The Shield: The Complete Series (2002-2008)

[Batman90]

Originally Posted by slop101

If Ryan was so hands on with this release as he claimed, how could these edited episodes make it all the way through the process and end up in this "definitive" set?

He wasn’t he just said he was so it would sell more copies. He had his flunkies do the remastering and toke credit for it like most people like him. Jamie Cameron isn’t even involved in the remastering his movies he just looks at them and signs off on them like he did with T2 4K release.

[GiorgioV]

I believe the most appropriate answer to that question is something along the lines of "shit happens".
In this instance, you could definitely match that with that masterpiece of the American way of thinking that goes like "It is what it is". I just love them both (not kidding).

[The Sovereign]

Originally Posted by GiorgioV

I believe the most appropriate answer to that question is something along the lines of "shit happens".
In this instance, you could definitely match that with that masterpiece of the American way of thinking that goes like "It is what it is". I just love them both (not kidding).

I'm pretty sure that "shit happens" was ours too. But both concepts predate the US by a long stretch. See: c'est la vie

[GiorgioV]

Originally Posted by The Sovereign

I'm pretty sure that "shit happens" was ours too. But both concepts predate the US by a long stretch. See: c'est la vie

Yeah, I guess I just love the way it sounds when those concepts are expressed by an American

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by Batman90

He wasn’t he just said he was so it would sell more copies. He had his flunkies do the remastering and toke credit for it like most people like him. Jamie Cameron isn’t even involved in the remastering his movies he just looks at them and signs off on them like he did with T2 4K release.

Are you that daft? I guess so. Oh the outrage! Maybe now people will want OAR just like they want "complete" episodes, since, ya know, that's the way it was shot and aired. Kinda serves everyone right, and it's hilarious.

[rickah88]

So many broken records...so little time.

[Renascent]

Originally Posted by Arawn

[Show spoiler]

Not native Englishman, so I phrased what it wrong. You can see blood, but the movie should be less brutal than with an R rating.

But in regards to censorship, did Family Guy/South Park "censor" their Mohammed because of government pressure? If you "beep" out a South Park episode, the episode would be censored by definition no?

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

Maybe now people will want OAR just like they want "complete" episodes, since, ya know, that's the way it was shot and aired. Kinda serves everyone right, and it's hilarious.

Maybe you are delusional? Maybe people can feel different about the Seinfeld HD version and The Shield, even though they share similar issues? Maybe you are a hypocrite in terms of audio vs video? Maybe The Shield was filmed in a different way than Buffey, or Seinfeld for that matter?

[Batman90]

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

Are you that daft? I guess so. Oh the outrage! Maybe now people will want OAR just like they want "complete" episodes, since, ya know, that's the way it was shot and aired. Kinda serves everyone right, and it's hilarious.

Seem more people care that we got a censored version then the do about the OAR. It’s not like we missing any details with this set being Widescreen but we are missing scenes. If I wanted a censored version of a show or movie I would buy it from Europe. But unlike people in Europe I can handle watching violence. I don’t believe in censoredship of any kind.

[balthazar_bee]

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

Are you that daft? I guess so. Oh the outrage! Maybe now people will want OAR just like they want "complete" episodes, since, ya know, that's the way it was shot and aired. Kinda serves everyone right, and it's hilarious.

Bates, you often have on-point contributions to make to discussions, but your position on this matter has gone past "old man yells at cloud" into the realm of "old man yells at everyone in vicinity so they start to ignore him".

In all but the most rare of circumstances (offhand I can't even think of one), I'm all for preserving the original presentation of films and TV shows. And I would opt for that here in terms of OAR, if that were an option.

But really, for those of us who saw the show initially at 1.78:1 -- most of whom didn't even realize it wasn't the OAR -- do you expect us to storm the gates because we're not getting the opportunity to see less picture, particularly when Ryan has said he filmed it protecting that area, and now clearly wants it presented that way?

Is it reasonable to blow off seeing this, one of the greatest shows of all, with HD picture because you disagree with the aesthetic visual choice the creator made in regards to two of seven seasons?

