Files movie from the last season of X-Files.

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by jw007

The whole concept of the "black lodge" (and the white lodge) is truly terrifying and almost convincing that something like this really exists on this planet (there are certain places that are called "dead zones" or places where heightened paranormal energies exist).

The funny thing about the White Lodge and the Black Lodge is that when those were first brought up, I recognized them (and the "dugpas") from Talbot Mundy's 1926 novel The Devil's Guard (I'm a big Mundy fan). I was the first to point this connection out in the usenet newsgroup alt.tv.twin-peaks back in the day

Ah, those were the days. My other big contribution was that I started the Twin Peaks Timeline of Events, which put everything we know about what happened in chronological order. If I recall correctly, I did it for the first season, and may have updated it with the first episode or two of the second season, but then someone else took over.

I still cannot believe a major network aired this tv show. How could this ever happen again today?

Well, currently, there's Hannibal, which is just as fascinating in many of the same ways, and mind-boggling in that a major broadcast network is showing it.

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by AnamorphicWidescreen

I am definitely a "Peak head". I loved TP & watched the show during it's original broadcast, saw FWWM in the theatre back in '92

Same here.

and bought the Gold boxed DVD set when it came out in Fall 2007 (I avoided previous DVD sets since they didn't include the pilot).

I never did buy the Gold Box set. First time around, I bought the International Version of the pilot on LD and the big Japanese LD boxed set with all of the episodes absent the pilot. On DVD, I got the original Artisan Season 1 set (which had a DTS audio track) and a Hong Kong release of the International Version of the pilot. Later I got the CBS/Paramount Season 2 set.

[Oblivion138]

Originally Posted by EricJ

OTOH....we get the Shouting FBI Chief again. (YOU'LL HAVE TO SPEAK UP, HIS HEARING AID DOESN'T WORK, YUK YUK!)

It wasn't the floundering storylines that was sinking Season 2, it was Lynch starting to project a feeling of self-boredom, and that he was giving the tone of the episodes an almost contemptuous style of Wacky Sitcom Slapstick, as if he was starting to feel chained in by the series and trying to prove some point that eluded the rest of us. It was becoming a sort of combination of Lost Highway, mixed with those snarky Bob Rafelson episodes of the Monkees.
It ended up being a transition period between the atmospheric "Eerie" Lynch of Eraserhead and Blue Velvet, and the hysterical "Screaming-meemie" Lynch of Wild at Heart. Those who watched the last second-season TV episode might have a hint of the latter.

By the time we got FWWM, half the cast didn't come back, and what we got was a second-season reunion of the newer and B-characters. Sort of like if they'd done an X-Files movie from the last season of X-Files.

Very few members of the cast didn't come back...mostly, they ended up on the cutting room floor, when Lynch had to trim his initial 4+ hour cut down to a more reasonable length. And since FWWM is Laura's story, naturally many of the other characters were going to be sacrificed, since they had little or nothing to do with her murder until after the fact. And you don't need red herrings, either, in a film where the killer's identity is already known by the target audience.

The real problem with season 2 was that Lynch and Frost were forced to resolve the Laura Palmer storyline, and neither was happy about it, or very interested in where the story was headed after that forced revelation. Both stepped away for the bulk of the season (Lynch to make Wild at Heart), and in their general absence, the quality level dropped off until they became more involved again, toward the end of the season.

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by Oblivion138

Very much agreed. To me, the tone of FWWM is closest in tone to an episode like Lonely Souls (Episode 14)...which may very well be the most horrific thing ever squeezed into an hour time slot in a broadcast network's primetime line-up...

I had to look up that episode. I was pretty sure I knew which one you meant, but I'm not used to the cobbled-up titles they retroactively assigned to the episodes. Back in the day, they were just "Pilot", "Episode 1001-1007", and "Episode 2001-2022".

Anyway, I agree about that episode. The scene in the Roadhouse when the Giant appears to tell Cooper "It is happening again" is one of such transcendental sadness that it possibly remains unmatched by any other scene in a TV episode before or since. I still choke up whenever I hear Julee Cruise singing "The World Spins".

It's funny. Lynch always claimed that he never really wanted to resolve the mystery of Who Killed Laura Palmer, and it was only the impatience of the viewers that pushed ABC into pushing him for a resolution. And as much as I dislike that kind of "meddling", I just can't fathom not having the experience of watching that episode.

[Oblivion138]

Originally Posted by jayembee

I had to look up that episode. I was pretty sure I knew which one you meant, but I'm not used to the cobbled-up titles they retroactively assigned to the episodes. Back in the day, they were just "Pilot", "Episode 1001-1007", and "Episode 2001-2022".

