Official Denon Owners Thread

[superpacman]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I am not judging, just wondering why the fact that sounds are not reproduced realistically with Dynamic modes was not mentioned. Yes you will be able to hear minor sound effects clearer, but you will also notice that sounds that are supposed to be loud are somewhat muted (so that you won't wake up your neighbors LOL)

Sooooo, Basically what you are saying is it isn't realistic when someone drops a pin on a wooden floor that sounded the same as the atomic bomb that went off in the last scene?

Making those changes with the AVR is changing how the director meant for it to sound. I fully understand its all on how a person likes it over what the director meant, but I still think the sound of a man walking shouldn't be made to sound the same as one of the Transformers walking... lol

I'm pretty sure in the latest version of Robocop, the Director wanted the walking sound of him to be different before and after he became RoboCop. Heck the bass was so nice, I can just listen to him walk around as RoboCop for the entire movie, but if I let my AVR change it, I wouldn't have enjoy the movie as much as I did.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by superpacman

Sooooo, Basically what you are saying is it isn't realistic when someone drops a pin on a wooden floor that sounded the same as the atomic bomb that went off in the last scene?

Making those changes with the AVR is changing how the director meant for it to sound. I fully understand its all on how a person likes it over what the director meant, but I still think the sound of a man walking shouldn't be made to sound the same as one of the Transformers walking... lol

I'm pretty sure in the latest version of Robocop, the Director wanted the walking sound of him to be different before and after he became RoboCop. Heck the bass was so nice, I can just listen to him walk around as RoboCop for the entire movie, but if I let my AVR change it, I wouldn't have enjoy the movie as much as I did.

That is what I was trying to say before I was labeled as "judgemental"

[superpacman]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

That is what I was trying to say before I was labeled as "judgemental"

Some of us can seem that way when you question how others use their equipment, but learning from other or giving advice shouldn't be thought of in that way. Someone else might have felt as you have, and then read his response, but now likes his settings, and uses it.

Me for example, in way I have changed how the director wanted it to sound with me making my subs much hotter then reference level, and many call it preference instead. With using the same example of Robocop, the director might not like how heavy I have the steps when walking... lol

What should understood is the difference between reference and preference

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by superpacman

Some of us can seem that way when you question how others use their equipment, but learning from other or giving advice shouldn't be thought of in that way. Someone else might have felt as you have, and then read his response, but now likes his settings, and uses it.

Me for example, in way I have changed how the director wanted it to sound with me making my subs much hotter then reference level, and many call it preference instead. With using the same example of Robocop, the director might not like how heavy I have the steps when walking... lol

What should understood is the difference between reference and preference

But preference settings can have nasty side effects

[superpacman]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

But preference settings can have nasty side effects

It certainly can, because it turned me into a basshead

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by superpacman

It certainly can, because it turned me into a basshead

Do you also boost Smooth Motion/Soap Opera effect on your TV because 24fps does not suit your preference?

[superpacman]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Do you also boost Smooth Motion/Soap Opera effect on your TV because 24fps does not suit your preference?

Funny that you ask that, because I was just telling someone else about it. When I first seen a demo of it, I wanted a Samsung really bad. When I bought and brought the TV home, I was only able to watch a couple of shows. I hated it, and I still hate it. The only type of show I may make that adjustment is a sci-fi show. I think its great with something like Star Trek.


My main TV is a Plasma, the LCD is in my bedroom

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by superpacman

Funny that you ask that, because I was just telling someone else about it. When I first seen a demo of it, I wanted a Samsung really bad. When I bought and brought the TV home, I was only able to watch a couple of shows. I hated it, and I still hate it. The only type of show I may make that adjustment is a sci-fi show. I think its great with something like Star Trek.


My main TV is a Plasma, the LCD is in my bedroom

So your Denon is hooked to to the LCD and the Plasma relies on a soundbar or anohter receiver?

[superpacman]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

So your Denon is hooked to to the LCD and the Plasma relies on a soundbar or anohter receiver?

Not exactly..

My Denon isn't connected to the LCD with the soup Opera effect, My Denon is connected to another LCD in my workout room.

