The Goonies 4K UHD (1985)

[Owenjohnston]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Do you have any kind of contrast enhancer set to on? And is your black level at the default?

(The nits setting on the OPPO doesn't do a thing unless you're watching stuff in SDR conversion, it's not meant for actual HDR viewing.)

That would explain why the nits were greyed out. I had my tv calibrated and any enhancers etc are switched off.
I think gamma is 2.4. Could that be the problem?

Edit:
I've changed video settings to force DV where possible and set DV to TV-led. It doesn't seem to be flickering now, but the LG still says it's HDR, not DV, so I dunno if it even changed anything and also don't want to be screwing around with the colour settings.

[bladexdsl]

now this is how a 4k remaster is done right. no grain with great color and sharpness the way 4k was meant to be unlike them terrible remasters like grain busters, back to the grain and total macro blocking. see it can be done properly when the studio isn't downright lazy!

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by bladexdsl

now this is how a 4k remaster is done right. no grain with great color and sharpness the way 4k was meant to be unlike them terrible remasters like grain busters, back to the grain and total macro blocking. see it can be done properly when the studio isn't downright lazy!

Grain is part of the image texture. If there is no grain (a lot or a little depending on film stock, film gauge, and exposure, etc.) on something shot on film... then they did it wrong.

[bradnoyes]

For me, Goonies is the movie that really drove home that there is no such thing as "tastefully done" DNR. This is probably the best example of a UHD that's been wiped nearly clean of grain but still retains most of its detail, yet it still looks wrong. I can enjoy the movie, but it's still a disappointment.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Something about this all around just doesn't look right to me. Even the HDR grading is odd. There are many scenes where the made the brights way brighter but left everything else the same, that is not natural at all and not what real HDR is. And it just doesn't look like film or video, just sort of odd.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW

Something about this all around just doesn't look right to me. Even the HDR grading is odd. There are many scenes where the made the brights way brighter but left everything else the same, that is not natural at all and not what real HDR is. And it just doesn't look like film or video, just sort of odd.

I'm wondering if this isn't an early 4k mastering effort that WB finally dusted off.

[Bluyoda]

While, I would most certainly have preferred a more natural transfer, such as Gremlins, this one could have turned out much worse too, with smearing, etc., but at least they did a great job. It's certainly sad that people want squeaky clean transfers instead of authentic ones.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

I'm wondering if this isn't an early 4k mastering effort that WB finally dusted off.

An early remastering effort that took the time to rebuild the old optical opening credits from OG neg years before people started doing such things? Nah dude, not everything has to be a conspiracy.

Originally Posted by WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW

Something about this all around just doesn't look right to me. Even the HDR grading is odd. There are many scenes where the made the brights way brighter but left everything else the same, that is not natural at all and not what real HDR is. And it just doesn't look like film or video, just sort of odd.

Bullshit. Who's to say what "real HDR" is? My preference for HDR, especially on catalogue stuff that was never, ever intended for it, is exactly like that in Goonies, keeping the ambience on or about SDR levels of average brightness and keeping the peak brightness - which isn't super bright anyway - reserved for the speculars. I think it's a lovely little grade in general, not one to show off with but then I don't give a fook about that.

[KcMsterpce]

I think The Goonies looks great in 4k. It's polite, efficient, and isn't showy. It just works, and provides a very film-like presentation. I am quite happy with it. It makes me feel content. Like, a warm blanket on a cool day next to a cozy fire.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

An early remastering effort that took the time to rebuild the old optical opening credits from OG neg years before people started doing such things? Nah dude, not everything has to be a conspiracy.


Bullshit. Who's to say what "real HDR" is? My preference for HDR, especially on catalogue stuff that was never, ever intended for it, is exactly like that in Goonies, keeping the ambience on or about SDR levels of average brightness and keeping the peak brightness - which isn't super bright anyway - reserved for the speculars. I think it's a lovely little grade in general, not one to show off with but then I don't give a fook about that.

BS?

