Inglourious Basterds 4K UHD (2009)

[nissling]

Originally Posted by cuzzin

Y'all done messed up now.

Anyone who's worked professionally with film, photography, printing etc knows that without calibration you cannot make a proper judgement on what you see.

So what good is a technical review from someone who intentionally doesn't get his gear calibrated?

[nick4Knight]

And that gear is a FALD LCD that doesn't get near 1000 nits peak. And obviously not being a premium FALD set? It's blooming is probably not optimal as a critical review set.

Rtings doesn't rate it too highly. Not to diss anyone here who has that 2020 Sony. But the man himself says he is making reviews for the pleb crowd anyway. So I guess it's on brand. He's not calling himself a professional disc reviewer.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by nissling

Anyone who's worked professionally with film, photography, printing etc knows that without calibration you cannot make a proper judgement on what you see.

So what good is a technical review from someone who intentionally doesn't get his gear calibrated?

But it's not a "technical" review, didn't you know? Except when he starts talking about film formats, upscales, bitrates, stuff like that, without having a literal clue of what it all means. And the ironical thing about saying "but who in the real world actually has a calibrated TV?" is that no-one's using the same settings anyway. People just set up their TVs how they want them, so that his TV represents what 99.9% of people will see is quite some feat. But where he does represent the 99.9% is the usual: doesn't do grain, doesn't do soft, doesn't do dim and dark etc. It must pop pop POP! (ugh)

[Mierzwiak]

Originally Posted by cuzzin

I love when people with the knowledge are mocked by those who don't have it. How adorable.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It must pop pop POP!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWZK...ature=youtu.be

[marcocolo]

I just got an email for my Amazon preorder that delivery is pushed back to Oct. 27......

[BerryTheMusicMan]

Got my steelbook order in a few days back after I got my $5 reward from BB , now praying it shows up undented / slashed ... ect ect .

[Scottishguy]

[Show spoiler]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But it's not a "technical" review, didn't you know? Except when he starts talking about film formats, upscales, bitrates, stuff like that, without having a literal clue of what it all means. And the ironical thing about saying "but who in the real world actually has a calibrated TV?" is that no-one's using the same settings anyway. People just set up their TVs how they want them, so that his TV represents what 99.9% of people will see is quite some feat. But where he does represent the 99.9% is the usual: doesn't do grain, doesn't do soft, doesn't do dim and dark etc. It must pop pop POP! (ugh)

It's all just BS to keep an idiot and his fraud ticking over. Plain and simple.

[Wes_k089]

Best buy coming in clutch. Just got mine

Gunna pop it in later today

[nissling]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But it's not a "technical" review, didn't you know? Except when he starts talking about film formats, upscales, bitrates, stuff like that, without having a literal clue of what it all means. And the ironical thing about saying "but who in the real world actually has a calibrated TV?" is that no-one's using the same settings anyway. People just set up their TVs how they want them, so that his TV represents what 99.9% of people will see is quite some feat. But where he does represent the 99.9% is the usual: doesn't do grain, doesn't do soft, doesn't do dim and dark etc. It must pop pop POP! (ugh)

Since I had not seen any of FAH's videos, I looked through a handful of them today. He seems to be a nice guy personally but his reviews are very... Bland. Bitrates are seen as indicators of quality and there seems to be no consideration taken into account what the source elements are like. Since he seems to be watching all of his films in system that's not, how to say it, controlled (due to the lack of calibration and adjustments in his home theater) makes all of the subjective opinions questionable. Still nice that people like movies and physical media. It reminds me of DVDBeaver.

As for Inglourious Basterds he constantly keep on saying that the UHD is darker than the regular Blu and the HDR doesn't give much of an impact. But as I've seen it, Inglourious Basterds on Blu-Ray was a bit tricky when it came to the grade. It seems obvious that it was graded on an old Sony BVM CRT (probably the D32 or A32) and that was the primary consideration for home video. With the BVM having a very special EOTF curve where values up to 20-30IRE are commonly at 2.8 power law with highlights closer to 2.5, it all matches up when displayed on such a monitor. However, with most consumer sets aiming for 2.2 or 2.4 power law, shadow detail will appear much brighter and darker scenes are often very washed out. I also saw this film theatrically on 35mm aprox 2 years ago in a Tarantino retrospective and shadow details were certainly darker than the Blu-Ray while still not clipped.

Those old Sony monitors never offered a stable tone curve but their color accuracy were essentially out of this world and is still magnificent for SDR (just not very practical). Now with HDR, it wouldn't surprise me if they've compensated for this and while it would give many scenes an overall darker look, I personally don't think the Blu-Ray ever looked completely right on consumer sets. If the UHD shows this kind of improvement I'll probably pick it up at some point. Still tho the old disc was excellent and one I've kept ever since it originally got released back in 2009.

[nick4Knight]

Dude, consider giving it a rest on this guy. We get it.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by nick4Knight

Dude, consider giving it a rest on this guy. We get it.

Well if everyone else would give it a rest. I'd not feel inclined to.

Edit: Post deleted

[thestrangestick]

Regardless of how good or not his reviews are or credibility is, the irony is most people here clearly have no idea how YouTube works, or are mad that it could be a job.

Basically, it’s one thing to not like some of these YouTube reviewers, but the obsessive way some people here talk about them clearly smacks of jealousy and insecurity. And ironically enough, complaining about them online just helps boost their exposure lol.