LCD with the Soup Opera effect is in my bedroom using an Onkyo 805, and My plasma is connected to an Onkyo 5008

[tezster]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

You make great points...But those dynamic modes are usually used for late night watching or when others at home are sleeping. That means that loudness will be altered in unrealistic ways: a bomb going off will sound low volume whereas even a pin dropping will sound too loud and non-realistic...Basically it will do anything to make naturally louder sounds less loud, and naturally lower sounds louder

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I think what you're referring to applies more to Dynamic Volume than Dynamic EQ. Think of Dynamic volume as "night mode", which compresses the dynamic range of the soundtrack (which is the reason why I never use DynVol). DynEq deals more with the relative balance between the separate channels. I also find that it increases dialog intelligibility.

Human hearing is very insensitive to low frequencies, so if anything, its volume needs to be increased to produce the desired audible (and tactile) result. This is why you find most people run their subwoofers "hot". DynEq actually boosts the LFE channel by quite a bit

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by tezster

I think what you're referring to applies more to Dynamic Volume than Dynamic EQ. Think of Dynamic volume as "night mode", which compresses the dynamic range of the soundtrack (which is the reason why I never use DynVol). DynEq deals more with the relative balance between the separate channels. I also find that it increases dialog intelligibility.

Human hearing is very insensitive to low frequencies, so if anything, its volume needs to be increased to produce the desired audible (and tactile) result. This is why you find most people run their subwoofers "hot". DynEq actually boosts the LFE channel by quite a bit

So are you saying that DynEQ boosts dialogue level but DynVol does not?

[SlaughterX]

Did the X2200W get the DTS-X update yet?

[shrex]

Originally Posted by SlaughterX

Did the X2200W get the DTS-X update yet?

I don't think so. Your best bet is to head over to AVSForum and stay up to date with this thread, pretty good information.

[SlaughterX]

That's pretty sad, this receiver has been out for while...

[Dwayne]

Originally Posted by BobbyMcGee

I have a Denon 910 AVR and here are my go to settings:

MultEQ: Reference
Dynamic EQ: On
-Reference Level Offset: 0dB
Dynamic Volume: Light
CinemaEQ: Off

The setting that makes a HUGE difference for me is "Dynamic Volume". When set to "Light", the sound from my speakers, especially from my center channel speaker, improves dramatically. Setting it to "Medium" or "Heavy" does not result in the same dramatic improvement.

For example, I recently acquired the "Aqualung" box-set that includes a Blu-ray audio disc. Earlier in the week I sat down and listened to it and it sounded amazing. Then, yesterday my girlfriend sat down and listened to it with me and the center channel speaker sounded much lower in volume relative to the other speakers using the 5.1 DTS mix. My girlfriend even commented that her hearing must be going because she could hardly hear the center channel. It was late and I was tired so I didn't put much thought into but it did bother me. So today, I sat down and re-listened to it while reviewing my settings. I realized that for some reason "Dynamic Volume" was set to "Off". I reset it to "Light" and lo and behold the DTS 5.1 mix on Aqualung sounded amazing again. I had my girlfriend sit down and re-listen to it with me and she agreed that it sounded way better than the previous night.

Also, this one may sound odd, but even if I have "Dialogue Adjust" turned to on with the dB adjust set to "0"(zero), that still makes a difference in the volume of my center channel speaker. With "Dialogue Adjust" set to "Off", my center channel speaker sounds a bit lower and blends in a bit too much for my taste with the rest of my speakers. For films with loud effects, I usually set "Dialogue Adjust" to +3dB in order to improve clarity for dialogue relative to the sound effects.

You asked a very simple question about anyone experimenting with these settings. As you can see from previous answers to your question there are many differences in opinions regarding this topic and from an audiophiles perspective it would be insane to use these settings. To answer your question, when I first got involved in this hobby I too played with these settings and like you found that setting the Dynamic EQ to ON and Dynamic Volume to LIGHT made as you said a HUGE difference and left these settings alone for a long time. I have since changed my settings and no longer use them. I still have friends that use these settings faithfully. I totally get why you use these settings because it does make a big difference in sound. For many, these features are used for the reasons they were created, and for others its just a personal choice and thats all that matters. All of these cool settings, and features that are created by the manufacturers is why this hobby is so cool. You can alter the sound if you choose, because everyones ear and living conditions are different.