Real HDR doesn't keep things that should have looked brighter stuck in the depths and barely bring back a hint more highlight detail and then just make the white sky go extra bright.

When you shot HDR you shoot to protect highlights but that then makes the rest of things too dark so you raise up the mid tones a lot and the shadows some (except of course for the very deepest shadows) and then you end up getting something more like how it seems to the real eye when you were there.

Like when they were racing around on the bikes around that bend on that road, all the kids and the road look way too dark for how the eye would have seen it and there isn't much shadow detail either. All they did is kept all that stuff dark (as it had to be shot to not utterly blow the sky to 100% pure white) and then pumped up the sky a bit without raising up the midtones and expanding shadow detail. Now maybe there was nothing much in the negative to be able to do that, maybe even the midtones would've turned to too much noise and there were no shadow details captured at all, but then forcing something that simply wasn't shot like HDR into a weird HDR where you just boost up a few bright tones that isn't proper HDR at all and it looks even more unnatural. Same for how some of the scenes in town act, the shiny parts on the road and so on, it's just forced and faked up and looks even less natural than the SDR since it probably wasn't shot in a way that one could make real HDR out of it. A lot of times when shooting midtones become unnaturally dark since they don't wanna totally blow highlights, when shooting with HDR in mind you have enough DR captured in the right way to then bring things all back to natural tone curve later. Some stuff shot in SDR or certain ways on certain film can't really be converted to really proper HDR, wasn't shot for that.

Talking in general, some HDR scenes on some discs will be like exact same as a blu-ray but then with a few white spots boosted to 10,000,000 cd/m^2 and yet without any extra detail up there at all. Comes across very fake looking and zaps the eyes in an unnatural way.

[Geoff D]

If there's nothing more in the lowlights or highlights then there's nothing more, but I see plenty more range in the bit with the kids on the road. The sky is still blown out but the speculars on the Tarmac are not and the various branches of the trees are resolved more keenly as well, not clipped away like they are in the SDR, all without overwhelming the average brightness and lowlights of the kids themselves. If the average level is too dark then that's on your tone mapping, not on the source, just like that Films at Home wonk who said it was too dark.

But what does "the real eye when you were there" have to do with anything? HDR is a tool like anything else, it's not a guarantee of Ultimate Realism. If I were there I'd have prolly needed sunglasses to be able to resolve the brightness of the background as well as the lowlights on the foreground, but with HDR I don't have to.

[Mobe1969]

I know I'm late to the game, and I hate speaking ill of movies, and appreciate even the worst in that a group of people made the effort out of a good place. I was born 69, so sort of fit in the wheelhouse of people who should have discovered and loved it as a young person, but due to nutbag parents I never got to see it, and never got around to it until now. But gee, as a 51 year old, the entire movie is a bunch of annoying kids with bad acting, bad direction, stupid tomfoolery, and incessant, irritating YELLING! Yelling! ALL the time. I mean I don't think if I saw this in my youth I'd have liked it. I mean if the kids in Stand By Me or Lost Boys or IT acted like this, I'd have hated those too. Got to be the direction and intent though. But oh gee, just not for me. And I don't get everything I heard about this movie the last 35 years. I can't correlate what I heard to what I watched...

Was awesome seeing Josh Brolin though. Didn't realize he was in it. And after seeing LOTR recently was cool seeing Aston also! Liked how they managed to sneak a reference to Gremlins in it, setting it in the same universe I guess.

[JimRochester]

Originally Posted by Mobe1969

I know I'm late to the game, and I hate speaking ill of movies, and appreciate even the worst in that a group of people made the effort out of a good place. I was born 69, so sort of fit in the wheelhouse of people who should have discovered and loved it as a young person, but due to nutbag parents I never got to see it, and never got around to it until now. But gee, as a 51 year old, the entire movie is a bunch of annoying kids with bad acting, bad direction, stupid tomfoolery, and incessant, irritating YELLING! Yelling! ALL the time. I mean I don't think if I saw this in my youth I'd have liked it. I mean if the kids in Stand By Me or Lost Boys or IT acted like this, I'd have hated those too. Got to be the direction and intent though. But oh gee, just not for me. And I don't get everything I heard about this movie the last 35 years. I can't correlate what I heard to what I watched...

