Official Denon Owners Thread

[RockyIII]

Question:
Have any of you guys experimented with Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume on your Denon?

[hometheatergeek]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

If is not the same for everyone, why are you telling me that my setup is wrong without ear it? You proved my point, even if is not the science specs as you said, my ears says it is good. 60hz at fronts, is giving me better audio than 80hz. Why will I go with 80 if is giving me bad audio to my ears, because science?



Ah,
For the center and surround maybe 60hz is too low, true. Be set at 80hz today. BUT, towers can handle low to 30hz. so will stay at 60hz if 80hz doesn't give me that good sound.

I never said your setup is wrong. I was just pointing you to a thread that might help you understand better how bass management should be done

[Yoe-f30]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Question:
Have any of you guys experimented with Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume on your Denon?

I won't say anything free off charge.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

I won't say anything free off charge.

I did not ask for help or advise, just to exchange personal experience

[Yoe-f30]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I did not ask for help or advise, just to exchange personal experience

Was a jk dude.

Either way here are my settings and Dynamic volume is off & D EQ on. If I turn on Dy volume, I don't get good sound.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

Was a jk dude.

Either way here are my settings and Dynamic volume is off & D EQ on. If I turn on Dy volume, I don't get good sound.

Thanks. Dont you feel as if DynEQ takes away from the soundtrack, making everything sound too unnatural and changing the original audio of voices and objects somewhat?

[Yoe-f30]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Thanks. Dont you feel as if DynEQ takes away from the soundtrack, making everything sound too unnatural and changing the original audio of voices and objects somewhat?

When I turn off, the bass and volume goes away, not quality at all.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

When I turn off, the bass and volume goes away, not quality at all.

I am confused, the volume should be a matter of adjusting master volume...Have you tried to disable DynEQ, turn up master volume some, and see how that compares?

[ndsam]

Originally Posted by Yoe-f30

Was a jk dude.

Either way here are my settings and Dynamic volume is off & D EQ on. If I turn on Dy volume, I don't get good sound.

I noticed your center channel in the pic. How did you put it there is it on a stand? mounted to wall? on a shelf?

[BobbyMcGee]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Question:
Have any of you guys experimented with Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume on your Denon?

I have a Denon 910 AVR and here are my go to settings:

MultEQ: Reference
Dynamic EQ: On
-Reference Level Offset: 0dB
Dynamic Volume: Light
CinemaEQ: Off

The setting that makes a HUGE difference for me is "Dynamic Volume". When set to "Light", the sound from my speakers, especially from my center channel speaker, improves dramatically. Setting it to "Medium" or "Heavy" does not result in the same dramatic improvement.

For example, I recently acquired the "Aqualung" box-set that includes a Blu-ray audio disc. Earlier in the week I sat down and listened to it and it sounded amazing. Then, yesterday my girlfriend sat down and listened to it with me and the center channel speaker sounded much lower in volume relative to the other speakers using the 5.1 DTS mix. My girlfriend even commented that her hearing must be going because she could hardly hear the center channel. It was late and I was tired so I didn't put much thought into but it did bother me. So today, I sat down and re-listened to it while reviewing my settings. I realized that for some reason "Dynamic Volume" was set to "Off". I reset it to "Light" and lo and behold the DTS 5.1 mix on Aqualung sounded amazing again. I had my girlfriend sit down and re-listen to it with me and she agreed that it sounded way better than the previous night.

Also, this one may sound odd, but even if I have "Dialogue Adjust" turned to on with the dB adjust set to "0"(zero), that still makes a difference in the volume of my center channel speaker. With "Dialogue Adjust" set to "Off", my center channel speaker sounds a bit lower and blends in a bit too much for my taste with the rest of my speakers. For films with loud effects, I usually set "Dialogue Adjust" to +3dB in order to improve clarity for dialogue relative to the sound effects.

[Yoe-f30]

Originally Posted by ndsam

I noticed your center channel in the pic. How did you put it there is it on a stand? mounted to wall? on a shelf?

On a shelf.

[shrex]

Does anyone with a Denon thats meant to run speakers for 6-8ohm ran 4ohm speakers on it? I'm currently running -Denon x2200w with Polk Monitor 60's as my fronts, 30's as my rears and a CS1/2 center(I forget which). I'm looking to test out the Andrew Jones Pioneer Elite series w/ Atmos. I'm afraid running the 4ohm speakers may be pushing the Denon too hard. Is that a myth or will I just not be able to push them as hard as say a 6ohm or 8ohm receiver??

