Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Sometime in the near future I am going to look into adding Britbox to my Amazon Prime. If they offer things like Keeping Up Appearances, Benny Hill, etc. it would be worth it.

Do you watch Louis Theroux documentaries? Great shows, I have seen every one.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Golly, I don't know about all that, , but I bet it will be seen around here forthwith, henceforth, and sure as succotash.

Subparscription? Yeah, I think I will remember that one.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Subparscription? Yeah, I think I will remember that one.

Yea, Subpar for the people that don't have the Bandwidth or have to deal with Caps, but the Quality is there with enough Bandwidth. That's why I say Fiber is The Future, and Hard Wired for your UHD TV and Wireless for your Mobile Devices!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

All you guys are Drama Queens, nobody knows exactly when things die. Do you want to know when you die, I don't. One day you're there, the next day you are gone. It just happens fast, especially with Technology, but like I said it's all Digital now. Movies have been available Digital since DVD, the only thing is the Access. Disc is just a Storage Device, put it on a Server and you have the same thing. How about, Discs will Phase Out!

So much goes over your head, it should come as no surprise that the simplest and most obvious humor would, also.

Yes, you do keep repeating that "it's all digital now" and that is just as meaningless this time as it was every other time that you have said it. Digital files vary widely in type and even when limited to video and audio files they most certainly are not all equal to one another. It is a pointless statement made by someone whose only point is atop their cranium.

Storing a movie on a server (discs are not stored on servers; files are) or on an optical disc is not in any way the same thing. Anyone with any reasoning ability already knows this; explaining the differences to you again would be futile just as nearly all conversations with you are futile.

Discs are not being phased out. Substituting the word "phase" for your usual choices, "dying" or "dead", does not make your recurring stupid comment any less stupid. If you are so certain that discs will cease to be manufactured, say when already that we may have more reason to laugh at you when that date arrives and you are proven to be wrong yet again.

[veritas]

The main reason imo the digital market is even pushed is because of how much value the used market gives consumers.

Anyway I am kind of curious at what percentage off full price do you guys buy something used instead of something new or is it more of a dollar amount? I have an item I am eyeing right now that I could buy for 12 dollars used from a third party or 16 new from a third party and I realized that is the price point where I cant decide which to go for.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by veritas

Anyway I am kind of curious at what percentage off full price do you guys buy something used instead of something new or is it more of a dollar amount?

Sometimes I buy used from an Amazon vendor if there is several dollars in savings and if the vendor has a really good rating.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by veritas

The main reason imo the digital market is even pushed is because of how much value the used market gives consumers.

Anyway I am kind of curious at what percentage off full price do you guys buy something used instead of something new or is it more of a dollar amount? I have an item I am eyeing right now that I could buy for 12 dollars used from a third party or 16 new from a third party and I realized that is the price point where I cant decide which to go for.

I do not buy used discs unless it is the only option. When it is the only option that also usually means that it is an out of print title that I get to pay out the nose to obtain. Seeing as I often buy lots of new titles at great sale prices, I feel the occasional extravagant purchase balances things nicely- rationalization at is finest!

I prefer new merchandise in almost every instance and in almost every category of product. New merchandise is often easier to exchange if there is a problem. Even though problems with discs are rare, damage incurred during shipment is all too common.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yeah thanks Alchav. I didn’t know life is fragile and any one of us could be dead at any time. Thanks for that, it’s come as s massive shock but I feel it is something that you had to do. I feel truly enlightened.

The sarcasm will be lost here. Your gratitude will be happily accepted for the "enlightenment" you received.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Yea, Subpar for the people that don't have the Bandwidth or have to deal with Caps, but the Quality is there with enough Bandwidth. That's why I say Fiber is The Future, and Hard Wired for your UHD TV and Wireless for your Mobile Devices!

Fiber is less the future and more something that your diet desperately needs to combat what you are so full of.

Streaming quality, while often very good, does not equal the corresponding disc format in either video or in audio quality. This has been objectively verified from numerous sources despite your insistence otherwise. People who actually have real credentials, unlike you anchovy21, have stated this in many articles on the subject. Citing them again for you would be a waste of time as facts can not penetrate your armor of willful ignorance.