Does your TV not have a 4:3 option? Mine does. It inserts grey space over top of the picture on the left and right, effectively recreating the original image. Would that not circumvent the need for all this righteous outrage?

You've clearly been tonguing this sore for a long time; now you're developing a full-blown schadenfreude infection that threatens to consume you whole. Removing footage from one of the most horrifying scenes in the show's amply horrifying history is not the same thing. It's not even roughly comparable, I'd say.

But I guess the cat will mew, etc. We all have to die on some hill. I won't die on this one -- not even because of the missing footage, although that's very troubling. Hopefully they fix it, but even if they don't, I'll move past it. By most accounts, it will be $150 Cdn well spent.

Because we're lucky to be getting a blu-ray release at all, and THIS SHOW IS BOSS.

[Jay Mammoth]

When this was announced did they announce that the uncut versions would be the ones included? Sounds like Shawn wanted the episodes as they originally aired on FX, is that what’s presented here, or were they edited?

[Renascent]

Originally Posted by Batman90

But unlike people in Europe I can handle watching violence. I don’t believe in censoredship of any kind.

The Shield was made on FX, premium cable. It would never have aired on ABC, NBC or the likes. Ofc you have to censor it if you want to sell it to other countries and have it aired on similar channels.

Originally Posted by Jay Mammoth

When this was announced did they announce that the uncut versions would be the ones included? Sounds like Shawn wanted the episodes as they originally aired on FX, is that what’s presented here, or were they edited?

TL;DR: He said he wanted it as aired. The fact that we have the US final (one episode, not two) points to that fact. However they used an european cut for some episodes which people are frowning on. From Shawn's answer on reddit it seems these cuts were never intended by him to be on the disc. I also read Shawn's answer that the original footage was remastered, but someone in the system might have opted to cut them like the EU version.
That is how I interpreted what he said.

He said he will look into the issue and have an answer next week.

[steve_dave]

I'm not going back pages to make a dozen quotes.

The missing footage is a big oversight. Shawn Ryan throwing under the rug is a big issue.

But the other elephant in the room is the Holiday break, Christmas and New Years in the USA mean companies close for a short term or cut back on staff.

Mill Creek is more than likely investigating the issue, they did so with Miami Vice & Hudson Hawk. But with the break and having to work with Sony who also is on a Holiday schedule, Mill Creek needs time.

In this age of instant gratification with social media and digital downloads, we forget that proper research takes time. You send a tweet to a social media account and that account is more than likely not in the same building as the company itself. So they have to investigate the problem.

Everyone is expecting an answer immediately when sometimes it just won't happen. Honestly, it could be Mill Creek's fault or it could be Sony's. But without time to investigate, Mill Creek gets impatient or exhausted by frequent requests and ends up doing the wrong thing which is ignoring people. That further enrages consumers but its a byproduct of the "instant gratification" generation.

The other byproduct of this instant gratification is speculation and myths and stories. We don't know if Sony provided the European cuts, the syndication cuts, the Michael Chiklis SAG cuts, or what. Again, that's up to Mill Creek to investigate and discuss with Sony.

But they need time. Time many people won't give because they were impatient to get a release with over 30 hours of content. The instant gratification generation then binge watched the entire set in a week because they had Holiday time off to do so. Can we extend that generiousity to Mill Creek? Its not a movie where two hours can be thoroughly investigated in a day, its a TV set and both Mill Creek & Sony want to make they don't have other mistakes they missed.

As for the OAR thing...

Friends, Wonder Woman, Hogan's Heroes all have been modified to 1.78. Its an unfortunate byproduct of the HDTV generation needing every pixel to be HD. It won't stop and Warner hasn't made any effort to correct Wonder Woman or Friends. And CBS only fixed framing errors with the 1.78 version fo Hogan's Heroes, they never provided the proper 1.33 in HD yet.

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by Renascent

The Shield was made on FX, premium cable. It would never have aired on ABC, NBC or the likes. Ofc you have to censor it if you want to sell it to other countries and have it aired on similar channels.




