Dunkirk 4K UHD (2017)

[gates70]

So why no ATMOS?

[Show spoiler]

[returnofthemack]

I’ve pretty much zeroed in on Dunkirk as my first UHD purchase. Can’t wait to see it.

[lemonski]

Is the individual release confirmed anywhere as being 3 discs? I just assumed it would be the same as the Nolan Collection Dunkirk (3 discs, right?) but then I see Amazon specs say 2 discs...

Don't want to get any nasty surprises if I go down the individual releases route for all the Nolan 4K's.

[Lion]

This is in DV on iTunes apparently..

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1505495519

Go on Warner put it on this disc...

[Geoff D]

Most Warners 4K streams are available in DV. This is nothing new.

[alexanderg823]

It's also listed on Vudu with DV as well, and like Geoff just said above, not exactly a shocker. What is nice to see is that the stream will be available a week early on 12/12.

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

It's also listed on Vudu with DV as well, and like Geoff just said above, not exactly a shocker. What is nice to see is that the stream will be available a week early on 12/12.

Not over here (yet):

https://www.vudu.com/movies/#!content/851343/Dunkirk

If the 4K Blu-ray doesn't come with Dolby Vision, then it doesn't really fits with Nolans comment he prefers Blu-ray over streaming.

[alexanderg823]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Not over here (yet):

https://www.vudu.com/movies/#!content/851343/Dunkirk

If the 4K Blu-ray doesn't come with Dolby Vision, then it doesn't really fits with Nolans comment he prefers Blu-ray over streaming.

?

That page you linked says UHD $19.99 available on 12/12.

All of their releases feature Dolby Vision, so no reason to expect that it won't - it would be the first title they offer in UHD without dolby vision if that's the case.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Not over here (yet):

https://www.vudu.com/movies/#!content/851343/Dunkirk

If the 4K Blu-ray doesn't come with Dolby Vision, then it doesn't really fits with Nolans comment he prefers Blu-ray over streaming.

Bullshit. At this point in time I'd still take a HDR10 physical disc over a DV stream.

[gwsat]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Bullshit. At this point in time I'd still take a HDR10 physical disc over a DV stream.

Yep, and that's before we get to the equally significant problem that streamed audio is lossy.

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

?

That page you linked says UHD $19.99 available on 12/12.

All of their releases feature Dolby Vision, so no reason to expect that it won't - it would be the first title they offer in UHD without dolby vision if that's the case.

You say there is Dolby Vision. Normally if Dolby Vision is used there should be a DV logo. Are you using the app instead?

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Bullshit. At this point in time I'd still take a HDR10 physical disc over a DV stream.

Of course I would still take physical media over a stream, even if it comes with Dolby Vision.

But why favor Dolby Vision for a stream and give "only" HDR10 for physical media then? Problems, no happy with the results, money. Who knows.

[Geoff D]

Disney are still opting for HDR10 on disc and DV on streaming and it's something Warners have been doing since almost the start of this UHD adventure. Yes, we've inexplicably had Westworld released in DV on disc (with precisely zero fanfare about it) from Warners but no sign of a DV movie on disc from them as of yet. It'd be great if the Nolan flicks were at the vanguard of that but if they're not then I wouldn't take it as a sign of the apocalypse or anything.

[Mean Gene]

Going to see it tomorrow night in IMAX Laser again once more during its final run. Can't wait!

[BrownianMotion]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

Vision.But why favor Dolby Vision for a stream and give "only" HDR10 for physical media then? Problems, no happy with the results, money. Who knows.

Until recently, Vudu did not offer HDR10. So the reason for all the Dolby Vision steaming content on Vudu may simply be due to the lack of HDR10 capability, and the fact that these studios wanted some kind of HDR for their digital content.

Who knows. It would be great if we could start seeing more Dolby Vision content on physical media.

[alexanderg823]

Originally Posted by Pieter V

You say there is Dolby Vision. Normally if Dolby Vision is used there should be a DV logo. Are you using the app instead?

I do not see a Dolby Vision logo.

