The Official Energy Speakers Thread

[callas01]

Originally Posted by arrt vandelay

actually, if outlaw has their sale again at the same time this year, they don't charge shipping on their a-stock gear. they have free shipping on their b-stock gear year round it seems. i was curious to see what shipping would be on a brand new lfm-1 plus, and it came out to over $70! add that to the brand new price of a plus at $549...quite the pretty penny. outlaw does however seem to have 20% off sales w/ free shipping twice a year. so if i can hold out, that's where i'll look.

the a2-300 sounds fine w/ my energys. it just took me a while to adjust from what i had before, a hsu stf-2. the hsu was a much more musical sub and had higher output in the mid and upper bass regions(tuned to 25hz). the a2-300 is tuned lower(18hz) and did not have the musicality(sp?) of my hsu sub. that's not to say it doesn't sound good w/ music. the hsu was just a better performer in that area. the newer amp on the a2-300 also requires some more tweaking than their amps on earlier units. there's evidence of this on the official eD thread. alot of people got their a2-300s w/ the newer amps around the time i got mine, and there was a lot of wondering how to get the best sound out of it. the guys at eD were very helpful though as well as this board. suffice it to say, i'm happy w/ my eD now, and i may go w/ them again in my 2nd sub upgrade. the a3s-250 seems like it would be exactly what i'm looking for. i just have to do a little more real world research before pulling the trigger. the ml dynamo has been around a long while and has a proven track record, the newer eD not so much. of course i could just buy another stf-2, decisions...driving me mad...

oh my, just realized how much i typed. slow end of yr at work can yield all the time in the world...

Im on vacation, so that is why I am on here so much today/this week.

Hmm... I am getting a little concerned now about the amp and the driver being different....

Umm... how much tweaking did you have to do? and what kind? do you know what the sound difference is? good or bad?

[callas01]

Originally Posted by browndk26

I have the same 24 inch stands from Amazon. Work well for me with C-200's. See my gallery.

are you gonna get the C-50s? I hear they are starting to run out of them too.... soon there will be no more C series speakers out there...

[browndk26]

Originally Posted by callas01

are you gonna get the C-50s? I hear they are starting to run out of them too.... soon there will be no more C series speakers out there...

I don't know. I go back and forth in my mind about surrounds. If I do then I would have to get stands, more wire, hide the wire, etc. A carpet on the floor covering the wires would not meet the WAF.

[arrt vandelay]

Originally Posted by callas01

Im on vacation, so that is why I am on here so much today/this week.

Hmm... I am getting a little concerned now about the amp and the driver being different....

Umm... how much tweaking did you have to do? and what kind? do you know what the sound difference is? good or bad?

don't let me scare you away from the eD. it's a great sub and i most definitely love it. the only way i would replace it is if i was replacing w/ an eD a3-300, svs pb-12nsd, or an hsu vtf3 mk3.

the thing is, it's probably not going to be a plug in and play sub for most people. for me, i had to really experiment w/ placement, settings in my receiver, and settings on the amp to get to where i was satisfied. but around the time i got my a2-300, i also replaced my receiver(sont str dg820 to yamaha rx v765) and front speakers(polk monitor 50s and cs1 to energys) so i was fiddling w/ everything. the sub was the last thing i integrated w/ the new speakers and receiver, and it just had a different sound than that of the hsu stf-2 i had just sold to fund the a2-300. the hsu, i think, is more of a plug in and run w/ it sub. the eD requires a little tweaking, but if you read the first page of the eD thread and follow those steps you should be good. and most definitely, the eD will walk all over your current AA sub. it's surely one of the best $350 subs, if not the best...

[callas01]

Originally Posted by browndk26

I don't know. I go back and forth in my mind about surrounds. If I do then I would have to get stands, more wire, hide the wire, etc. A carpet on the floor covering the wires would not meet the WAF.

what I did in my old apt before I bought the house I am in is that I ran the wire just under the edge of the carpet around the living room and then once I got behind the couch just left it above the carpet and ran to the speakers. my wife was happy with it.

don't pull the carpet back too much or you will have to re-tack it back down with a rubber mallet

[callas01]

Originally Posted by arrt vandelay

don't let me scare you away from the eD. it's a great sub and i most definitely love it. the only way i would replace it is if i was replacing w/ an eD a3-300, svs pb-12nsd, or an hsu vtf3 mk3.

the thing is, it's probably not going to be a plug in and play sub for most people. for me, i had to really experiment w/ placement, settings in my receiver, and settings on the amp to get to where i was satisfied. but around the time i got my a2-300, i also replaced my receiver(sont str dg820 to yamaha rx v765) and front speakers(polk monitor 50s and cs1 to energys) so i was fiddling w/ everything. the sub was the last thing i integrated w/ the new speakers and receiver, and it just had a different sound than that of the hsu stf-2 i had just sold to fund the a2-300. the hsu, i think, is more of a plug in and run w/ it sub. the eD requires a little tweaking, but if you read the first page of the eD thread and follow those steps you should be good. and most definitely, the eD will walk all over your current AA sub. it's surely one of the best $350 subs, if not the best...

