Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I can run "data wiring"; it most definitely is an easy task. It isn't quantum mechanics to route a wire from one place to another, even behind the drywall. Anyone who can wire a multi-channel home theater can handle this task.

If you can do it, then it is indeed child's play.

You're right it's not Rocket Science, but have you ever done it? If not I always suggest getting someone that has to help out, hire a Professional. I worked my way up in the Telco Industry Wiring Phones, and then did Contract Work on Phone and Data Systems. Data Wiring has 8 Leads, and the Wall Jacks and Terminations are either T-568A or T-568B. You only need 4 Leads for Transmit and Recieve, but they have to be the right ones. So Toning Out and Testing are involved, it's real easy to have problems unless you have done it before.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You're right it's not Rocket Science, but have you ever done it? If not I always suggest getting someone that has to help out, hire a Professional. I worked my way up in the Telco Industry Wiring Phones, and then did Contract Work on Phone and Data Systems. Data Wiring has 8 Leads, and the Wall Jacks and Terminations are either T-568A or T-568B. You ony need 4 Leads for Transmit and Recieve, but they have to be the right ones. So Toning Out and Testing is involved, it's real easy to have problems unless you have done it before.

Yes, I have done it. I have set-up home networks, wired/ wireless, for myself and for others.

I do the easiest thing first and the easiest is wireless. If there are no issues, then I leave it at that. As for streaming videos, even 4K videos, a wireless network has always performed just fine for me. Most people stream over wireless networks without any trouble at all. Even my software engineer/ CIO friend does it this way. My systems programmer friend at the local university does it this way, too. Every single person I know who works in computer technology in any capacity uses a wireless network for streaming videos in their home. Why? Because it works great and it is the simplest to set-up.

When I still played console games online, then having a wired connection was preferred, not essential, but I am strictly a pc gamer now and my pc is hardwired with overkill Cat7 ethernet cable. All of my gaming friends have their rigs hard wired.

If wireless proves to be unreliable in a given person's home, then by all means they should go all hard-wired. If they are a console gamer, then go hard-wired if wireless fails to perform well. My wireless network works great (ISP permitting) for streaming videos and that is with my older Netgear dual band N router. If that ceases to be the case, I will get off my arse and hard wire everything...again.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Data Wiring has 8 Leads

All of mine are 9 leads because I only use shielded cable which has a “drain” wire for the shield.

Toning Out and Testing is involved

Easy to do, even with a cheap device like this and it test the shield as well as the data lines.

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by Vilya

When I still played console games online, then having a wired connection was preferred, but I am strictly a pc gamer now and my pc is hardwired with overkill Cat7 ethernet cable. All of my gaming friends have their rigs hard wired.

I'm a PC gamer as well and use a wireless adapter on my PC. Granted, I primarily play single player games. But when I do play multiplayer I have never had any issues.

My son plays Fortnite daily on his Xbox One S using wifi and has no problems either. I agree hard wired is preferable, but neither of us have experienced any problems playing on wifi.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Ender14

I'm a PC gamer as well and use a wireless adapter on my PC. Granted, I primarily play single player games. But when I do play multiplayer I have never had any issues.

My son plays Fortnite daily on his Xbox One S using wifi and has no problems either. I agree hard wired is preferable, but neither of us have experienced any problems playing on wifi.

Exactly. For most people in most situations, a wireless network performs great, even for gaming. My pc is hard wired because it is a mere 4 feet away from my router. It was easy to provide it with the ideal connection. I could probably go wireless with it and I likely would not notice any performance difference even if I moved it far away from my router. My tablet remains connected to my network even when I am using it at a neighbor's house.

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

IIRC, it has been mentioned that Oppo is exiting the UHD BD market and that is true. Their exit was used as an example that folks no longer supported physical media. For folks that believe it to be true, care to comment on 3 new high end UHD BD players being brought to market. Panasonic thread here and Pioneer thread here.

Oppo wasn't moving players because they are cost prohibitive. It doesn't point to a decline in physical media sales.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

Oppo wasn't moving players because they are cost prohibitive.

So that explains why they are selling ≥ $1000.00 on eBay . Have you checked the price of the new Panasonic models and the new Pioneer model?

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Vilya

There is a new thread reporting that Walmart might be getting into the subscription streaming business and it would possibly be priced at less than $8 per month. There might also be a free service supported by ads. It will be interesting to see if this actually happens and what effect it will have on existing subscription streaming services.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...81&postcount=1

I don't see it happening. They already do free movies on VUDU itself.

