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levcore · 03-14-2019, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Castiel23

I think you're thinking of Batman v Superman, as (unfortunately) there is no Extended cut of Justice League. Which means the 3D Blu-ray is definitely the way to go

EDIT - It looks like The Batman Professor beat me to it, but my opinion on the 3D BD being the ONLY way to go with JL still stands

LOL you are right, I was, my mistake

captveg · 03-25-2019, 06:41 PM

So, there's a lot of random snippets online from the Snyder Q&A and autograph time after the Watchmen/Man of Steel/Batman v Superman screening yesterday. Some decent guy on reddit (timcm47) consolidated it to a quick entry of the info gleaned re: JL.

"There are 10 different completed cuts that he had ready. Depending on the time constraints that they put before him [Snyder].

But the true time for HIS definitive version was 214 minutes. 3 hrs 34 minutes.

The people that had the posters of the All The Gods shirt, or he was giving them away not sure on that, he was circling the 214 on Superman's cape in the design.

He told the guys from "comic movie marks" - youtube channel that his movie is done, but VFX are not completed. He didn't tell them an exact amount done.

Said it was up to WB to finish and release it, and he was hoping they do.

They said that the design for all the gods tshirt was his original 5 part arc.

The one where in JL they fight Steppenwolf and become aware of Darkseid. Take the fight to him with the GLC in the second film and lose, Darkseid comes to Earth killing Lois and taking Superman to the Anti-Life Equation. Third Movie was them fighting Darkseid and Superman in the Nightmare world.

If people have read the Earth 2 comics which I'm a big fan of, this would have been very near to that outcome in a lot of ways. Would have been an EPIC Superhero story.

He said that after BvS the studio told them this was too crazy of a plan and the audiences wouldn't have wanted it, so they had to rewrite into JL and rework it.

And that Joss's was a rewrite of his story, to shorten it up even further.

...

It wasn't some chopped up assembly cut Snyder is sitting at home with.

It is a completely ready movie to finalize VFX and Score and release to the world. Picture locked, color graded, ready for whatever they need it for."

He goes on longer about how/when Snyder's cut could have effects finished and released, which is there if you wanna follow the link and read his view (which is reasonably accurate, but kinda forgets that WB wouldn't want to distract from their current DC trajectory).

Also, obviously the 3.5 hr version was never gonna be released in theaters. That's clearly the full extended version that would have been on home video only.

Finally, if we ever do get the Snyder Cut of JL it will of course be his version of what he shot, but can never be the version written as described above with ultimately 3 JL films. They very clearly cut down / condensed a lot of that material in the wake of the BvS response.

imsounoriginal · 03-25-2019, 06:42 PM

In no way does 3 hr 34 min sound like a definitive cut. More like an assembly/workprint. Sure, you could point towards Watchmen, but the size of the source material mandated that length more than anything else. The DC is better than the UC.

I'm surprised by how far along he's says his cut of the movie was, though. If it's really just sitting there with minimal work needed, then maybe we really will see it at some point. Not anytime soon, because it's in WB/DC's best interest to look forward rather than behind. But once it's far enough in the rearview mirror to no longer matter, it might not be so implausible that they'll release it. I hope they do.

captveg · 03-25-2019, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

In no way does 3 hr 34 min sound like a definitive cut. More like an assembly/workprint. Sure, you could point towards Watchmen, but the size of the source material mandated that length more than anything else. The DC is better than the UC.

I'm surprised by how far along he's says his cut of the movie was, though. If it's really just sitting there with minimal work needed, then maybe we really will see it at some point. Not anytime soon, because it's in WB/DC's best interest to look forward rather than behind. But once it's far enough in the rearview mirror to no longer matter, it might not be so implausible that they'll release it. I hope they do.

Just reporting what he apparently said re: 214 min. cut.

Watchmen is a bit of a different situation. Snyder himself says his cut is the "Director's Cut", and that the "Ultimate Cut" putting the Black Freighter animation into the film was not something he would have done, but rather was something the WB home video marketing team thought was interesting as a variation of the film.

Last night they screened Watchmen Director's Cut, Man of Steel, and Batman v Superman Ultimate Edition. Those are his choices as the definitive versions of those three films. (Man of Steel is one of his few films where the theatrical release was his final cut).

RalphoR · 03-25-2019, 06:55 PM

Wow...just, wow. Epic sounds about right. I can't speak for anyone else but I would have gladly sat through a 3 hour+ JL movie. Hell, five 3 hour+ JL movies. I would love to see Zack's full length part one right now. Oh, what could have been...

imsounoriginal · 03-25-2019, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captveg

Just reporting what he apparently said re: 214 min. cut.