The best bandwidth available and a network as hard-wired as you are hard-headed will not change any of these facts. The bitrates do not lie; streaming bitrates, adaptive notwithstanding, are a fraction of what we see from disc playback. Streaming offers lossy audio while disc often offers lossless. And data caps do not affect the quality, only the potential cost of one's internet service.

Real computer professionals, not self-aggrandized cable installers like yourself, have stated multiple times that a wireless network is way more than capable to stream the highly compressed files and tiny bitrates associated with all levels of streaming. Many of these same professionals use wireless home networks themselves. Yes, they really do know better than you. Only in those very rare instances where problems regularly manifest does one need to have a wired network. Most people use wireless home networks and have no problems doing so. If they were having problems, they would switch from a wireless network to a wired one. It is easy to do; we know this because even you can do it.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

So much goes over your head, it should come as no surprise that the simplest and most obvious humor would, also.

Yes, you do keep repeating that "it's all digital now" and that is just as meaningless this time as it was every other time that you have said it. Digital files vary widely in type and even when limited to video and audio files they most certainly are not all equal to one another. It is a pointless statement made by someone whose only point is atop their cranium.

Storing a movie on a server or on an optical disc is not in any way the same thing. Anyone with any reasoning ability already knows this; explaining the differences to you again would be futile just as nearly all conversations with you are futile.

Discs are not being phased out. Substituting the word "phase" for your usual choice, "dying" or "dead", does not make your recurring stupid comment any less stupid. If you are so certain that discs will cease to be manufactured, say when already that we may have more reason to laugh at you when that date arrives and you are proven to be wrong yet again.

Talk about things going over your head, you guys take the lead. I have Stored Movies on a Server, and Streamed from there. So like you said, if I can do it anyone can. 1:1 Sound and all. Discs are dying a slow death, but they will be around a while they'll just cost more.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Talk about things going over your head, you guys take the lead. I have Stored Movies on a Server, and Streamed from there. So like you said, if I can do it anyone can. 1:1 Sound and all. Discs are dying a slow death, but they will be around a while they'll just cost more.

First, so what? Who, besides you, cares where you have stored movies? It means nothing and proves less. The only thing you are right about is that anyone can store a file.

Discs are not dying any kind of death. The verifiable and objectively measured sales data proves otherwise. 4k discs, in particular, are growing in sales at a rate of 130%.

Discs sales, overall, are in a decline. Decline is not the same as death. Declines eventually plateau; few declines result in a product ceasing to exist. Discs still outsell digital codes by 2:1 according to 2017's sales data. These are facts, based on actual data.

All we have from you are your ceaselessly repeated predictions based on nothing but your anti-disc bias and your anecdotal observations. You cite no evidence to support your delusional beliefs because, firstly, there is none, and secondly, you are too lazy to even try.

You just expect us to believe you because your family and friends allegedly do not buy discs despite your admitting one sentence later that they all own disc collections. You can't even avoid contradicting yourself in the same paragraph! You could not have less credibility, but if it is somehow possible, you will find a way.

Exhibit A:

"None that I talked with, bought or rented Discs. They used Amazon, Netflix, or their TV Provider. Their Disc Collection was small"

Those are your words, your brain in action.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...ostcount=10189

Again, if you are so confident that discs are dying, say when. Give us the benefit of that unique intellect of yours and your habitually hallucinated visions and tell us when we can expect discs to die. Put up or shut up. Of course, we know you will do neither.

You seldom, if ever, buy discs so do not lecture us about disc prices. It is just another area in which you prove yourself to know nothing. I buy discs every single month and I track prices of many more. Prices have been stable and bargains abound during frequent sales. Again, you have no evidence of future price increases- just more nonsense you pulled out of your...

By your "reasoning" CDs should be very expensive now. They are not. Their prices are stable with frequent sales, also. They still make them and they are readily available for purchase. Care to worsen your abysmal record and predict their fate, too?

Those of us who actually buy a product on a recurring basis know if we are paying more, less, or the same. Notice how I rarely comment on the price of those digital code cards sold in stores? It's because I do not buy them.

The "Deals" section, listed in red lettering at the top of every single page of this website currently lists 1,123 titles that are on sale. These are just what Amazon is offering. The facts always prove you wrong. And proving you wrong requires so little effort- it's like shooting fish in a barrel with a bazooka.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Discs are dying a slow death, but they will be around a while they'll just cost more.