TL;DR: He said he wanted it as aired. The fact that we have the US final (one episode, not two) points to that fact. However they used an european cut for some episodes which people are frowning on. From Shawn's answer on reddit it seems these cuts were never intended by him to be on the disc. I also read Shawn's answer that the original footage was remastered, but someone in the system might have opted to cut them like the EU version.
That is how I interpreted what he said.

He said he will look into the issue and have an answer next week.

Cool thanks for the info. Just got done watching the series for the 1st time, it was great.

[jayembee]

The other issue is how much control Ryan had when it came to the AR. David Simon wanted The Wire to be kept in 4x3, but HBO insisted on 16x9. Their desires trumped his. Given that, he and his people put in the work of going frame by frame to make sure that the change in ratio impacted the overall viewability as less as possible.

If Sony insisted on 16x9 -- and only 16x9 -- for The Shield, that's why we're stuck with it. At least, unlike older shows, The Shield was protected for that ratio, and the result didn't involve cropping or horizontal stretching.

[Batman90]

Originally Posted by Renascent

The Shield was made on FX, premium cable. It would never have aired on ABC, NBC or the likes. Ofc you have to censor it if you want to sell it to other countries and have it aired on similar channels.




TL;DR: He said he wanted it as aired. The fact that we have the US final (one episode, not two) points to that fact. However they used an european cut for some episodes which people are frowning on. From Shawn's answer on reddit it seems these cuts were never intended by him to be on the disc. I also read Shawn's answer that the original footage was remastered, but someone in the system might have opted to cut them like the EU version.
That is how I interpreted what he said.

He said he will look into the issue and have an answer next week.

I understand that shows havebto be edited to be able to view in other countries but that doesn’t explain why we here in the USA not Europe got the European censored version. Besides there’s no excuse why it’s taking him this long to find out what happened the holidays are over. Shawn is just making his self looking more and more like a liar. He said he over seen the remastering himself episode by episode but he somehow missed that he censored the show. I call BS on that he had nothing to do with the remastering and just signed off on it when it was done he may have watched 1 episode but other then that he had nothing to do with the rest of the show.

[CouncilSpectre]

[DawnShadow]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

CBS only fixed framing errors with the 1.78 version fo Hogan's Heroes, they never provided the proper 1.33 in HD yet.

Please do explain how I come to have a 1.33:1 Blu-Ray set sitting beside me then.

[steve_dave]

Originally Posted by DawnShadow

Please do explain how I come to have a 1.33:1 Blu-Ray set sitting beside me then.

My mistake, I was unaware of a German Blu-ray set being released in the original AR. For the US, the HD broadcast versions are 1.78 and we weren’t graced with a Blu-ray release similar to the German set.

EDIT: It looks like the German release is through Universal Germany so either CBS made & provided HD masters to them or more realistically, Universal made these HD masters.

[phobicsquirrel]

Wtf, so is this missing scenes going to be fixed? Everyone was worried with mill creek and now we know they screwed this up. I was going to get this but not with missing scenes I'll stick with my dvds.

[Renascent]

Originally Posted by phobicsquirrel

Wtf, so is this missing scenes going to be fixed? Everyone was worried with mill creek and now we know they screwed this up. I was going to get this but not with missing scenes I'll stick with my dvds.

1) We don't know. Shawn said on reddit he will look into it. Eta next week.
2) Shawn said it wasn't a mill creek issue, until further notice.

Originally Posted by Batman90

that doesn’t explain why we here in the USA not Europe got the European censored version. Besides there’s no excuse why it’s taking him this long to find out what happened the holidays are over. Shawn is just making his self looking more and more like a liar. He said he over seen the remastering himself episode by episode but he somehow missed that he censored the show.

1) The way you phrase it make it sound like the entire version is EU cut, which is wrong!
2) Investigation can take some time. He wants to have the facts straight and not jump to conclusions like some people do on this board.
3) Like I said in my earlier post; it is possible the entire US version got remastered, but someone else optef for a cut version and didnt tell Shawn. That is just my theory, but for now I'll give him benefit of the doubt. He was warned about the issue only a couple of days ago.