Master and Commander 4K UHD (2003)

[RobertR]

Originally Posted by sidetracked1

we have no idea what decisions were made during the mix or why. ...we have no idea if that was Weir's intent

We know beyond all doubt that he fully intended to (and did) record live cannons, and the video makes it clear that they WANTED lots of BOOM. I say that if we don't "know" that those cannons were meant to hit HARD (Again, I find it difficult to believe that he wanted wimpier cannons, wanted a wimpier depiction of a sea battle), then I am free to prefer the HARDER hitting version, and no one can say I am wrong. What person with a capable sub wouldn't want that?

[sidetracked1]

Originally Posted by RobertR

We know beyond all doubt that he fully intended to (and did) record live cannons, and the video makes it clear that they WANTED lots of BOOM. I say that if we don't "know" that those cannons were meant to hit HARD (Again, I find it difficult to believe that he wanted wimpier cannons, wanted a wimpier depiction of a sea battle), then I am free to prefer the HARDER hitting version, and no one can say I am wrong. What person with a capable sub wouldn't want that?

I have no problem with you saying you prefer that sound, or you thinking it's silly or stupid those frequencies weren't used. My only problem was your insisting that you know Peter Weir not only wanted the cannons to have impact, but wanted that impact in just the way you like.

I thought it was weird to learn Kieslowski wanted 'Blue' to have an ugly piss-yellow coloring, especially when I was used to the bluer coloring on the U.S. release. None-the-less, I can't say the filmmaker was 'wrong' for not doing it the way that made sense to me.

That said, as someone who has seen all sorts of things botched and screwed with in the process of putting discs onto physical media - both intentionally and by mistake - I'm absolutely open to the possibility those frequencies should be there, and that Weir would be upset to find they aren't. But I think it's unreasonable to make assumptions about filmmaker intent without more information.

[RobertR]

Originally Posted by sidetracked1

My only problem was your insisting that you know Peter Weir not only wanted the cannons to have impact, but wanted that impact in just the way you like.

I never said I "know" what Weir wanted. I said I find it hard to believe that Weir wanted wimpier cannons. Why would he? Why would anyone? Big difference.

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Master and Commander 2003 HDR WCG ANALYSIS 4K UHD Blu Ray REVIEW vs 1080p BD SDR 100nits - YouTube

[RocShemp]

Dunno if the videos posted above were derived from the special features of the DVD set (haven't clicked on them just yet), but I do recall that Weir messed with the sound of the live cannons. In one of the documentaries of the collector's DVD set, Weir explains how O'Brien described in the novels a "bell sound" the cannons make when fired. Weir didn't like the sound and had that removed in post. So, although I am sure he wanted the cannon blasts to have impact, he wasn't aiming for 100% authenticity.

Originally Posted by Hellboy

Rather disappointing reading all the comments about the lackluster audio but like always I’ll wait and judge for myself if/when this ever arrives seeing as my Steelbook order through Amazon was delayed until 9/5 despite placing it within hours of it going live.

I feel you. 10/10 for me.

[Frank169]

Originally Posted by crutzulee

If memory serves (and it doesn't always lately), I had this title on Laserdisc...

I'm afraid not, by 2003 the Laserdisc was as dead as the Dodo (BTW, it became extinct 15 years before events in M&C), an LD of M&C with AC-3 Dolby Digital 5.1 sound would have been a Day One purchase for me.

Among the last blockbusters released on LD were The Matrix and Star Wars Episode 1 (Japanese LD only) from 1999.

However, next to the DVD we had a D-Theater (D-VHS) release. I suspect that both the original masters for the Blu-rays of M&C and Die Hard (equally released as D-Theater digital tape) came from these early HD masters.

Noticed the screenshot comparison posted in this thread between the Blu-ray and the UHD BD. There are various Blu-rays where the screenshot comparisons didn't compel me to add the UHD version to my collection, but Master & Commander is such a drastic improvement in terms of image resolution that it constitutes the proverbial no-brainer.

[New-Blu-Blood]

Has anyone received their Deep Discount order yet? Are they still saying it's unavailable? It's kind of annoying that they took pre-orders and then have no stock to fulfill those pre-orders. I placed my order on July 17th at 1pm and i know several other people here placed orders the same day and haven't received their orders yet.

[LSK]

Originally Posted by RobertR

I never said I "know" what Weir wanted. I said I find it hard to believe that Weir wanted wimpier cannons. Why would he? Why would anyone? Big difference.

One could also say that one found it hard to believe, that with all that equipment of yours, you still found no fault with the faulty 5.1 track on the Timecop UHD from Shout.

[RobertR]

Originally Posted by LSK

One could also say that one found it hard to believe, that with all that equipment of yours, you still found no fault with the faulty 5.1 track on the Timecop UHD from Shout.

What are you talking about?? I've never posted ANYTHING about Timecop. You're obviously confusing me with someone else. Try not to make a false claim next time.

[Old Bones]

Boom

[Vilya]

Has it finally been established that the recording of live cannon fire is movie making canon?

[LSK]

Originally Posted by RobertR

What are you talking about?? I've never posted ANYTHING about Timecop. You're obviously confusing me with someone else. Try not to make a false claim next time.