[JimShaw]

Originally Posted by shrex

Does anyone with a Denon thats meant to run speakers for 6-8ohm ran 4ohm speakers on it? I'm currently running -Denon x2200w with Polk Monitor 60's as my fronts, 30's as my rears and a CS1/2 center(I forget which). I'm looking to test out the Andrew Jones Pioneer Elite series w/ Atmos. I'm afraid running the 4ohm speakers may be pushing the Denon too hard. Is that a myth or will I just not be able to push them as hard as say a 6ohm or 8ohm receiver??

The BEST thing you can do is call Denon and ask the techs. They are agreat and will work with you until all is good and answered..

Go direct to the horses mouth vs a third party expert.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by BobbyMcGee

I have a Denon 910 AVR and here are my go to settings:

MultEQ: Reference
Dynamic EQ: On
-Reference Level Offset: 0dB
Dynamic Volume: Light
CinemaEQ: Off

The setting that makes a HUGE difference for me is "Dynamic Volume". When set to "Light", the sound from my speakers, especially from my center channel speaker, improves dramatically. Setting it to "Medium" or "Heavy" does not result in the same dramatic improvement.

For example, I recently acquired the "Aqualung" box-set that includes a Blu-ray audio disc. Earlier in the week I sat down and listened to it and it sounded amazing. Then, yesterday my girlfriend sat down and listened to it with me and the center channel speaker sounded much lower in volume relative to the other speakers using the 5.1 DTS mix. My girlfriend even commented that her hearing must be going because she could hardly hear the center channel. It was late and I was tired so I didn't put much thought into but it did bother me. So today, I sat down and re-listened to it while reviewing my settings. I realized that for some reason "Dynamic Volume" was set to "Off". I reset it to "Light" and lo and behold the DTS 5.1 mix on Aqualung sounded amazing again. I had my girlfriend sit down and re-listen to it with me and she agreed that it sounded way better than the previous night.

Also, this one may sound odd, but even if I have "Dialogue Adjust" turned to on with the dB adjust set to "0"(zero), that still makes a difference in the volume of my center channel speaker. With "Dialogue Adjust" set to "Off", my center channel speaker sounds a bit lower and blends in a bit too much for my taste with the rest of my speakers. For films with loud effects, I usually set "Dialogue Adjust" to +3dB in order to improve clarity for dialogue relative to the sound effects.

But dont you feel that using both DynEQ and DynVol the way you do alters the way the original soundtrack was meant to sound? All that does is make sound effects that were meant to be heard at a lower volume sound louder, as master volume moves below reference level.
Basically you run the risk of altering the natural sound of voices and objects: a light object falling on the ground may sound louder than what it should be, whereas a person screaming out loud might sound lower than it should

[tezster]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

But dont you feel that using both DynEQ and DynVol the way you do alters the way the original soundtrack was meant to sound? All that does is make sound effects that were meant to be heard at a lower volume sound louder, as master volume moves below reference level.
Basically you run the risk of altering the natural sound of voices and objects: a light object falling on the ground may sound louder than what it should be, whereas a person screaming out loud might sound lower than it should

It's not all about absolute loudness, but also how a person perceives relative differences in volume, as well as how ideal their home theater has been setup. If you're watching a movie at reference level, then great, there are absolutely no changes that need to be made. But how many people watch movies at reference levels at home? I'm pretty sure most people don't. DynEq aims to preserve that feeling of watching at reference at lower volumes.

Let's say you're watching a movie at -25Mv. It's still pretty loud, and you can hear dialog and action sequences clearly. But what about a barely perceptible pin drop on one of the surround channels? Apply a straight -25dB reduction to that signal might mean that it's not heard as clearly (or maybe even missed entirely), so DynEQ aims to "fix" that by boosting that signal.

In a home environment, it's also not always completely silent i.e. there can be a relatively high noise floor. You could have an open areawith a lot of hard, reflective surfaces, maybe you can hear the A/C or fridge when it's running, etc... all of which drown out quieter sounds when watching a movie.

I personally don't find DynEQ distracting, but as for DynVol, I don't use it when watching blu-ray, but I do for casual TV watching. Even at the light setting, I find that it compresses the dynamic range too much.

Having said all that you can reduce the effect of DynEq by modifying the reference level offset if you find that it's too strong.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by tezster

It's not all about absolute loudness, but also how a person perceives relative differences in volume, as well as how ideal their home theater has been setup. If you're watching a movie at reference level, then great, there are absolutely no changes that need to be made. But how many people watch movies at reference levels at home? I'm pretty sure most people don't. DynEq aims to preserve that feeling of watching at reference at lower volumes.