Ok, well that sounds better I was starting to think... I need to ready my wife for a real expense..... I am back on the eD bandwagon.

Off subject. Have you ran your Yamaha 765 w/o your amp, and how well did it push the Energys you have? I have the Sony 920, and the amp and powersupply are from the ES2400, I just don't have pre-outs and an RS232 port. However, I was listening to the Yamaha 1065 at BB, room I was in is about the same size as my living room, and it seemed that at every volume reference level I use watching TV, -24, -18, -14, -9, that the Sony was louder and stronger. The Yammy was hooked up to TSi 400s, I know that the Sony is a brighter receiver then the Yamaha, but I just could not find a way to justify spending $900 on the Yamaha. And it seems that the receivers weigh the same... Only the Yammy has the burr-browns... So I am still leaning towards a Marantz eventually.

OK, then on the Energys v your old Polks... can you please give me a review.. I have my opinion, but always love to hear others.

[arrt vandelay]

Originally Posted by callas01

Ok, well that sounds better I was starting to think... I need to ready my wife for a real expense..... I am back on the eD bandwagon.

Off subject. Have you ran your Yamaha 765 w/o your amp, and how well did it push the Energys you have? I have the Sony 920, and the amp and powersupply are from the ES2400, I just don't have pre-outs and an RS232 port. However, I was listening to the Yamaha 1065 at BB, room I was in is about the same size as my living room, and it seemed that at every volume reference level I use watching TV, -24, -18, -14, -9, that the Sony was louder and stronger. The Yammy was hooked up to TSi 400s, I know that the Sony is a brighter receiver then the Yamaha, but I just could not find a way to justify spending $900 on the Yamaha. And it seems that the receivers weigh the same... Only the Yammy has the burr-browns... So I am still leaning towards a Marantz eventually.

OK, then on the Energys v your old Polks... can you please give me a review.. I have my opinion, but always love to hear others.

i suppose you have to objectively think of how the yamaha rx v1065 was set up in the room you heard it in. in my room, w/ my c-500s bi-amped off of the 765(i know, some say this is a waste, but to my ears it sounded better than not being bi-amped), i thought it got plenty loud around -18db or so. in fact, i've never been above -15db for fear of damaging something. i don't have an spl meter and have been wanting to get one, but for my purposes the 765 is great and has enough juice for the energys. even now w/ my adcom, my receiver turns on w/ a default volume of -27db, and for regular tv watching, it's anywhere from -30db to -20db depending on the show. for blu-rays, it's around -18db or so, depending on the disc. for xbox 360, i have to go into the -30dbs b/c for some reason cod-mw2 is mixed really, really loud.

i ran my whole set up off of the 765 for about 3months until my wife got me the adcom for my b-day, and i never really thought it was lacking in volume. and i guess i know i still have some headroom w/ being afraid of the -15db point. the amp really just adds some "oomph" for 2 channel listening, and i suppose it allows the receiver to better power my center and surrounds. i can't really comment on how much of a difference though b/c i haven't really noticed one. i would like the adcom better if it had a 12v trigger, and i suppose i need to take it off the market since i came into a lot more $$$ for christmas than i was expecting. now that i'm used to the amp, i suppose a good experiment would be to take it out of the equation now to see a difference, but i'm lazy...

on energys vs polks... i guess what everyone else says is true about the polks being brighter. the polk monitors did not require as much power to get loud, and i think that's a good thing for ht. i suppose the main difference would be the polks have an "in your face" style the may appeal to someone who thinks "louder must be better" vs. the energys sound which you have to allow more time to appreciate. i suppose i don't have the most discerning ear, but i liked the way both the polks and energys sounded. in the future whenever i decide to buy new speakers, the polk rti line will surely be on my list as well as the energy rc line.

[MaCruz]

$999.. Is this a joke??

