ABC's "Lost" Discussion (2004-2010)

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Zvi

Yeah, imagine how long this thread would've lasted if everyone was posting the same "OMG! such a good show, let's rewatch"

Well, if we take out the 300 or so pages of you complaining about it, yeah.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Well, if we take out the 300 or so pages of you complaining about it, yeah.

most complaints about the show 100% true... its the people that cant seem to see any of them have me scratching my head

[X12Celtics3]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

most complaints about the show 100% true... its the people that cant seem to see any of them have me scratching my head

Meh. Its personal opinion. Personally, I strongly disliked the sixth season, but people who did like it might have liked some of the aspects that I disliked just like I might have hated elements that fans of the season enjoyed. Neither side is right or wrong in this, although sometimes it is hard to understand the opposing argument if you are strongly set on one side of the argument.

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Well, if we take out the 300 or so pages of you complaining about it, yeah.

Uhmm, take out all the discussions(and I joined here really late) and you have the one liner, "lost is best, let's re-watch". You can definitely open another thread where only S6 admirers will be allowed I promise, I won't be blaspheming in there, this one is for discussions and theories, where all opinions are equal.

[LOSTnLOST]

Originally Posted by X12Celtics3

Meh. Its personal opinion. Personally, I strongly disliked the sixth season, but people who did like it might have liked some of the aspects that I disliked just like I might have hated elements that fans of the season enjoyed. Neither side is right or wrong in this, although sometimes it is hard to understand the opposing argument if you are strongly set on one side of the argument.

Im glad you see it like that. You probably hate Across the Sea i presume.

I friggin love that episode, its fascinating to me. I could almost watch it on a loop.

[X12Celtics3]

Originally Posted by LOSTnLOST

Im glad you see it like that. You probably hate Across the Sea i presume.

I friggin love that episode, its fascinating to me. I could almost watch it on a loop.

Yeah, I wasn't a big fan. The only episode all season that I really enjoyed was the Richart-centric one, which was a fantastic stand-alone episode. Across the Sea seemed odd to me. It felt like they had been trying to build up MiB as the bad guy, and then this episode just kind of showed up and said "well, he is the antagonist, but hes really not that much of a bad guy...". It seemed counter-productive to me, and I personally cringed when I saw the light in the cave. I tried to like it, but like the rest of the season I just couldn't.

[CYMBOL]

Originally Posted by LOSTnLOST

Im glad you see it like that. You probably hate Across the Sea i presume.

I friggin love that episode, its fascinating to me. I could almost watch it on a loop.

Which episode is that? The one about the boys origins on the island?

Originally Posted by X12Celtics3

Yeah, I wasn't a big fan. The only episode all season that I really enjoyed was the Richart-centric one, which was a fantastic stand-alone episode. Across the Sea seemed odd to me. It felt like they had been trying to build up MiB as the bad guy, and then this episode just kind of showed up and said "well, he is the antagonist, but hes really not that much of a bad guy...". It seemed counter-productive to me, and I personally cringed when I saw the light in the cave. I tried to like it, but like the rest of the season I just couldn't.

I actually found the Richard centric episode - not that informative. There wasn't anything wrong with it - superbly acted and written, however, it didn't further the story happening on the island and didn't fill in any gaps for me (I knew he was given the ability not to age). Why did he get this special gift from Jacob beyond all others who came to the island? Beats me.

My problem with Richard is that we had this big backstory - that led to nothing. Richard was not instrumental in beating MiB. At the end, he gets on a plane and leaves the island (seems like he might have been the ideal choice to continue Jacob's work - but I guess Hurley was more fitting.)

[dannyk8232]

As someone who used to frequent this thread (and essentially ONLY this thread) for my lost-crack addiction.....I have a few thoughts...

1. There are people both satisfied and dissatisfied with the result of the show. There is no stopping that...

2. I read up until a couple pages back, but the arguments became heated and tired...but Zvi (among a few others) has been a major contributor to this thread for ages. Whether or not the ending/last season/whatever was appreciated by Zvi is completely irrelevant. However, Zvi continues time-and-time-again to make an argument. This is what made this thread GREAT.

3. As I rewatch the series (middle of s3), things seem to make a lot of sense. Certain characters could not be killed. Certain events had context. And there are many answers embedded throughout the series.

4. Season 2 is my favorite. Lots of interesting action throughout.

5. The 12 minute extra scenes after the finale answer a few major questions to satiate those who feel there was too much left unaddressed. Again, whether or not this was done too late is now completely irrelevant.

Just my $.02

[thePhoenix]

Originally Posted by LOSTnLOST

Im glad you see it like that. You probably hate Across the Sea i presume.

I friggin love that episode, its fascinating to me. I could almost watch it on a loop.

The first time I saw Across the Sea I was dissapointed. I think I was expecting something way more complex or shocking. I appreciated it a lot more the second time watching.

[iam1bearcat]

Originally Posted by CYMBOL

So, anyone else have any thoughts on this one - very interested to see what others think.

you though Richard would take over for Jacob? how long did you think that? all the way up until the show ended? i never ONCE thought that. especially after he's "lost his faith" because of Jacob.

he's been on that island for how damn long... why would he want to stay and take over for protecting it? especially when the person who granted him eternal life essentially lied to him and led him astray for so long leaving Richard bitter?

sure, he could leave from time to time, but if i was Richard i would have wanted on that plane too and left asap. especially once he realized he was starting to age, he' want to live his life, not spend another second on the island.

just my take, but i never saw Richard as the person to take over. essentially he already WAS kind of Jacob before we really knew Jacob, so he kind of already had the role.