Another Robert. Sorry.

[sidetracked1]

Originally Posted by RobertR

I never said I "know" what Weir wanted. I said I find it hard to believe that Weir wanted wimpier cannons. Why would he? Why would anyone? Big difference.

When you repeatedly state that 'it is simply not credible' that a director made a certain choice, you're implying knowledge of that director's intentions/desires. That's different than saying 'if that was their choice, I think it was a bad/silly/whatever one'.

If I said 'it's simply not credible that Michael Mann wanted the 4K of 'Heat' to be so dark', the clear implication would be that I believed what we got was not what Mann wanted, that it would be against his wishes.

(To be clear, I don't personally find 'Heat' too dark, just picking a recent issue that bothered a lot of people).

[RobertR]

Originally Posted by sidetracked1

When you repeatedly state that 'it is simply not credible' that a director made a certain choice, you're implying knowledge of that director's intentions/desires.

I also said it's hard to believe, which is essentially saying the same thing. That is NOT the same thing as saying I KNOW. "I wanted wimpier cannons, even though we went through all the trouble of getting LOTS of BOOM from LIVE CANNONS". The second part of that sentence indeed undermines the credibility of the first part.

[Rollo Tomassi]

Originally Posted by RobertR

I also said it's hard to believe, which is essentially saying the same thing. That is NOT the same thing as saying I KNOW. "I wanted wimpier cannons, even though we went through all the trouble of getting LOTS of BOOM from LIVE CANNONS". The second part of that sentence indeed undermines the credibility of the first part.

We get it, the Atmos track has the lower frequencies removed.
It really does suck, but what good is it, to keep posting about it on here? Us "pedestrians" on this forum can change diddley-doo about it, can't we?
If you're so passionate about this, put your energy to some practical use and try finding someone in charge at the physical media department at Dixney and make HIM raise an eyebrow...
At this point, every post on this thread is like

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For me personally the DVD's DTS track was really an eye-opener, as it was with this track that I first tested my 5.1 system and the battle scene in the beginning truly floored me! I was already disappointed to see that track's LFE not being reproduced with the lossless track of the bluray release, so I honestly didn't (really) expect it to be corrected again with this 4k release. But I was certainly hoping for it...

[sidetracked1]

Originally Posted by RobertR

"I wanted wimpier cannons, even though we went through all the trouble of getting LOTS of BOOM from LIVE CANNONS". The second part of that sentence indeed undermines the credibility of the first part.

Not if you've ever worked on a film, where the entire post production process - editing, color timing, sound mixing, etc - is taking all those many things you went through lots of trouble getting, and then deciding which to keep, which to lose, and which to modify.

If filmmakers kept everything - untouched and unmodified- they worked really hard to get, films would all be 4 hours long, and be overloaded with sounds and images that didn't work in the final version.

[PurpsMcNuggets]

Originally Posted by New-Blu-Blood

Has anyone received their Deep Discount order yet? Are they still saying it's unavailable? It's kind of annoying that they took pre-orders and then have no stock to fulfill those pre-orders. I placed my order on July 17th at 1pm and i know several other people here placed orders the same day and haven't received their orders yet.

I did not receive an email response to my inquiry about when it would ship from DD.

But, today I did receive a shipping notification from DD!

I already got a pristine one from amazon, so would sell this one for the same price I got it, or will return it to amazon.

[RobertR]

Originally Posted by Rollo Tomassi

We get it, the Atmos track has the lower frequencies removed. It really does suck

Yes they did, and yes it does suck.

what good is it, to keep posting about it on here?

I'm just responding to those who claim that it doesn't suck, it doesn't matter that it sucks, or the director may have wanted it to suck, therefore it doesn't really suck.

Us "pedestrians" on this forum can change diddley-doo about it, can't we?

I seem to recall that some discs have been reissued after fixing audio problems. The most recent example that comes to mind is Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior. But I don't expect Disney to care enough to do such a thing even if people contact them. Their indifference reeks. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be strongly criticized. I found my own solution: Muxing the DVD audio.

For me personally the DVD's DTS track was really an eye-opener, as it was with this track that I first tested my 5.1 system and the battle scene in the beginning truly floored me! I was already disappointed to see that track's LFE not being reproduced with the lossless track of the bluray release, so I honestly didn't (really) expect it to be corrected again with this 4k release. But I was certainly hoping for it...

Same here.

[New-Blu-Blood]

Originally Posted by PurpsMcNuggets

I did not receive an email response to my inquiry about when it would ship from DD.

But, today I did receive a shipping notification from DD!

I already got a pristine one from amazon, so would sell this one for the same price I got it, or will return it to amazon.

Awesome! I just checked my email and sure enough got a shipping notification email as well. That was a huge relief given that I just sold my blu-ray copy and was worried they'd never ship the steelbook. Can't wait for it to arrive.

[RobertR]

Originally Posted by sidetracked1

Not if you've ever worked on a film

Again, you make the false claim that I expected them to achieve the unmodified sound of live cannons, something I never said. What I did say was that it's not credible to claim that the fantastic BOOM of the DVD DTS track was not their "intent", even though they went to all the trouble of recording live cannons with lots of BOOM in the first place.