Top Gun: Maverick 4K UHD (2022)

[wright96d]

Originally Posted by MuffinMcFluffin

Well back to one of my points but with a new version of it, this may speak more to why they neuter the streaming audio in the first place. Bitrate aside, they cater to the soundbar/headphone/laptop speaker crowd rather than the HT enthusiasts.

Disney is already doing this and has been for a decade, so it's not unreasonable to think others may do the same later.

I mean, they're not exactly catering to the HT enthusiasts with the BD audio either. They're both heavily dynamically compressed, just one is moreso than the other. And Disney does it on both streaming and disc, not just streaming. They're a good example of identical mastering between streaming and disc.

Originally Posted by birdztudio

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Because in this instance, it wasn't just the lack of LFE punch and surround activity that I noticed when watching the streaming version of TGM. It was the overall lack of dynamics across the board. And that didn't really change on BD.

[MuffinMcFluffin]

Originally Posted by wright96d

I mean, they're not exactly catering to the HT enthusiasts with the BD audio either. They're both heavily dynamically compressed, just one is moreso than the other. And Disney does it on both streaming and disc, not just streaming. They're a good example of identical mastering between streaming and disc.

That's what I'm saying. If streaming wasn't a thing to master for and cater toward (I mean what HT enthusiast is looking to stream their content for the most part outside of HTPC?), they probably wouldn't be doing what they're doing now.

[lgans316]

--https://youtu.be/-PGgKiEcRhU

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by MuffinMcFluffin

Well back to one of my points but with a new version of it, this may speak more to why they neuter the streaming audio in the first place. Bitrate aside, they cater to the soundbar/headphone/laptop speaker crowd rather than the HT enthusiasts.

Disney is already doing this and has been for a decade, so it's not unreasonable to think others may do the same later.

Disney's sound mixes have probably been hurting their bottom line on disc sales too, even with enthusiast types..................oh wait, probably not.

Top Gun Maverick sounds incredible from my K system in full lossless Atmos, so disc buyers will probably be just fine.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Disney's sound mixes have probably been hurting their bottom line on disc sales too, even with enthusiast types..................oh wait, probably not.

Top Gun Maverick sounds incredible from my K system in full lossless Atmos, so disc buyers will probably be just fine.

The track is steeply filtered to 30 Hz. It barely utilizes the Atmos format. In fact, it's almost entirely static. And yet we have a movie with jets flying all over the place. Something doesn't compute. The Top Gun Atmos remix was similarly lackadaisical.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

The track is steeply filtered to 30 Hz. It barely utilizes the Atmos format. In fact, it's almost entirely static. And yet we have a movie with jets flying all over the place. Something doesn't compute. The Top Gun Atmos remix was similarly lackadaisical.

I think I’m right in saying that Joe Kosinski helped oversee the 4K remaster of Top Gun so if the mixes are similar it don’t take no genius to work out the link there. Heck, even Tron Legacy’s audio mix is very loud but very clipped.

[rocknblues81]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Disney's sound mixes have probably been hurting their bottom line on disc sales too, even with enthusiast types..................oh wait, probably not.

Top Gun Maverick sounds incredible from my K system in full lossless Atmos, so disc buyers will probably be just fine.

Disney is just a piece of trash company. Seems like they might not release Barbarian in physical format.

[buckeye1]

Wow, it was a interesting choice to release to this on October 31st which is on a Monday vs a normal Tuesday release. Who's decision was it to release on that particular date?

[unberechenbar]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I think I’m right in saying that Joe Kosinski helped oversee the 4K remaster of Top Gun so if the mixes are similar it don’t take no genius to work out the link there. Heck, even Tron Legacy’s audio mix is very loud but very clipped.

That's interesting since isn't the Atmos on Oblivion highly praised?

[andreasy969]

Well, now that was a little early, but who am I to complain.



Looking forward to watching this piece of high gloss US military complex propaganda.

[MuffinMcFluffin]

^ Curious, what do you use to capture your shots? What kind of tone-mapping software/algorithm is it?

[andreasy969]

Originally Posted by MuffinMcFluffin

^ Curious, what do you use to capture your shots? What kind of tone-mapping software/algorithm is it?

PC, drive, purchased copy of a software that must not be named, MPC-BE and the good old alpha version of the madVR video renderer with BT.2390 tone mapping curve usually set to 200 target peak nits.

[MuffinMcFluffin]

Originally Posted by andreasy969

PC, drive, purchased copy of a software that must not be named, MPC-BE and the good old alpha version of the madVR video renderer with BT.2390 tone mapping curve usually set to 200 target peak nits.

Got it. I have the same stuff (MPC-HC though), but I'll try that peak nit amount. Trying to find something that can render with that tone-mapping though. Resolve's tone-mapping isn't great nor do the LUTs I've purchased online doing the job.

Thanks! Looks great.

[LexInHD]

Maverick was given a reference-grade Skywalker Sound mix, spit-roasted and seasoned by blockbuster film sound designers Ben Burtt, Gary Summers, and Gary Rydstrom. It should be demo material on DVD, Blu-Ray, and UHD-BD.

[openviews]

https://twitter.com/BillHuntBits/sta..._V_aLs2p9yhwqQ

Tell you this much right now: This is the 4K REFERENCE disc of the year in terms of picture and sound quality. Blows the Digital streams out of the water.