[iam1bearcat]

Originally Posted by thePhoenix

The first time I saw Across the Sea I was dissapointed. I think I was expecting something way more complex or shocking. I appreciated it a lot more the second time watching.

did you first watch it when it aired?

i've found that some episodes that i watched while the show aired bugged me because then i had to wait another six days (or longer!) to see what was next. but on blu-ray, when you can fly through episodes / seasons some episodes that had minor issues aren't as bad when you don't have to wait.

also, i think (and this still applies imo) that Across the Sea is terribly placed in season 6. i think it would have been better placed earlier in season 6 so we could think and have what we learn in that episode linger longer than just having a few hours left after that.

but that's just a minor nitpick

[X12Celtics3]

Originally Posted by CYMBOL

Which episode is that? The one about the boys origins on the island?



I actually found the Richard centric episode - not that informative. There wasn't anything wrong with it - superbly acted and written, however, it didn't further the story happening on the island and didn't fill in any gaps for me (I knew he was given the ability not to age). Why did he get this special gift from Jacob beyond all others who came to the island? Beats me.

My problem with Richard is that we had this big backstory - that led to nothing. Richard was not instrumental in beating MiB. At the end, he gets on a plane and leaves the island (seems like he might have been the ideal choice to continue Jacob's work - but I guess Hurley was more fitting.)

Well, I did say it was a good stand-alone episode. Maybe thats why I liked it so much. As somebody who didn't like the majority of the season, I guess seeing an episode that leaves behind the major developments of the season would be a good thing. I too was disappointed with Richard's ending, but that has more to do with how I was disappointed with the season as a whole than this particular episode.

While watching the final season I kept bearing with it hoping that it would come together in the end. Really, I feel that a good ending could have made the season great for my tastes. However, I didn't enjoy the finale and, as a result, didn't like many of the things that led up to it. Ab Aeterno is an exception.

[CYMBOL]

Originally Posted by iam1bearcat

you though Richard would take over for Jacob?

That's what I said, yes.

how long did you think that? all the way up until the show ended?

No - I thought it would be Jack - certainly not Hurley. Richard was a much more logical selection then Hurley.

i never ONCE thought that. especially after he's "lost his faith" because of Jacob.

Jack wasn't exactly the shining example of blind faith until nearly the end.

he's been on that island for how damn long... why would he want to stay and take over for protecting it? especially when the person who granted him eternal life essentially lied to him and led him astray for so long leaving Richard bitter?

He never seemed to mind being on the island before - so, why wouldn't he want to continue? But that was my point - what was the point of Richard's story? He seemed to be being groomed by Jacob for something - only to get nothing out of it. I really wasn't sure what the writers wanted me to get from his story.

just my take, but i never saw Richard as the person to take over. essentially he already WAS kind of Jacob before we really knew Jacob, so he kind of already had the role.

Exactly why he seemed to be the natural pick.

[LOSTnLOST]

Originally Posted by CYMBOL

I actually found the Richard centric episode - not that informative.

It gave the answer to what the island is LOL.

[wallendo]

Originally Posted by CYMBOL

So, anyone else have any thoughts on this one - very interested to see what others think.

I agree. In fact, a lot of characters seemed to be set up for something big that never came.

What bothered me, was that the producers brought in the Temple people in the last season (and then killed them all off), instead of concentrating on the characters (and mysteries) that many of us cared about.

[thePhoenix]

Originally Posted by iam1bearcat

did you first watch it when it aired?

i've found that some episodes that i watched while the show aired bugged me because then i had to wait another six days (or longer!) to see what was next. but on blu-ray, when you can fly through episodes / seasons some episodes that had minor issues aren't as bad when you don't have to wait.

also, i think (and this still applies imo) that Across the Sea is terribly placed in season 6. i think it would have been better placed earlier in season 6 so we could think and have what we learn in that episode linger longer than just having a few hours left after that.

but that's just a minor nitpick

Yeah, I watched the original airing. Season 6 was actually the only season I watched when it originally aired. All the other seasons I watched on Blu.

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by LOSTnLOST

It gave the answer to what the island is LOL.

You mean the malfunctioning cork theory? That was worth waiting for 6 years?

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by iam1bearcat

he's been on that island for how damn long... why would he want to stay and take over for protecting it?

Uhmm, lemme see, he'd want to be a boss because:
a) As usual humans don't mind more power and promotions.
b) Living on the island gives him immortality and inexplicably, access to large amounts of funds, from what we saw, neither Jacob, nor Ben, or several others were having problems with money.
c) Access/control of fair amount of minions/followers.
d) Unlike poor MIB, protector is not restricted/marooned on the island.
e) As Richard himself said, no matter how long, he still enjoyed the view
f) No health insurance, or health issues for that matter.

You couldn't really think of not even one reason huh

Originally Posted by iam1bearcat

especially when the person who granted him eternal life essentially lied to him and led him astray for so long leaving Richard bitter?

So? The guy gave him immortality, he's dead, perfect place to take over and make things right... Why kill yourself after a liar anyway. Lesson - blind faith is no good.

[The_Basterd]

Almost done with Season 5..... I am zooming through this. No sleep for me.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by X12Celtics3

Meh. Its personal opinion. Personally, I strongly disliked the sixth season, but people who did like it might have liked some of the aspects that I disliked just like I might have hated elements that fans of the season enjoyed. Neither side is right or wrong in this, although sometimes it is hard to understand the opposing argument if you are strongly set on one side of the argument.

oh of course... thats not really what i meant... i meant, after seeing it all...how can you say that they gave us legitimite answers to some of the mysteries of the show... then they basically say that the show was never about the mysteries but character developement.... while yes, the show was very character driven, which is part of the reason why i love this show... it is a cop out answer... they had no plan of giving us answers as they were seemingly making it episode by episode....