To be fair Alchav, I remember hearing the same thing said about vinyl when CD's were introduced in the early 80's, yet they are still around. Admittedly, vinyl is quite expensive now and doesn't sell in mass quantities like it used to, but the point is so long as there's a profitable market for vinyl (this would apply to any format of course), then they will continue to exist.

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by veritas

The main reason imo the digital market is even pushed is because of how much value the used market gives consumers.

Anyway I am kind of curious at what percentage off full price do you guys buy something used instead of something new or is it more of a dollar amount? I have an item I am eyeing right now that I could buy for 12 dollars used from a third party or 16 new from a third party and I realized that is the price point where I cant decide which to go for.

For Digital HD, I wait until it's $9.99 or less.

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by CV19

To be fair Alchav, I remember hearing the same thing said about vinyl when CD's were introduced in the early 80's, yet they are still around. Admittedly, vinyl is quite expensive now and doesn't sell in mass quantities like it used to, but the point is so long as there's a profitable market for vinyl (this would apply to any format of course), then they will continue to exist.

To be fair, I don't know really anyone who still buys vinyl records. The only people I know who buy CDs are 30+ years of age like myself. Nearly everyone I know uses streaming or goes on iTunes. But yes you are right all these formats are still going to be around so long as they are profitable.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

To be fair, I don't know really anyone who still buys vinyl records. The only people I know who buy CDs are 30+ years of age like myself. Nearly everyone I know uses streaming or goes on iTunes. But yes you are right all these formats are still going to be around so long as they are profitable.

I know several people who buy Vinyl but to be fair, two of them are DJ’s.

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I know several people who buy Vinyl but to be fair, two of them are DJ’s.

Not to go off on a tangent, but I just don't get why people buy vinyl. There is nothing to be gained in sound quality as the vast majority come from digital masters anyway. They cost a lot more than buying the album in iTunes or on a CD. The equipment to play them costs a lot (unless you use something cheap like a Crossley or AT LP60). I could understand why a lot of folks started buying SACD because the mastering was usually better and many would play on a CD player. From a technical standpoint, a CD or high-res digital should sound much closer to the original recording than any vinyl record would.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

To be fair, I don't know really anyone who still buys vinyl records. The only people I know who buy CDs are 30+ years of age like myself.

I do know a couple of music enthusiasts who buy vinyl - they're about my age (just slightly north of 50), and they do have really top end hi-fi equipment but as you mention, whether that vinyl sounds better than a CD has always been open to debate with record enthusiasts.

Vinyl is more of a niche market nowadays, and many newly released albums do sell for upwards of £20 - you can pay silly money if only a few have been pressed, or they're collectors releases for example. But I was surprised myself how even some of today's pop/rock groups do issue their albums on vinyl as well as CD - not all do, it has to be said.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

Not to go off on a tangent, but I just don't get why people buy vinyl. There is nothing to be gained in sound quality as the vast majority come from digital masters anyway. They cost a lot more than buying the album in iTunes or on a CD. The equipment to play them costs a lot (unless you use something cheap like a Crossley or AT LP60). I could understand why a lot of folks started buying SACD because the mastering was usually better and many would play on a CD player. From a technical standpoint, a CD or high-res digital should sound much closer to the original recording than any vinyl record would.

You had to be around at the time they were huge. It was the excitement of new release albums, browsing the beautiful covers with often excellent artwork. It was the community of music lovers who would meet and discuss the latest groups in the stores (often at the end of the week when everyone was paid! ) It was getting home and resting the needle on the vinyl. It was the warmth of the audio and the pride in owning them. I will forever love vinyl.

All the digital stuff is just so cold and clinical now. I really miss the heyday of music. It was magical.

[stonesfan129]

I've got a lot of vinyl records. Mine are original pressings that I inherited from my parents when they moved. I never got the impression that they sounded better than the same thing on a CD. Admit it, it's nostalgia. It doesn't sound better.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It was getting home and resting the needle on the vinyl. It was the warmth of the audio and the pride in owning them. I will forever love vinyl.

I think the physical aspect of it was part of the attraction. I've always liked vinyl myself and still have a number of records from the late 70's and 1980's which I bought when I was a young lad.