Was awesome seeing Josh Brolin though. Didn't realize he was in it. And after seeing LOTR recently was cool seeing Aston also! Liked how they managed to sneak a reference to Gremlins in it, setting it in the same universe I guess.

My thoughts exactly. I'm 10 years older than you and saw this in the theater in 1985 with my fiancé. I can remember liking it back then so I picked it when it hit DVD. I tried watching it and just couldn't get past the yelling. Even before anything was really happening Chunk was just yelling everything. After about 30 minutes dumped it and never looked back.

[notops]

Originally Posted by Mobe1969

I know I'm late to the game, and I hate speaking ill of movies, and appreciate even the worst in that a group of people made the effort out of a good place. I was born 69, so sort of fit in the wheelhouse of people who should have discovered and loved it as a young person, but due to nutbag parents I never got to see it, and never got around to it until now. But gee, as a 51 year old, the entire movie is a bunch of annoying kids with bad acting, bad direction, stupid tomfoolery, and incessant, irritating YELLING! Yelling! ALL the time. I mean I don't think if I saw this in my youth I'd have liked it. I mean if the kids in Stand By Me or Lost Boys or IT acted like this, I'd have hated those too. Got to be the direction and intent though. But oh gee, just not for me. And I don't get everything I heard about this movie the last 35 years. I can't correlate what I heard to what I watched...

Was awesome seeing Josh Brolin though. Didn't realize he was in it. And after seeing LOTR recently was cool seeing Aston also! Liked how they managed to sneak a reference to Gremlins in it, setting it in the same universe I guess.

I was about 8 years old when I saw this right as it first hit video. I loved it. All of my friends who had seen it loved it. The older kids in our friend circle loved it. I have no idea what you were like as a kid, but we found it very relatable. We were excitable. We used bad language. We would sometimes yell. We were kids.

[Mobe1969]

Originally Posted by JimRochester

My thoughts exactly. I'm 10 years older than you and saw this in the theater in 1985 with my fiancé. I can remember liking it back then so I picked it when it hit DVD. I tried watching it and just couldn't get past the yelling. Even before anything was really happening Chunk was just yelling everything. After about 30 minutes dumped it and never looked back.

Ah so you saw it as a youth and liked it, but then older didn't. I wonder if at 15 I'd seen it I would have then.

Yeah the incessant yelling ws so grating. I can't imaging watching other classic youth shows of that era (Stand By My, Lost Boys, Silver bullet, IT) if they were like that. But I can watch those now and I do enjoy them as much as I did then.

Still I don't fault anyone who loves it. I was just surprised of having listened to peers and random people extlloing it all these years and when I finally see it, I felt this way. It was just I guess a bit of a surprise.

[Put_The_Candle_Back]

I saw Goonies when it was released. I was in my late teens at the time and loved it. I bought DVD and when it was announced for 4K, bought that too. To me, it's one of those big iconic movies like The Breakfast club that you just have to see. I think it could be a generational thing. The 80's were a big special time and to me it was The "IT" decade. I missed it so much. I guess it's probably more of 'you just had to be there' (and maybe the right age) to truly experience and appreciate it. Who could forget the music video by Cyndi Lauper which ended on a cliff hanger and had to wait for Part 2 too see what happens?

[Canada]

I heard there was some DNR applied to the 4K of this.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Canada

I heard there was some DNR applied to the 4K of this.

That's correct: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...5&postcount=41

[roberto46]

I bought the Italian version, beautiful steelbook all in relief, expensive but beautiful!

https://steelbook.com/releases/the-goonies-2/

[yanksno1]

If i can't wait for the next $10 sale, I'm half inclined to pick up that Italian steelbook. But I feel a bit silly buying steelbooks, as I'm the only one who knows what they are haha.