[shrex]

Originally Posted by SlaughterX

That's pretty sad, this receiver has been out for while...

Yeah, I have the same model and its a bit disappointing. I currently don't have an Atmos set up yet and I'm still contemplating even doing so. I feel like Atmos kind of leads the way over DTS X though.

[BobbyMcGee]

Originally Posted by Dwayne

You asked a very simple question about anyone experimenting with these settings. As you can see from previous answers to your question there are many differences in opinions regarding this topic and from an audiophiles perspective it would be insane to use these settings. To answer your question, when I first got involved in this hobby I too played with these settings and like you found that setting the Dynamic EQ to ON and Dynamic Volume to LIGHT made as you said a HUGE difference and left these settings alone for a long time. I have since changed my settings and no longer use them. I still have friends that use these settings faithfully. I totally get why you use these settings because it does make a big difference in sound. For many, these features are used for the reasons they were created, and for others its just a personal choice and thats all that matters. All of these cool settings, and features that are created by the manufacturers is why this hobby is so cool. You can alter the sound if you choose, because everyones ear and living conditions are different.

I am new to this hobby myself and still learning as I go. Perhaps as time passes or my equipment changes my general settings may change as well

One thing I am noticing is that the source plays a big part in settings as well. I find myself making small adjustments in order to optimize my sound experience dependant upon my source. But I guess that's what is great about these receivers since they have all these options available to do so.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by BobbyMcGee

I am new to this hobby myself and still learning as I go. Perhaps as time passes or my equipment changes my general settings may change as well

One thing I am noticing is that the source plays a big part in settings as well. I find myself making small adjustments in order to optimize my sound experience dependant upon my source. But I guess that's what is great about these receivers since they have all these options available to do so.

I agree with you especially when going from bluray to TV programs.
I use DynEQ and DynVol (Light) off and on basd on several factors. There is no law that you should either keep those features on permanently or never use them at all.
Personally when playing an ew bluray movie for the first time, I keep them all off (especially Atmos blurays). If I go back and watch that particualr title again a second or third time I will then experiemnt a little with DynEQ and DynVol.
Also the time of the day depends whether I use them or not. During times when there is a lot of background noise (wife cooking, fan running, etc) I tend to use those features more often. If it is "Movie Night" and all we have on is the Home Theater then I will turn them off and crank up Master Volume

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by BobbyMcGee

I am new to this hobby myself and still learning as I go. Perhaps as time passes or my equipment changes my general settings may change as well

One thing I am noticing is that the source plays a big part in settings as well. I find myself making small adjustments in order to optimize my sound experience dependant upon my source. But I guess that's what is great about these receivers since they have all these options available to do so.

I agree with you especially when going from bluray to TV programs.
I use DynEQ and DynVol (Light) off and on basd on several factors. There is no law that you should either keep those features on permanently or never use them at all.
Personally when playing an ew bluray movie for the first time, I keep them all off (especially Atmos blurays). If I go back and watch that particualr title again a second or third time I will then experiemnt a little with DynEQ and DynVol.
Also the time of the day will dictate whether I use them or not. During times when there is a lot of background noise (wife cooking, fan running, etc) I tend to use those features more often. If it is "Movie Night" and all we have on is the Home Theater then I will turn them off and crank up Master Volume

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by BobbyMcGee

I am new to this hobby myself and still learning as I go. Perhaps as time passes or my equipment changes my general settings may change as well

One thing I am noticing is that the source plays a big part in settings as well. I find myself making small adjustments in order to optimize my sound experience dependant upon my source. But I guess that's what is great about these receivers since they have all these options available to do so.

I agree with you especially when going from bluray to TV programs.
I use DynEQ and DynVol (Light) off and on basd on several factors. There is no law that you should either keep those features on permanently or never use them at all.
Personally when playing an ew bluray movie for the first time, I keep them all off (especially Atmos blurays). If I go back and watch that particualr title again a second or third time I will then experiemnt a little with DynEQ and DynVol.
Also the time of the day will dictate whether I use them or not. During times when there is a lot of background noise (wife cooking, fan running, etc) I tend to use those features more often. If it is "Movie Night" and all we have on is the Home Theater then I will turn them off and crank up Master Volume