Wasn't trying to call you out, just surprised by the claim.

Quote:

Originally Posted by captveg

Watchmen is a bit of a different situation. Snyder himself says his cut is the "Director's Cut", and that the "Ultimate Cut" putting the Black Freighter animation into the film was not something he would have done, but rather was something the WB home video marketing team thought was interesting as a variation of the film.

Last night they screened Watchmen Director's Cut, Man of Steel, and Batman v Superman Ultimate Edition. Those are his choices as the definitive versions of those three films. (Man of Steel is one of his few films where the theatrical release was his final cut).

Yup, which again is why I'd be shocked if he really wanted a nearly 3.5-hour Justice League movie. It sounds more like a UC that he would trim down to a DC (and which WB would subsequently trim even further to a theatrical cut lol).

dublinbluray108 · 03-25-2019, 07:02 PM

That sound's great that the whole movie is a finished product without the VFX to go. I hope WB release it sometime soon on Blu-ray. It will be a pleasure to watch this from start to finish. Come on Zack. You can do it.

captveg · 03-25-2019, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Yup, which again is why I'd be shocked if he really wanted a nearly 3.5-hour Justice League movie. It sounds more like a UC that he would trim down to a DC (and which WB would subsequently trim even further to a theatrical cut lol).

Possible. If he was working on ~10 variation cuts to appease different scenarios for the eventual theatrical runtime request from WB he would have "locked" a definitive "kitchen sink" cut to find avenues to find those other cuts. It just may be that he really preferred the "kitchen sink" all-inclusive cut of this specific film most.

captveg · 03-25-2019, 07:12 PM

As I said, there's a lot out there (including video clips) from the Q&A that is compelling, but I appreciated this quote from Snyder re: Batman's line in the trailer about "Something darker":

"The Justice League teaser that wasn't in the movie, apparently, I guess, where Wonder Woman says, it's this line where Bruce says 'I was right here when Barry Allen came to me and he said Lois Lane is the key,' and she says 'She is, to Superman. Every heart has one.' And he goes, 'I think it's something more, something darker.' If Superman knew that somehow it was Bruce's responsibility to protect Lois, he would have been mad at him in [Batman v Superman]. So that's why he says 'She was my world, and you took her from me.'"

LOL at the "that wasn't in the movie, apparently, I guess". The guy avoided the theatrical studio/Whedon cut like the plague.

One more thing I found interesting enough to post - a

[Show spoiler]

about him discussing how he sees Superman's character.

imsounoriginal · 03-25-2019, 07:16 PM

Snyder on Batman killing:

[Show spoiler]

I guess more BvS than JL, but it's from the same Q&A.

captveg · 03-25-2019, 07:20 PM

Definitely the space that Batman is in for BvS, not JL. Batman has turned the corner back from this bleaker space at the end of BvS, hence his comments to Diana at Clark's gravesite.

20 years in Gotham and it's all for naught because supernatural God-powered beings show up to raise the stakes exponentially? Yeah, Bruce compromises his morals in the film. It's one story variation on how those circumstances would effect his character. There are many others that go other directions that general audiences would have probably preferred, especially since over the last 20 years the Batman killing thing has become such a taboo among Batman fans.

Gacivory · 03-25-2019, 07:28 PM

I would gladly buy the 3+ hour version of Justice League day 1!

captveg · 03-25-2019, 07:44 PM

Snyder: "I love these characters, but I want to know what makes them tick... if in canon it says 'a character can't do that', that's the first thing I want to do. Like, why not?"

When building a franchise that you want to be commercially popular, this is a red flag.

General audiences want general views of their characters. As a creative person trying to find a new angle that drives your artistic sensibilities the general views can often be lacking. Snyder is simply interested in aspects of these characters general audiences aren't interested in. This isn't a matter of "not getting" the characters, but rather a matter of exploring the boundaries of those characters in the space that won't necessarily align with populist interests.

For a property that needs to compete on behalf of a corporation on a populist economic scale it's actually rather amazing they gave Snyder the keys to this vehicle. I'd like to see, say, Nicolas Winding Refn's take on these characters, too, but his take would be unlikely to align with the commercial interests much, either.