I am assuming it has Dolby Vision for a couple of reasons:

1) I've seen other pre order titles within incomplete specs on the pre order screen, such as UHD titles not saying they have Atmos or DV before, to have them once they are officially moved into the UHD section upon release.

2) This would be the first Vudu UHD title to not have Dolby Vision since Vudu UHD launched a couple of years ago, regardless of what is or is not on the disc versions.

3) Warner has been supporting Dolby Vision on Vudu UHD since the beginning, having titles available in DV that aren't even on disc with HDR-10 yet.


Vudu UHD implies Dolby Vision at the very least. I would be shocked if it didn't have Dolby Vision.

[Pieter V]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Disney are still opting for HDR10 on disc and DV on streaming and it's something Warners have been doing since almost the start of this UHD adventure. Yes, we've inexplicably had Westworld released in DV on disc (with precisely zero fanfare about it) from Warners but no sign of a DV movie on disc from them as of yet. It'd be great if the Nolan flicks were at the vanguard of that but if they're not then I wouldn't take it as a sign of the apocalypse or anything.

Oh yes, Disney is still in the chain.

[alexanderg823]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Bullshit. At this point in time I'd still take a HDR10 physical disc over a DV stream.

Eh?

You'd be surprised how favorably the DV streams on Vudu compare to the HDR 10 discs. On 65 inch OLED the bitrate differences are imperceptible from a normal viewing distance, on 75 inch Vizio they negligible at best. The DV difference is massive on those units.

Now on my 940E (which I am exchanging for a 79D on monday), there isn't DV yet, however I've seen plenty of content that will benefit from DV... Punisher had tons of scenes with highlights that blew out even when tone mapped to display 1400 nits... Spider Man homecoming definitely had some very high nit highlights that blew out at that range too, so DV will definitely help even the light cannon LCDs, obviously not to the same degree as on the lower nit units but I think some people will be surprised when they see screenshots side by side in the difference DV will make even on the Z9D/940E/930E.

From my experience of HDR10/DV/4K on a wide range of televsions, on a 65 inch unit, the reduction of clipped/blown out highlights are more perceptible and noticeable than an increase in bitrate for marginally sharper detail at normal viewing distances. Others may disagree, but I know that's what I prefer any day of the week. Oddly enough DV on disc isn't even a clear winner either, for the time being at least, with particular issues that don't seem to be present on their streaming counterparts.

[BrownianMotion]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

Eh?

You'd be surprised how favorably the DV streams on Vudu compare to the HDR 10 discs. On 65 inch OLED the bitrate differences are imperceptible from a normal viewing distance, on 75 inch Vizio they negligible at best. The DV difference is massive on those units.

Now on my 940E (which I am exchanging for a 79D on monday), there isn't DV yet, however I've seen plenty of content that will benefit from DV... Punisher had tons of scenes with highlights that blew out even when tone mapped to display 1400 nits... Spider Man homecoming definitely had some very high nit highlights that blew out at that range too, so DV will definitely help even the light cannon LCDs, obviously not to the same degree as on the lower nit units but I think some people will be surprised when they see screenshots side by side in the difference DV will make even on the Z9D/940E/930E.

From my experience of HDR10/DV/4K on a wide range of televsions, on a 65 inch unit, the reduction of clipped/blown out highlights are more perceptible and noticeable than an increase in bitrate for marginally sharper detail at normal viewing distances. Others may disagree, but I know that's what I prefer any day of the week. Oddly enough DV on disc isn't even a clear winner either, for the time being at least, with particular issues that don't seem to be present on their streaming counterparts.

Completely disagree with this. One of my TVs is a C6, and I'd still choose physical media over streaming all day everyday.

[alexanderg823]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

Completely disagree with this. One of my TVs is a C6, and I'd still choose physical media over streaming all day everyday.

Outside of a few fringe scenarios the difference is certainly marginal at best. Placebo at work there, my friend.

[BrownianMotion]

Originally Posted by alexanderg823

Placebo at work there, my friend.

Agreed. Placebo effect is making you incorrectly believe that streaming content is almost as good as physical media simply due to your expectations of the improvements that a premium HDR format should bring about.