The digital market is getting too saturated.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Exactly. For most people in most situations, a wireless network performs great, even for gaming. My pc is hard wired because it is a mere 4 feet away from my router. It was easy to provide it with the ideal connection. I could probably go wireless with it and I likely would not notice any performance difference even if I moved it far away from my router. My tablet remains connected to my network even when I am using it at a neighbor's house.

Originally Posted by Ender14

I'm a PC gamer as well and use a wireless adapter on my PC. Granted, I primarily play single player games. But when I do play multiplayer I have never had any issues.

My son plays Fortnite daily on his Xbox One S using wifi and has no problems either. I agree hard wired is preferable, but neither of us have experienced any problems playing on wifi.

That's great if Wireless works for you guys, but I just see more and more Streaming Providers showing up and WalMart wants to get into the Subscription Business. That means Bandwidths are going up especially with UHD, and to get that Consistent Stream nothing beats Wired. People do love their Wireless for that Easy Clean Look. Like I said, I don't see any Degradation in my PQ but probably you Wireless guys do. Even though you don't get any Buffering your PQ may suffer with Wireless. If it doesn't then more power to you Wireless Guys!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

That's great if Wireless works for you guys, but I just see more and more Streaming Providers showing up and WalMart wants to get into the Subscription Business. That means Bandwidths are going up especially with UHD, and to get that Consistent Stream nothing beats Wired. People do love their Wireless for that Easy Clean Look. Like I said, I don't see any Degradation in my PQ but probably you Wireless guys do. Even though you don't get any Buffering your PQ may suffer with Wireless. If it doesn't then more power to you Wireless Guys!

If I had problems streaming over a wireless network I would simply switch to a wired one. Anyone else would likely do the same.

We are not "slumming" with our wireless networks; they work great, so there is no need to change anything. Ain't broke, don't fix it.

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

So that explains why they are selling ≥ $1000.00 on eBay . Have you checked the price of the new Panasonic models and the new Pioneer model?

Yes, thanks to your links I have and I’d probably still pass on them despite them being top of the line. I just can’t justify the cost as stonesfan129 pointed out. I’ll eventually upgrade to 4K equipment once my families needs are smaller than my wants. Who knows, by that time it might be the next step in the leading tech.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Just did a check of my wirless N on my tablet and it shows 86 mbps, then I connected using wireless AC and it shows 433 mbps. My ISP is only 25 mbps.

A poster at AVS said the Sony X800 had problems playing some 4K rips (>110 mbps) via wired because the X800 is 100 mbps wired so he switched the X800 to wireless AC and said it played the same files without problems.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

I just can’t justify the cost as stonesfan129 pointed out.

Understood, UHD/4K is still a costly endeavor.

If Dolby Vision is not a requirement then the Sony UBP-X800 was recently selling for about $160.00. Some have complained about problems with their X800. Mine has hung a couple of times but not after the last firmware update. I do not play many disc on it, used mostly for uh, umm, streaming .

Edit: Now back to $248.00

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Understood, UHD/4K is still a costly endeavor.

If Dolby Vision is not a requirement then the Sony UBP-X800 was recently selling for about $160.00. Some have complained about problems with their X800. Mine has hung a couple of times but not after the last firmware update. I do not play many disc on it, used mostly for uh, umm, streaming .

Edit: Now back to $248.00

For sure. My KS doesn’t support DV. So not a necessity for me at the moment. Unfortunately I didn’t have great luck with Samsung players in the past. I upgraded to a Sony when they were on sale at Costco. For me, Theyve always provided a solid product in our BD players. So I’d be willing to take that leap again once I upgrade to 4K. I just have to explain to my wife I need a nice player and separate gaming system once my attic project is done.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

For sure. My KS doesn’t support DV. So not a necessity for me at the moment. Unfortunately I didn’t have great luck with Samsung players in the past. I upgraded to a Sony when they were on sale at Costco. For me, Theyve always provided a solid product in our BD players. So I’d be willing to take that leap again once I upgrade to 4K. I just have to explain to my wife I need a nice player and separate gaming system once my attic project is done.