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...condition=used

[callas01]

Originally Posted by arrt vandelay

i suppose you have to objectively think of how the yamaha rx v1065 was set up in the room you heard it in. in my room, w/ my c-500s bi-amped off of the 765(i know, some say this is a waste, but to my ears it sounded better than not being bi-amped), i thought it got plenty loud around -18db or so. in fact, i've never been above -15db for fear of damaging something. i don't have an spl meter and have been wanting to get one, but for my purposes the 765 is great and has enough juice for the energys. even now w/ my adcom, my receiver turns on w/ a default volume of -27db, and for regular tv watching, it's anywhere from -30db to -20db depending on the show. for blu-rays, it's around -18db or so, depending on the disc. for xbox 360, i have to go into the -30dbs b/c for some reason cod-mw2 is mixed really, really loud.

i ran my whole set up off of the 765 for about 3months until my wife got me the adcom for my b-day, and i never really thought it was lacking in volume. and i guess i know i still have some headroom w/ being afraid of the -15db point. the amp really just adds some "oomph" for 2 channel listening, and i suppose it allows the receiver to better power my center and surrounds. i can't really comment on how much of a difference though b/c i haven't really noticed one. i would like the adcom better if it had a 12v trigger, and i suppose i need to take it off the market since i came into a lot more $$$ for christmas than i was expecting. now that i'm used to the amp, i suppose a good experiment would be to take it out of the equation now to see a difference, but i'm lazy...

on energys vs polks... i guess what everyone else says is true about the polks being brighter. the polk monitors did not require as much power to get loud, and i think that's a good thing for ht. i suppose the main difference would be the polks have an "in your face" style the may appeal to someone who thinks "louder must be better" vs. the energys sound which you have to allow more time to appreciate. i suppose i don't have the most discerning ear, but i liked the way both the polks and energys sounded. in the future whenever i decide to buy new speakers, the polk rti line will surely be on my list as well as the energy rc line.

its not that I don't think the 765 or 1065 wouldn't have enough juice, but knowing that they wont bench test fully to spec (neither does my sony) makes me want to wait and upgrade to the marantz in the future.... But I did like the sound of the Yamahas. However I don't know if there would be a real reason to upgrade for a Yamaha over the Sony except for pre-outs, and perhaps the sound of the Yamaha. I think I would get the biggest gain on a Marantz... I dont plan to ever use an amp in the future, so I want to have a receiver with true specs so that if I do go into Dali, Jamo or PSBs speakers it can handle 6 ohm speakers on its own.

I heard the Polk RTi's, honestly I was not over impressed with them over the TSi's, While I noticed a gain in overall range and slight improvement in tonality, they just didn't do it for me. I think for me, Energy RCs, the new PSB Images, Jamo Concert series or the Dali Concepts will be in my wheel house.

You should hear the Dali's. Awesome.

however, speakers and a sub will be 5-10 years out... I love the Energys.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by MaCruz

$999.. Is this a joke??

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...condition=used

no way, you can get the RC-10s from vanns.com for $299

Yes that is a Joke.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

no way, you can get the RC-10s from vanns.com for $299

Yes that is a Joke.

I was even able to get the RC-10 for 199$ at FS after 40 days liquidation period plus I was able to get the C-200 for 99$ not 999$

or the guy selling them thinks he's gonna catch a big fish.

[arrt vandelay]

anybody want my c-100s for $499?

[callas01]

Hey Arrt

do you use a sub riser for the eD?

OK and on another note.. I have a guy that is asking about buying my Sony 920 and that is why I was talking with you about the Yamaha, I see that I can get an 863 for about $470-500. There are a few Marantz's that are floating around my neighbor hood for about $600, but there is no way if I sell my Sony for $300-350 my wife is gonna be cool about the extra $300 for the Marantz. Esp. if I just bought an eD sub. So back to thinking about the Yamaha 863. I was concerned because it bench tested to 47 wpc with 5 or more... which has to be about the same as the Sony I have..... But I do like the sound of the Yamaha's when I listen to them at BB. Warm sounding but open and natural.... I cannot help but think that it is still an upgrade of some kind.... Plus even though I never plan on getting an amp, if I do get some 6 or 4 ohm speaker I will need or at least want an amp... so perhaps being ahead of the curve would be good... OH wow... The wife will probably flip if this happens.. Are the Yamahas easy to setup? Of course, this is all dependent on if I sell my reciever... cause nothing will happen until that does..

[Yautja]

Originally Posted by arrt vandelay

anybody want my c-100s for $499?

Good price but unfortunately I live in Oz
Your best bet would be e-bay

[arrt vandelay]

Originally Posted by Yautja

Good price but unfortunately I live in Oz
Your best bet would be e-bay

hey somebody might buy 'em for that rediculous price. i was really being sarcastic about the c-200s going for $999 on amazon...

[arrt vandelay]

Originally Posted by callas01

Hey Arrt

do you use a sub riser for the eD?