Anyway, I agree about that episode. The scene in the Roadhouse when the Giant appears to tell Cooper "It is happening again" is one of such transcendental sadness that it possibly remains unmatched by any other scene in a TV episode before or since. I still choke up whenever I hear Julee Cruise singing "The World Spins".

It's funny. Lynch always claimed that he never really wanted to resolve the mystery of Who Killed Laura Palmer, and it was only the impatience of the viewers that pushed ABC into pushing him for a resolution. And as much as I dislike that kind of "meddling", I just can't fathom not having the experience of watching that episode.

Agreed. Though he was unhappy with having to resolve the Laura Palmer arc, and felt under the gun and over a barrel...damn, he delivered brilliantly, and the last few episodes of that arc left an indelible mark on probably everyone who saw them.

And yeah, I don't often use the "after the fact" titles, either, but sometimes (particularly when talking with people who discovered the show years later on video, DVD, or on cable reruns), it's easier than throwing out numbers. Of course, whereas the numbers might cause newer fans to pause and wonder, the titles have the same effect on old schoolers. So you just can't win. haha

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by EricJ

It wasn't the floundering storylines that was sinking Season 2, it was Lynch starting to project a feeling of self-boredom, and that he was giving the tone of the episodes an almost contemptuous style of Wacky Sitcom Slapstick

Funny you should put it that way. A year after the demise of Twin Peaks, ABC aired Lynch & Frost's next TV series, which was a Wacky Slapstick Sitcom called On the Air, a behind-the-scenes look at the production of a variety show during the Golden Age of Television. In one ad break during the pilot episode, a clip from the ep was shown with a voice-over that said, "You're probably asking yourself 'Is this the craziest thing I've ever seen on TV?'" (The right answer would be "yes".)

It was a flop, though. ABC aired only three of the seven episodes that were made. Fortunately, all seven were released on a Japanese LD.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by jayembee

Funny you should put it that way. A year after the demise of Twin Peaks, ABC aired Lynch & Frost's next TV series, which was a Wacky Slapstick Sitcom called On the Air, a behind-the-scenes look at the production of a variety show during the Golden Age of Television. In one ad break during the pilot episode, a clip from the ep was shown with a voice-over that said, "You're probably asking yourself 'Is this the craziest thing I've ever seen on TV?'" (The right answer would be "yes".)

And even included David L. "Squiggy" Lander, who had begun showing up in one or two TPS2 episodes.

Yes, On the Air was EXACTLY what I was thinking of. (That, and the "Ben's Civil War", "Weekend at Leo's" and "Miss Twin Peaks" subplots.)
That was a strange, strange phase for Lynch, but fortunately a brief one--It didn't last past that other series, and he was shortly afterwards into the "Hysteria" phase we know from his films today.

[jayembee]

I found my copy of a posting about Episode 14 (or Episode 2007 or "Lonely Souls") that appeared at that time in alt.tv.twin-peaks from a woman named Delia Cioffi. What she had to say was potent, and on the money:

Now I'm as analytical as the next TP-netter-junkie, and have consumed (and participated in) the data-driven theory building with glee. And I hope it continues. But last night's episode got to me in a "new" way, and it had to do with the way Coop's vulnerability was handled/portrayed.

There was something so overwhelmingly TRAGIC in those last roadhouse/Palmer house scenes. Cooper is NOT in control; he is incredibly canny, insightful, and astute, but he is not invulnerable to either spurious deductions or to the forces of the psyche---his own, or that of "the spirits" that permeate TP. Nor are we.

Those last 15 minutes plunged me into a terrible place. It's almost as if Coop had been "led" to the roadhouse NOT to receive critical clues about WKLP, nor to be given the information needed to save Maddy; the time was *past* where he could have done either in a timely fashion. The roadhouse was where he simply becomes *aware* of the extent of his impotence; of the things he was unable to affect.

It was DRAMATIC in the literal sense of the word; Donna and James may have been crying about Harold, but as the camera cut between Dona's wretched weeping---and Bobby's vague distress---and Cooper's awe----and Julie Cruise's mournful face---and the giant's gentle pity---and the waiter's decrepit dignity---the entire room became a huge receptacle for the most gut-wrenching type of mourning; the kind of grief that is tinged with a tragic inevitability and the pathos of human frailty. And it all ends with the red curtains of Cooper's dream world. For a moment, it no longer mattered what Donna was "really" crying about, or what Bobby was "really" thinking, or what the giant was "really" trying to say; whatever else was going on, all events were triangulating onto this expression of tragic
grief.