Let's say you're watching a movie at -25Mv. It's still pretty loud, and you can hear dialog and action sequences clearly. But what about a barely perceptible pin drop on one of the surround channels? Apply a straight -25dB reduction to that signal might mean that it's not heard as clearly (or maybe even missed entirely), so DynEQ aims to "fix" that by boosting that signal....

In a home environment, it's also not always completely silent i.e. there can be a relatively high noise floor. You could have an open areawith a lot of hard, reflective surfaces, maybe you can hear the A/C or fridge when it's running, etc... all of which drown out quieter sounds when watching a movie.

I personally don't find DynEQ distracting, but as for DynVol, I don't use it when watching blu-ray, but I do for casual TV watching. Even at the light setting, I find that it compresses the dynamic range too much.

Having said all that you can reduce the effect of DynEq by modifying the reference level offset if you find that it's too strong.

You make great points...But those dynamic modes are usually used for late night watching or when others at home are sleeping. That means that loudness will be altered in unrealistic ways: a bomb going off will sound low volume whereas even a pin dropping will sound too loud and non-realistic...Basically it will do anything to make naturally louder sounds less loud, and naturally lower sounds louder

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[solarrdadd]

but if the user/owner likes that "altered" sound, then, how can that be wrong for them? don't you have your gear setup for the way it sounds best for you?

I do understand what your getting at, so, don't get me wrong, its just starting to sound slightly preachy/judgmental. kinda like the toe in toe out speaker argument.

like I said, I understand, but I also think that folks more times than not, have things the way they like it. it's ok to ask if they have ever tried something a different way and explain how you like it that way and perhaps they will try it and either like it or not.

I've just seen this similar questioning across another thread and had to comment.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

but if the user/owner likes that "altered" sound, then, how can that be wrong for them? don't you have your gear setup for the way it sounds best for you?

I do understand what your getting at, so, don't get me wrong, its just starting to sound slightly preachy/judgmental. kinda like the toe in toe out speaker argument.

like I said, I understand, but I also think that folks more times than not, have things the way they like it. it's ok to ask if they have ever tried something a different way and explain how you like it that way and perhaps they will try it and either like it or not.

I've just seen this similar questioning across another thread and had to comment.

I am not judging, just wondering why the fact that sounds are not reproduced realistically with Dynamic modes was not mentioned. Yes you will be able to hear minor sound effects clearer, but you will also notice that sounds that are supposed to be loud are somewhat muted (so that you won't wake up your neighbors LOL)

[solarrdadd]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I am not judging, just wondering why the fact that sounds are not reproduced realistically with Dynamic modes was not mentioned. Yes you will be able to hear minor sound effects clearer, but you will also notice that sounds that are supposed to be loud are somewhat muted (so that you won't wake up your neighbors LOL)

cool, but, sometimes, there are reasons why we do have things the way we have things like the reason you mentioned at the end as well as other family members in the house or apartment.

not everyone has a soundproofed/treated room so, these features are very nice to have and they don't truly "molest" the audio in quality or modify it in such a way that you can't recognize it from the original.

kinda like how I understand many people claim to love to listen to the movie at "reference level" and I've heard that in my place, my skull and ear drums are still healing nicely from volume that high. it's not for me, it's too loud, I can barely stand it beyond 60. but, if others love it that way, then it's great for them. not listening at that volume doesn't change my enjoyment of it for me, but, I'm speaking for me.

but again, I do understand where your coming from and I respect it.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

cool, but, sometimes, there are reasons why we do have things the way we have things like the reason you mentioned at the end as well as other family members in the house or apartment.

not everyone has a soundproofed/treated room so, these features are very nice to have and they don't truly "molest" the audio in quality or modify it in such a way that you can't recognize it from the original.

kinda like how I understand many people claim to love to listen to the movie at "reference level" and I've heard that in my place, my skull and ear drums are still healing nicely from volume that high. it's not for me, it's too loud, I can barely stand it beyond 60. but, if others love it that way, then it's great for them. not listening at that volume doesn't change my enjoyment of it for me, but, I'm speaking for me.

but again, I do understand where your coming from and I respect it.

Dont get me wrong, after 10PM I too have no choice but to play everything at -25dB (or lower), so I am also guilty of using the evil Dynamic modes oftentime myself