OK and on another note.. I have a guy that is asking about buying my Sony 920 and that is why I was talking with you about the Yamaha, I see that I can get an 863 for about $470-500. There are a few Marantz's that are floating around my neighbor hood for about $600, but there is no way if I sell my Sony for $300-350 my wife is gonna be cool about the extra $300 for the Marantz. Esp. if I just bought an eD sub. So back to thinking about the Yamaha 863. I was concerned because it bench tested to 47 wpc with 5 or more... which has to be about the same as the Sony I have..... But I do like the sound of the Yamaha's when I listen to them at BB. Warm sounding but open and natural.... I cannot help but think that it is still an upgrade of some kind.... Plus even though I never plan on getting an amp, if I do get some 6 or 4 ohm speaker I will need or at least want an amp... so perhaps being ahead of the curve would be good... OH wow... The wife will probably flip if this happens.. Are the Yamahas easy to setup? Of course, this is all dependent on if I sell my reciever... cause nothing will happen until that does..

i use an auralex gramma w/ my eD b/c i have hardwoods. also(this is pretty stupid), i hate the way the hourglass feet look so i stayed w/ spikes in spite of my floor, and i already had the gramma pad from my old hsu stf-2. there's a pic of the a2-300 in my gallery barely fitting on the gramma. the spikes just barely fit on there.

i'd have to say that yamahas are about the easiest receivers to set up i've ever come across. very user friendly...

[callas01]

Originally Posted by arrt vandelay

i use an auralex gramma w/ my eD b/c i have hardwoods. also(this is pretty stupid), i hate the way the hourglass feet look so i stayed w/ spikes in spite of my floor, and i already had the gramma pad from my old hsu stf-2. there's a pic of the a2-300 in my gallery barely fitting on the gramma. the spikes just barely fit on there.

i'd have to say that yamahas are about the easiest receivers to set up i've ever come across. very user friendly...

OK, I cannot believe that I have never seen your setup... I gave it a 10. WOW, like you said the gramma barely fits.... are the spikes on the edges of the riser? I bought this house and it has linoleum floors, I don't care so much about the marks the spikes will leave because I plan to carpet within a year or so, and I am just gonna go right over the linoleum anyways. However, I cant help but think a riser is going to be a good investment... Plus the help smooth out the bass right?

[arrt vandelay]

Originally Posted by callas01

OK, I cannot believe that I have never seen your setup... I gave it a 10. WOW, like you said the gramma barely fits.... are the spikes on the edges of the riser? I bought this house and it has linoleum floors, I don't care so much about the marks the spikes will leave because I plan to carpet within a year or so, and I am just gonna go right over the linoleum anyways. However, I cant help but think a riser is going to be a good investment... Plus the help smooth out the bass right?

the spikes really are pretty much right on the edge w/ a tiny bit of space between them. the length of the gramma fits pretty much perfectly for the sub. it's definitely a worthwhile investment, it smooths things out a little as well. i bought back when i lived in a townhome to tame some of the bass from my old sub. if i get another downfiring sub, i'm going to be buying another for sure.

get this, i was talking w/ the wifey yesterday, and she was actually open to the idea of me getting another a2-300! she was like, "well, it's your money, you should spend it on what you want." oh my, so now a twin is an option, i just have no idea where in the heck i'd put the thing in my current set-up. my current 2nd sub is right behind my couch, and it fits under the table, out of sight, very well. i have no idea where i'd put another monster. it can't go behind the couch; i don't have another corner. i also don't want the living room to be totally dominated by subwooferdom(for sake of a happy home). so, now i'm leaning towards a martin logan dynamo(watching on on ebay now), but i may do some measuring around the house this weekend to see if i can really fit another a2-300 somewhere...

[Bluray_ne1]

Originally Posted by arrt vandelay

get this, i was talking w/ the wifey yesterday, and she was actually open to the idea of me getting another a2-300! she was like, "well, it's your money, you should spend it on what you want." oh my, so now a twin is an option...

Does she have a sister?

[callas01]

Originally Posted by arrt vandelay

the spikes really are pretty much right on the edge w/ a tiny bit of space between them. the length of the gramma fits pretty much perfectly for the sub. it's definitely a worthwhile investment, it smooths things out a little as well. i bought back when i lived in a townhome to tame some of the bass from my old sub. if i get another downfiring sub, i'm going to be buying another for sure.

get this, i was talking w/ the wifey yesterday, and she was actually open to the idea of me getting another a2-300! she was like, "well, it's your money, you should spend it on what you want." oh my, so now a twin is an option, i just have no idea where in the heck i'd put the thing in my current set-up. my current 2nd sub is right behind my couch, and it fits under the table, out of sight, very well. i have no idea where i'd put another monster. it can't go behind the couch; i don't have another corner. i also don't want the living room to be totally dominated by subwooferdom(for sake of a happy home). so, now i'm leaning towards a martin logan dynamo(watching on on ebay now), but i may do some measuring around the house this weekend to see if i can really fit another a2-300 somewhere...

Cool, it is nice when the wifes are ok with upgrading HT stuff... My wife likes the HT experience as much as I do, I don't think she like the reference level volume as much as me, but she likes it loud... Heck she is playing XBOX 360 right now...
What if you put the sub underneath the table behind the couch? Then maybe you could put the AA on the side of the right speaker like you have the eD over on the left side....