Can’t go wrong with Sony. I had a DVD player for 18 years (I gave it to my sister) it was the 735 with a brushed metal finish, the smoothest disc tray I have ever had, a jog shuttle remote that allowed 1 frame advance backwards and forwards and all the audio connections you could dream of. It was a beast although it cost £450, it was worth every penny. My sister still watches stuff on it now so that’s 20 years and counting.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Can’t go wrong with Sony. I had a DVD player for 18 years (I gave it to my sister) it was the 735 with a brushed metal finish, the smoothest disc tray I have ever had, a jog shuttle remote that allowed 1 frame advance backwards and forwards and all the audio connections you could dream of. It was a beast although it cost £450, it was worth every penny. My sister still watches stuff on it now so that’s 20 years and counting.

I honestly can't remember the model number, but it sounds exactly like my first DVD player from Sony. I bought it around the year 2000 and I seem to recall paying nearly £500 for it, so it may well be the very same model as yours. A cracking player for sure - I hope I can get the same good service out of my X-800 Blu-ray.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by CV19

I honestly can't remember the model number, but it sounds exactly like my first DVD player from Sony. I bought it around the year 2000 and I seem to recall paying nearly £500 for it, so it may well be the very same model as yours. A cracking player for sure - I hope I can get the same good service out of my X-800 Blu-ray.

735D I think. It was Sony’s Flagship. It was a tank like the Pioneer players that came along a few years after that. You could even save screenshots and use them as your wallpaper when you boot the player up. It was so cool.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Can’t go wrong with Sony.

Brings back memories , my first DVD player was the Sony DVP-S7000 purchased around August-September 1997 for about $1100.00 US. Gave it to kin about 12 years ago and AFAIK, they still use it.

I would like to take a moment and point out to folks that I have purchased a lot of expensive equipment because I have been an audio/videophile since highschool. My career job did not pay all that well in the South so I did lots of odd jobs to support my habit . For most of my life I have performed most of my automotive repairs and maintenance, did most of my plumbing, electrical, painting, roofing, you name it, in order to save money. Saved for 10 years doing commercial office cleaning in order to purchase my second projector, a JVC DILA-H1A in 2004. Because of savings, IRA’s, investments, etc. I no longer have to do some of things I used to do.

IMO, expensive equipment can be a relative term, example paid $600.00 in 1972 for a Crown DC-300 audio amplifier. It has been in use almost everyday for 45 years. Have a Crown PS-400 and 3 Hafler amplifiers that are 35 years old and still in use.

@Steedeel: If you looked at any of my media room photo’s on my Facebook page just know the spouse and I did all the construction of that room including the walls, 19" equipment racks, drapes, design and building 7 of 13 loudspeakers, etc. We did hire folks to hang some of the drywall and install the carpet.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Brings back memories , my first DVD player was the Sony DVP-S7000 purchased around August-September 1997 for about $1100.00 US. Gave it to kin about 12 years ago and AFAIK, they still use it.

I would like to take a moment and point out to folks that I have purchased a lot of expensive equipment because I have been an audio/videophile since highschool. My career job did not pay all that well in the South so I did lots of odd jobs to support my habit . For most of my life I have performed most of my automotive repairs and maintenance, did most of my plumbing, electrical, painting, roofing, you name it, in order to save money. Saved for 10 years doing commercial office cleaning in order to purchase my second projector, a JVC DILA-H1A in 2004. Because of savings, IRA’s, investments, etc. I no longer have to do some of things I used to do.

IMO, expensive equipment can be a relative term, example paid $600.00 in 1972 for a Crown DC-300 audio amplifier. It has been in use almost everyday for 45 years. Have a Crown PS-400 and 3 Hafler amplifiers that are 35 years old and still in use.

@Steedeel: If you looked at any of my media room photo’s on my Facebook page just know the spouse and I did all the construction of that room including the walls, 19" equipment racks, drapes, design and building 7 of 13 loudspeakers, etc. We did hire folks to hang some of the drywall and install the carpet.

You are hardcore. Impressive stuff.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

735D I think. It was Sony’s Flagship. It was a tank like the Pioneer players that came along a few years after that. You could even save screenshots and use them as your wallpaper when you boot the player up. It was so cool.

I bought the Sony HX-900 DVD recorder back in 2004 and is still in use. Like the 735D, it had a brushed metal finish and was a heavy and solid machine. The built-in hard drive still works perfectly, but occasionally when dubbing from the hard-drive onto a DVD, it can sometimes switch itself off partway through - a shame, but I must have copied hundreds of discs on it through the years.