Top Gun: Maverick 4K UHD (2022)

[MuffinMcFluffin]

Originally Posted by Jonathan McLeod

When are we going to stop panicking about audio based on streaming versions?

My only panic is that someday we won't have any option but shitty streaming.

[b_scott]

Originally Posted by MuffinMcFluffin

My only panic is that someday we won't have any option but shitty streaming.

by the time that discs are no longer pressed, we will be in an era of full bit streaming.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by b_scott

by the time that discs are no longer pressed, we will be in an era of full bit streaming.

Eh, let's hope so. Or will the companies do what they always do and use more bandwidth to just squirt more stuff at the same quality down the pipe?

[wright96d]

Originally Posted by Jonathan McLeod

When are we going to stop panicking about audio based on streaming versions?

The streaming versions are usually the exact same mix and master as the Blu-ray, just lossy. At least, in the ones that I've compared myself. EEAAO, for example, has just as much LFE punch on streaming as it does on Blu-ray. Literally no difference.

[Jonathan McLeod]

Originally Posted by wright96d

The streaming versions are usually the exact same mix and master as the Blu-ray, just lossy. At least, in the ones that I've compared myself. EEAAO, for example, has just as much LFE punch on streaming as it does on Blu-ray. Literally no difference.

I don't have my system set up to stream in surround, only blu-rays get 5.1, but I can't keep count of the number of threads I've seen panic about the bass being totally neutered compared to the theatrical release based on people listening to the streaming version, only for the disc to be absolutely fine.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Eh, let's hope so. Or will the companies do what they always do and use more bandwidth to just squirt more stuff at the same quality down the pipe?

You'll have to spend a bagillion dollars to Kalaidescape or some similar company to get disc quality downloads on a closed-loop NAS setup. That's my bet.


It'll be crappy streaming or 1-percenter gear with no other choice. The trouble is, all the tracks on the 1-percenter downloads will be optimized for soundbars.

[MuffinMcFluffin]

Not only that, but if streaming corners the home video market as a monopoly, no competition means no quality control or oversight. The only reason streaming needs close to UHD quality right now is because UHD is still an option for others to purchase. Once that goes, what makes you think they won't cut costs on bitrates and masters?

[wright96d]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

You'll have to spend a bagillion dollars to Kalaidescape or some similar company to get disc quality downloads on a closed-loop NAS setup. That's my bet.


It'll be crappy streaming or 1-percenter gear with no other choice. The trouble is, all the tracks on the 1-percenter downloads will be optimized for soundbars.

The hope is that once physical media dies out, there will be services other than Kaleidescape that have streams/downloads of such quality. Not that I think it's very likely, it's very unlikely, but it could happen. Especially in like 20-30 years when enough people actually have internet fast enough for that kind of bandwidth. I think the only true barrier to something like that existing on a large scale is encryption, so maybe if they can figure that out, we'll actually get it.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by b_scott

by the time that discs are no longer pressed, we will be in an era of full bit streaming.

Originally Posted by wright96d

The hope is that once physical media dies out, there will be services other than Kaleidescape that have streams/downloads of such quality. Not that I think it's very likely, it's very unlikely, but it could happen. Especially in like 20-30 years when enough people actually have internet fast enough for that kind of bandwidth. I think the only true barrier to something like that existing on a large scale is encryption, so maybe if they can figure that out, we'll actually get it.

What exactly is the incentive for this for anyone involved? The masses dont give a crap about lower bitrate and it costs more money to stream when the filesize is larger, this will always be the case. We still dont see "full bit" streaming of even 1080p releases.

[fabio_p]

Anyone knows of the UK amaray comes with a slipcover?
According to this site the US edition does, but no mention of a slip on UK product page.

Hope to match it with the 1986 UK slipcase on the shelf

[wright96d]

Originally Posted by Ruined

What exactly is the incentive for this for anyone involved? The masses dont give a crap about lower bitrate and it costs more money to stream when the filesize is larger, this will always be the case. We still dont see "full bit" streaming of even 1080p releases.

????????

You could say the same damn thing about Kscape, yet that exists. I'm not saying that I expect streaming services to switch to high bitrate encoding. The switch to AV1 is on the horizon, and it's only going to drive bitrates lower. My point was that a service like Kscape could exist. At some time in the distant future.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by wright96d

The hope is that once physical media dies out, there will be services other than Kaleidescape that have streams/downloads of such quality.

If there isn't enough people to support physical media then there's not enough to support that kind of quality streaming service. If Kaleidescape folded tomorrow I would not be surprised.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

If there isn't enough people to support physical media then there's not enough to support that kind of quality streaming service. If Kaleidescape folded tomorrow I would not be surprised.

I still don't know how Kaleidescape has stayed in business for all these years, in the first place... With proprietary hardware locked behind DRM

[wright96d]

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

I still don't know how Kaleidescape has stayed in business for all these years, in the first place... With proprietary hardware locked behind DRM

That's likely the only reason. That combined with the price tag.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by wright96d

The hope is that once physical media dies out, there will be services other than Kaleidescape that have streams/downloads of such quality. Not that I think it's very likely, it's very unlikely, but it could happen. Especially in like 20-30 years when enough people actually have internet fast enough for that kind of bandwidth. I think the only true barrier to something like that existing on a large scale is encryption, so maybe if they can figure that out, we'll actually get it.

The encryption part they already figured out. KScape works as a closed system where all the encryption keys are tied to that system. If you sell your hardware, you cannot sell your movie files.


They will only do as good or better than purchased disc downloads as a generic service if studios, movie file distribution companies, and electronics manufacturers all comply with iron clad DRM rules just as they all did with setting up the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA).

[wright96d]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

The encryption part they already figured out. KScape works as a closed system where all the encryption keys are tied to that system. If you sell your hardware, you cannot sell your movie files.

I know that, I mean a different service. One that isn't tied to a $10,000 NAS.

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

They will only do as good or better than purchased disc downloads as a generic service if studios, movie file distribution companies, and electronics manufacturers all comply with iron clad DRM rules just as they all did with setting up the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA).

Yeah, and that turned out great for them.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by wright96d

I know that, I mean a different service. One that isn't tied to a $10,000 NAS.

Yeah, and that turned out great for them.

For a while it did.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by wright96d

????????

You could say the same damn thing about Kscape, yet that exists. I'm not saying that I expect streaming services to switch to high bitrate encoding. The switch to AV1 is on the horizon, and it's only going to drive bitrates lower. My point was that a service like Kscape could exist. At some time in the distant future.

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

If there isn't enough people to support physical media then there's not enough to support that kind of quality streaming service. If Kaleidescape folded tomorrow I would not be surprised.

Originally Posted by MisterXDTV

I still don't know how Kaleidescape has stayed in business for all these years, in the first place... With proprietary hardware locked behind DRM

Originally Posted by wright96d

That's likely the only reason. That combined with the price tag.

Its also because Kaleidescape isnt streaming but rather uses downloads - which are far easier and less expensive to serve because they can be delivered at a rate far slower than peak bitrate without disruption. On the other hand, with streaming if you are far slower than peak bitrate there are going to be big disruptions which people wont tolerate - that bandwidth aint cheap.

[birdztudio]

Originally Posted by Jonathan McLeod

When are we going to stop panicking about audio based on streaming versions?

this

[MuffinMcFluffin]

Originally Posted by birdztudio

this

Well back to one of my points but with a new version of it, this may speak more to why they neuter the streaming audio in the first place. Bitrate aside, they cater to the soundbar/headphone/laptop speaker crowd rather than the HT enthusiasts.

Disney is already doing this and has been for a decade, so it's not unreasonable to think others may do the same later.