This is why writer/directors with a history in TV production are a good match with tentpole genre films in today's Hollywood - they know how to deliver stories that stay in the producer-driven boundaries that can retain the general audience interest and make the big $$$. They get what the game is, and more importantly are able to find enough satisfaction in playing it. A more self-driven director that wants to just venture forth on his own path of exploration with characters/property is less likely to be satisfied with conforming within the safer boundaries.

Snyder is certainly the latter, and that he is compelled by the "can't do that" restrictions of the characters is the very thing that undermined this path from the start. Was I personally interested in it? Absolutely. But you don't make the high end $$$ and satisfy the masses by exploring these avenues.

AdubW1982 · 03-25-2019, 08:04 PM

I really hope this version gets a release. Snyder should do a kickstarter or something

Arawn · 03-25-2019, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captveg

Watchmen is a bit of a different situation. Snyder himself says his cut is the "Director's Cut", and that the "Ultimate Cut" putting the Black Freighter animation into the film was not something he would have done, but rather was something the WB home video marketing team thought was interesting as a variation of the film.

Looks like I chose the correct version!

Resettito · 03-26-2019, 12:30 PM

Zack circled the 214 (hidden within the poster) on the poster from his event, it's real, it's the cut, it's done as he said it, it just needs some CG tweaks and of course it's up to WB to deliver it. Tsujihara being gone (and Zack actually said that there are less of the original decision makers still here), it's a good thing.

And Zack also said us fans have made an impression on WB. We have to keep fighting.

Watch this if you want to know more and have some insight, one of the leaders of the movement, he's the one who got some of those specific details in addition to what Zack told other people.

levcore · 03-26-2019, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captveg

Snyder: "I love these characters, but I want to know what makes them tick... if in canon it says 'a character can't do that', that's the first thing I want to do. Like, why not?"

When building a franchise that you want to be commercially popular, this is a red flag.

General audiences want general views of their characters. As a creative person trying to find a new angle that drives your artistic sensibilities the general views can often be lacking. Snyder is simply interested in aspects of these characters general audiences aren't interested in. This isn't a matter of "not getting" the characters, but rather a matter of exploring the boundaries of those characters in the space that won't necessarily align with populist interests.

For a property that needs to compete on behalf of a corporation on a populist economic scale it's actually rather amazing they gave Snyder the keys to this vehicle. I'd like to see, say, Nicolas Winding Refn's take on these characters, too, but his take would be unlikely to align with the commercial interests much, either.

This is why writer/directors with a history in TV production are a good match with tentpole genre films in today's Hollywood - they know how to deliver stories that stay in the producer-driven boundaries that can retain the general audience interest and make the big $$$. They get what the game is, and more importantly are able to find enough satisfaction in playing it. A more self-driven director that wants to just venture forth on his own path of exploration with characters/property is less likely to be satisfied with conforming within the safer boundaries.

Snyder is certainly the latter, and that he is compelled by the "can't do that" restrictions of the characters is the very thing that undermined this path from the start. Was I personally interested in it? Absolutely. But you don't make the high end $$$ and satisfy the masses by exploring these avenues.

Well said, hit the nail on the head.

Evangelos · 03-26-2019, 02:06 PM

I agree with everything captveg said,in fact I just wrote something similar to the DC Cinematic thread without knowing it!Its just sad that every superhero movie has to look and sound the same without the slightest variation to the norm for the general audience to accept it.They just want these characters kept carefully sealed into petri dishes so Superman should only save cats from trees smiling like an idiot (cue Whedon reshoot) and Batman sitting on a gargoyle crying for his parents,everything else is 'out of character' apparently.

Bourne1886 · 03-26-2019, 08:44 PM

The ZS cut of Justice League is the one film I want more than any other. I want WB to listen and bring this out for all the fans that want it, like they did with Donners cut of S2.

I know WB will have difficulty doing this because it will feel like to them that by doing so will be them admitting they made a mistake. They should have left well alone and released Zac’s version. It would have made more money than the JL film we got.

They complain that they lost money so why not release the "proper" version and be done with it. Believe you me somebody fu*ked up at WB and they paid the price for a poor box office return.

AdubW1982 · 03-26-2019, 08:50 PM

Do we tweet to WB studios or email them? I want to see Snyder's version, so I'm down to let them know. Any ideas?

03-25-2019, 07:02 PM	#1007
dublinbluray108 Power Member Member since:Dec 2014 Location:Dublin, Ireland 4K collection:88 Blu-ray collection:394 DVD collection:97 Digital collection:60 Blu-ray reviews: 2	That sound's great that the whole movie is a finished product without the VFX to go. I hope WB release it sometime soon on Blu-ray. It will be a pleasure to watch this from start to finish. Come on Zack. You can do it. Last edited by dublinbluray108; 03-25-2019 at 07:10 PM.