[lgans316]

£5 off £15 for select customers here:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/b?ie=UTF8&node=30118592031

[lgans316]

Reference STATUS! Top Gun: Maverick 4K Blu-ray IMAX Review - YouTube

Not much bass and a static mix which reflects my experience in Cineworld. Nevertheless a good mix overall.

[Jodi]

Originally Posted by openviews

https://twitter.com/BillHuntBits/sta..._V_aLs2p9yhwqQ

Tell you this much right now: This is the 4K REFERENCE disc of the year in terms of picture and sound quality. Blows the Digital streams out of the water.

This makes me feel better already! I would love to know what Bill Hunt's rig is (TV, UHD Blu-ray player, HDMI cable, etc.)

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by b_scott

by the time that discs are no longer pressed, we will be in an era of full bit streaming.

Ha
Hahaha
Hahahahaha

God I wish I could be so hopeful but time has twisted this optimistic pup into a jaded wolf.

Broadcast TV has gotten worse I swear over the years, full of compression artifacts. My mom watches a lot of Netflix movies and whenever I see them even on her little PC display let alone my OLED it's macroblock city. The 4K TV shows on say Amazon Prime look good but they are not as good as UHD and holy shit their Thursday Night NFL football games are a travesty, they look worse than my satellite feed. Apple TV 4K can look quite good but you pay the same as a disc and of course none of these have lossless audio options. Apple TV 4K movies are an outlier relative to what most people see, I saw King of the Hill on Hulu for example and even that didn't look as good as my DVDs. That is sad.

Like how modern music quality has fallen so far since the analog tape days and even the early digital days of the 80s and 90s before the loudness wars took over, you get the double whammy of poor mixing and low quality distribution where MP3 is the dominant format. SACD has been out for 20 years and nobody even gets close to such quality, which is sad. Even the vinyl record craze largely consists of the same heavily compressed music that doesn't even use the 48/24 master. However, a good modern AAA repressing can sound fantastic with improved manufacturing processes but that's the exception to the rule with new releases of even older stuff let alone new.

So I find myself sticking with a lot of older music. Sad that a record from the 1970s and in particular a DBX disc kicks the shit out of new stuff when the tech is out there to exceed it but goes unused.

I hope disc will go for a while longer but in 20 years, heck even 10 I suspect day and date releases will be limited. After that time I will probably just not see as much new stuff as I do now. I already find myself waiting for home releases of newer movies as the local theaters around here are terrible (again, wonderful tech like Dolby Cinema but they haven't fixed their focus for years and now there's wall mounted light strips on all the time during the movie anyway so nobody gives a shit with presentation other than the one big screen at the Alamo Drafthouse) and when my disc option is gone I will probably just cut way way back.

The one thing that consumers have always done is go for the cheapest and easiest option for entertainment, quality rarely matters. And for studios, why increase your distribution costs with higher bitrate delivery that takes up more server space when quite literally nobody is asking for it? Perhaps they could market it as a premium option but even then I am doubtful.

[birdztudio]

Originally Posted by singhcr

[Show spoiler]Ha
Hahaha
Hahahahaha

God I wish I could be so hopeful but time has twisted this optimistic pup into a jaded wolf.

Broadcast TV has gotten worse I swear over the years, full of compression artifacts. My mom watches a lot of Netflix movies and whenever I see them even on her little PC display let alone my OLED it's macroblock city. The 4K TV shows on say Amazon Prime look good but they are not as good as UHD and holy shit their Thursday Night NFL football games are a travesty, they look worse than my satellite feed. Apple TV 4K can look quite good but you pay the same as a disc and of course none of these have lossless audio options. Apple TV 4K movies are an outlier relative to what most people see, I saw King of the Hill on Hulu for example and even that didn't look as good as my DVDs. That is sad.

Like how modern music quality has fallen so far since the analog tape days and even the early digital days of the 80s and 90s before the loudness wars took over, you get the double whammy of poor mixing and low quality distribution where MP3 is the dominant format. SACD has been out for 20 years and nobody even gets close to such quality, which is sad. Even the vinyl record craze largely consists of the same heavily compressed music that doesn't even use the 48/24 master. However, a good modern AAA repressing can sound fantastic with improved manufacturing processes but that's the exception to the rule with new releases of even older stuff let alone new.

So I find myself sticking with a lot of older music. Sad that a record from the 1970s and in particular a DBX disc kicks the shit out of new stuff when the tech is out there to exceed it but goes unused.

I hope disc will go for a while longer but in 20 years, heck even 10 I suspect day and date releases will be limited. After that time I will probably just not see as much new stuff as I do now. I already find myself waiting for home releases of newer movies as the local theaters around here are terrible (again, wonderful tech like Dolby Cinema but they haven't fixed their focus for years and now there's wall mounted light strips on all the time during the movie anyway so nobody gives a shit with presentation other than the one big screen at the Alamo Drafthouse) and when my disc option is gone I will probably just cut way way back.

The one thing that consumers have always done is go for the cheapest and easiest option for entertainment, quality rarely matters. And for studios, why increase your distribution costs with higher bitrate delivery that takes up more server space when quite literally nobody is asking for it? Perhaps they could market it as a premium option but even then I am doubtful.

specifically about music

aren't all those Tidal, Qobuz or even Apple Music services with HD-Lossless any good at all? my set up is not crazy expensive (and my ears are not that great lol) but i find it's really really good and way better than all those lossy quality in the past, i don't know... i'm thinking the HD-lossless music industry is growing...