Christ... I don't usually talk like a demented Leo Busgalia, I really don't! And I know that there are counter-arguments and things that don't fit and other levels at which the events may be experienced. I guess my point is that for me, this episode *finally* made the "other level" of TP very real to me. I had heretofore been affected by images of that other (psychological? implicit? symbolic?) world, and enjoyed considering them----in a rather propositional way. But by the end of this episode, I was *experiencing* the show in this "other place" rather than just *analyzing* the show *as if* it transpired there.

I also happened on my old episode list where I came up with my own episode titles. If anyone's interested, I'll post them.

[jw007]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Have you watched fire Walk With Me? If not, I think you need to. I was blown away but it gets pretty disturbing so be warned.

Oops post above appeared while I wrote this.

I am going to try and watch FWWM right now actually via Apple TV. I'm betting I can purchase this movie on there and watch it right now. If I saw it, it must have been over a decade ago and I couldn't remember a darn thing.

[jw007]

I just have to add this bit of wishful thinking on my part... but... could you imagine if David Lynch had directed every episode? There were some other decent directors in the tv series (namely my other favorites were Tim Hunter and Lesli Linka Glatter), and I was surprised that actress Diane Keaton took a stab at directing one of the episodes too. On top of that, it was interesting to see that the Gyllenhaal father directed some episodes (Stephen Roark Gyllenhaal) as well as Zooey Deschanel's dad too (Caleb Deschanel).

One just could totally differentiate a Lynch-directed episode from another director for sure. I liked that some of the other directors tried to make their own episodes creepy too, in the vein of a David Lynch scene. As I kept watching the series, I kept looking forward to "who wrote this episode?" or "who directed this one?".

"Lonely Souls" is absolutely a terrifying episode for sure. I think "Arbitrary Law" is a really important episode as well. But "May the Giant Be with You" (Season 2's first episode) as well as the final one "Beyond Life and Death" are amazing book-ends in themselves.

BOB has got to be one of the most horrifying characters I've ever seen, and the power of his horrific character is only heightened when

[Show spoiler]viewers find out its not actually a real human being but a dark entity that possesses the souls of people (and ultimately steals them).

Amazing stuff.

[AnamorphicWidescreen]

One of the interesting & also WTF elements in the second season of Twin Peaks was the discussion/implication that aliens were involved with something going on in the town. I don't remember the specifics since it's been a while since I've seen the episode, but I do remember that this plot line didn't actually go anywhere...

Speaking of this alien/extraterrestrial element in TP: Being a big X-files fan, it was amusing that David Duchovny played a DEA agent in one of the episodes of TP; it was almost a strange pre-cursor to his role in X-files....

Originally Posted by jw007

BOB has got to be one of the most horrifying characters I've ever seen, and the power of his horrific character is only heightened when

[Show spoiler]viewers find out its not actually a real human being but a dark entity that possesses the souls of people (and ultimately steals them).

Yes, Bob was a truly horrific character on the show, especially the episode/scene when he's

[Show spoiler]crawling towards Laura in the living room

. When I first saw him, he truly scared me - and, I was already an adult when the show first aired...

[jw007]

Originally Posted by AnamorphicWidescreen

One of the interesting & also WTF elements in the second season of Twin Peaks was the discussion/implication that aliens were involved with something going on in the town. I don't remember the specifics since it's been a while since I've seen the episode, but I do remember that this plot line didn't actually go anywhere...

Speaking of this alien/extraterrestrial element in TP: Being a big X-files fan, it was amusing that David Duchovny played a DEA agent in one of the episodes of TP; it was almost a strange pre-cursor to his role in X-files....



Yes, Bob was a truly horrific character on the show, especially the episode/scene when he's

[Show spoiler]crawling towards Laura in the living room

. When I first saw him, he truly scared me - and, I was already an adult when the show first aired...

I was also an adult too when I first saw the show (and this was about...ummm...2 weeks ago!). It was a genius move casting this guy (Frank Silva) because he was apparently a set dresser and not supposed to be in the show at all. The guy doesn't look like an actor anyway. There are so many creepy moments with BOB, esp. in the last episode or so when

[Show spoiler]you see his hand come out of nowhere in the woods at night and then he comes out of this invisible portal (the black lodge).

I did find the irony crazy with Duchovney's transvestite character as it was just prior to him being Mulder in the X files. The alien subplot thing sure didn't go anywhere indeed, and on top of that, nothing came of fruition with the Major. One can only wonder if the black lodge was tied into extraterrestial energies.

[Show spoiler]Maybe BOB was a demonic alien entity or something too.

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