03-25-2019, 07:20 PM	#1011
captveg Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Feb 2008 4K collection:472 Blu-ray collection:1709 DVD collection:317 Trading Score:1	Definitely the space that Batman is in for BvS, not JL. Batman has turned the corner back from this bleaker space at the end of BvS, hence his comments to Diana at Clark's gravesite. 20 years in Gotham and it's all for naught because supernatural God-powered beings show up to raise the stakes exponentially? Yeah, Bruce compromises his morals in the film. It's one story variation on how those circumstances would effect his character. There are many others that go other directions that general audiences would have probably preferred, especially since over the last 20 years the Batman killing thing has become such a taboo among Batman fans. Last edited by captveg; 03-25-2019 at 07:24 PM.

03-26-2019, 02:06 PM	#1018
Evangelos Senior Member Member since:Nov 2018	I agree with everything captveg said,in fact I just wrote something similar to the DC Cinematic thread without knowing it!Its just sad that every superhero movie has to look and sound the same without the slightest variation to the norm for the general audience to accept it.They just want these characters kept carefully sealed into petri dishes so Superman should only save cats from trees smiling like an idiot (cue Whedon reshoot) and Batman sitting on a gargoyle crying for his parents,everything else is 'out of character' apparently. Last edited by Evangelos; 03-26-2019 at 08:00 PM.

03-25-2019, 06:41 PM	#1002
captveg Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Feb 2008 4K collection:472 Blu-ray collection:1709 DVD collection:317 Trading Score:1	So, there's a lot of random snippets online from the Snyder Q&A and autograph time after the Watchmen/Man of Steel/Batman v Superman screening yesterday. Some decent guy on reddit (timcm47) consolidated it to a quick entry of the info gleaned re: JL. "There are 10 different completed cuts that he had ready. Depending on the time constraints that they put before him [Snyder]. But the true time for HIS definitive version was 214 minutes. 3 hrs 34 minutes. The people that had the posters of the All The Gods shirt, or he was giving them away not sure on that, he was circling the 214 on Superman's cape in the design. He told the guys from "comic movie marks" - youtube channel that his movie is done, but VFX are not completed. He didn't tell them an exact amount done. Said it was up to WB to finish and release it, and he was hoping they do. They said that the design for all the gods tshirt was his original 5 part arc. The one where in JL they fight Steppenwolf and become aware of Darkseid. Take the fight to him with the GLC in the second film and lose, Darkseid comes to Earth killing Lois and taking Superman to the Anti-Life Equation. Third Movie was them fighting Darkseid and Superman in the Nightmare world. If people have read the Earth 2 comics which I'm a big fan of, this would have been very near to that outcome in a lot of ways. Would have been an EPIC Superhero story. He said that after BvS the studio told them this was too crazy of a plan and the audiences wouldn't have wanted it, so they had to rewrite into JL and rework it. And that Joss's was a rewrite of his story, to shorten it up even further. ... It wasn't some chopped up assembly cut Snyder is sitting at home with. It is a completely ready movie to finalize VFX and Score and release to the world. Picture locked, color graded, ready for whatever they need it for." He goes on longer about how/when Snyder's cut could have effects finished and released, which is there if you wanna follow the link and read his view (which is reasonably accurate, but kinda forgets that WB wouldn't want to distract from their current DC trajectory). Also, obviously the 3.5 hr version was never gonna be released in theaters. That's clearly the full extended version that would have been on home video only. Finally, if we ever do get the Snyder Cut of JL it will of course be his version of what he shot, but can never be the version written as described above with ultimately 3 JL films. They very clearly cut down / condensed a lot of that material in the wake of the BvS response.

03-25-2019, 06:42 PM	#1003
imsounoriginal Blu-ray Grand Duke Top contributor Member since:Dec 2008 Location:NYC 4K collection:320 Blu-ray collection:946 DVD collection:70 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:59	In no way does 3 hr 34 min sound like a definitive cut. More like an assembly/workprint. Sure, you could point towards Watchmen, but the size of the source material mandated that length more than anything else. The DC is better than the UC. I'm surprised by how far along he's says his cut of the movie was, though. If it's really just sitting there with minimal work needed, then maybe we really will see it at some point. Not anytime soon, because it's in WB/DC's best interest to look forward rather than behind. But once it's far enough in the rearview mirror to no longer matter, it might not be so implausible that they'll release it. I hope they do.

03-25-2019, 06:55 PM	#1005
RalphoR Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Oct 2013 Location:The Forbidden Valley of NE Ohio Trading Score:13	Wow...just, wow. Epic sounds about right. I can't speak for anyone else but I would have gladly sat through a 3 hour+ JL movie. Hell, five 3 hour+ JL movies. I would love to see Zack's full length part one right now. Oh, what could have been...

03-25-2019, 07:12 PM	#1009
captveg Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Feb 2008 4K collection:472 Blu-ray collection:1709 DVD collection:317 Trading Score:1	As I said, there's a lot out there (including video clips) from the Q&A that is compelling, but I appreciated this quote from Snyder re: Batman's line in the trailer about "Something darker": "The Justice League teaser that wasn't in the movie, apparently, I guess, where Wonder Woman says, it's this line where Bruce says 'I was right here when Barry Allen came to me and he said Lois Lane is the key,' and she says 'She is, to Superman. Every heart has one.' And he goes, 'I think it's something more, something darker.' If Superman knew that somehow it was Bruce's responsibility to protect Lois, he would have been mad at him in [Batman v Superman]. So that's why he says 'She was my world, and you took her from me.'" LOL at the "that wasn't in the movie, apparently, I guess". The guy avoided the theatrical studio/Whedon cut like the plague. One more thing I found interesting enough to post - a [Show spoiler] about him discussing how he sees Superman's character.

03-25-2019, 07:28 PM	#1012
Gacivory Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Apr 2016 Location:Los Angeles, California 4K collection:1121 Blu-ray collection:5611 DVD collection:183 Digital collection:25 Trading Score:1	I would gladly buy the 3+ hour version of Justice League day 1!

03-25-2019, 07:44 PM	#1013
captveg Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Feb 2008 4K collection:472 Blu-ray collection:1709 DVD collection:317 Trading Score:1	Snyder: "I love these characters, but I want to know what makes them tick... if in canon it says 'a character can't do that', that's the first thing I want to do. Like, why not?" When building a franchise that you want to be commercially popular, this is a red flag. General audiences want general views of their characters. As a creative person trying to find a new angle that drives your artistic sensibilities the general views can often be lacking. Snyder is simply interested in aspects of these characters general audiences aren't interested in. This isn't a matter of "not getting" the characters, but rather a matter of exploring the boundaries of those characters in the space that won't necessarily align with populist interests. For a property that needs to compete on behalf of a corporation on a populist economic scale it's actually rather amazing they gave Snyder the keys to this vehicle. I'd like to see, say, Nicolas Winding Refn's take on these characters, too, but his take would be unlikely to align with the commercial interests much, either. This is why writer/directors with a history in TV production are a good match with tentpole genre films in today's Hollywood - they know how to deliver stories that stay in the producer-driven boundaries that can retain the general audience interest and make the big $$$. They get what the game is, and more importantly are able to find enough satisfaction in playing it. A more self-driven director that wants to just venture forth on his own path of exploration with characters/property is less likely to be satisfied with conforming within the safer boundaries. Snyder is certainly the latter, and that he is compelled by the "can't do that" restrictions of the characters is the very thing that undermined this path from the start. Was I personally interested in it? Absolutely. But you don't make the high end $$$ and satisfy the masses by exploring these avenues.

03-25-2019, 08:04 PM	#1014
AdubW1982 Senior Member Member since:Dec 2016	I really hope this version gets a release. Snyder should do a kickstarter or something

03-26-2019, 08:44 PM	#1019
Bourne1886 Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Sep 2010 Location:East Anglia, U.K. 4K collection:309 Blu-ray collection:1041 DVD collection:141 Digital collection:2 iTunes collection:64 Blu-ray reviews: 89	The ZS cut of Justice League is the one film I want more than any other. I want WB to listen and bring this out for all the fans that want it, like they did with Donners cut of S2. I know WB will have difficulty doing this because it will feel like to them that by doing so will be them admitting they made a mistake. They should have left well alone and released Zac’s version. It would have made more money than the JL film we got. They complain that they lost money so why not release the "proper" version and be done with it. Believe you me somebody fu*ked up at WB and they paid the price for a poor box office return.

03-26-2019, 08:50 PM	#1020
AdubW1982 Senior Member Member since:Dec 2016	Do we tweet to WB studios or email them? I want to see Snyder's version, so I'm down to let them know. Any ideas?

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