[Scottishguy]

[Show spoiler]

Originally Posted by nissling

Since I had not seen any of FAH's videos, I looked through a handful of them today. He seems to be a nice guy personally but his reviews are very... Bland. Bitrates are seen as indicators of quality and there seems to be no consideration taken into account what the source elements are like. Since he seems to be watching all of his films in system that's not, how to say it, controlled (due to the lack of calibration and adjustments in his home theater) makes all of the subjective opinions questionable. Still nice that people like movies and physical media. It reminds me of DVDBeaver.

As for Inglourious Basterds he constantly keep on saying that the UHD is darker than the regular Blu and the HDR doesn't give much of an impact. But as I've seen it, Inglourious Basterds on Blu-Ray was a bit tricky when it came to the grade. It seems obvious that it was graded on an old Sony BVM CRT (probably the D32 or A32) and that was the primary consideration for home video. With the BVM having a very special EOTF curve where values up to 20-30IRE are commonly at 2.8 power law with highlights closer to 2.5, it all matches up when displayed on such a monitor. However, with most consumer sets aiming for 2.2 or 2.4 power law, shadow detail will appear much brighter and darker scenes are often very washed out. I also saw this film theatrically on 35mm aprox 2 years ago in a Tarantino retrospective and shadow details were certainly darker than the Blu-Ray while still not clipped.

Those old Sony monitors never offered a stable tone curve but their color accuracy were essentially out of this world and is still magnificent for SDR (just not very practical). Now with HDR, it wouldn't surprise me if they've compensated for this and while it would give many scenes an overall darker look, I personally don't think the Blu-Ray ever looked completely right on consumer sets. If the UHD shows this kind of improvement I'll probably pick it up at some point. Still tho the old disc was excellent and one I've kept ever since it originally got released back in 2009.

Do you agree OLEDs in SDR would benefit then from having curves of 2.3?

Originally Posted by thestrangestick

Regardless of how good or not his reviews are or credibility is, the irony is most people here clearly have no idea how YouTube works, or are mad that it could be a job.

Basically, it’s one thing to not like some of these YouTube reviewers, but the obsessive way some people here talk about them clearly smacks of jealousy and insecurity. And ironically enough, complaining about them online just helps boost their exposure lol.

Look people are trying their damddest to get Scotsguy to shut his autistic a*se up about him now, and Scotsguy is trying his damddest to do that for them.

So do you mind not poking the bear please, pal? And, given I've just openly declared I have an autistic brain. None of that really applies to me. Try harder. Cheers.

[nissling]

Why 2.3? I've never seen it being used at all.

For many years it was standard to do SDR grades at 2.6 power law, which mostly came from the CRT era which lasted far longer than most people thinkg. But since BT.1886 got introduced and grade1 OLED monitors replaced the old BVMs, power law 2.4 became much more common.

I've spent sooo much time in from of the Sony BVM-A24 that I've pretty much memorized its entire gamma response. It's easily one of my all-time favorite monitors.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by nissling

Why 2.3? I've never seen it being used at all.

For many years it was standard to do SDR grades at 2.6 power law, which mostly came from the CRT era which lasted far longer than most people thinkg. But since BT.1886 got introduced and grade1 OLED monitors replaced the old BVMs, power law 2.4 became much more common.

I've spent sooo much time in from of the Sony BVM-A24 that I've pretty much memorized its entire gamma response. It's easily one of my all-time favorite monitors.

Just with how consumer OLEDs do blacks BT.1886 can be to harsh.

[lquevideo]

im waiting for the disc to come in from the mail.
ugh, what a shitshow.
at the end of the day, happy it out, but it seems like a rare universal miss.
ill def come by with some impressions. i also bought the simon pegg 4k box and still haven't sat through that, even tho they say hot fuzz is another universal miss.

[nissling]

That is primarily an issue on LG and Philips models. Panasonic and Sony have for the past few years done a much better job with shadow detail on their OLEDs compared to LG. Partly thanks to better dithering but also because of slightly lifted blacks, which makes levels just above black a lot more manageable.

Using incorrect gamma curves is certainly not a proper way to fix this kind of issue if you ask me.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by nissling

That is primarily an issue on LG and Philips models. Panasonic and Sony have for the past few years done a much better job with shadow detail on their OLEDs compared to LG. Partly thanks to better dithering but also because of slightly lifted blacks, which makes levels just above black a lot more manageable.

Using incorrect gamma curves is certainly not a proper way to fix this kind of issue if you ask me.

Yeah I was going to say this is another mark down for LG processing. As Sony consumer OLEDs are an all rounder in SDR and HDR spaces.

I'm talking myself into getting a Sony OLED lol.

[alatarg]

Originally Posted by marcocolo

I just got an email for my Amazon preorder that delivery is pushed back to Oct. 27......

I just got the same email but it was pushed back to the 29th. I canceled the order and ordered from Best Buy, now I will be receiving it on release date. Amazon just keeps getting worse and worse with their delivery dates.

[thestrangestick]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

Do you agree OLEDs in SDR would benefit then from having curves of 2.3?



Look people are trying their damddest to get Scotsguy to shut his autistic a*se up about him now, and Scotsguy is trying his damddest to do that for them.

So do you mind not poking the bear please, pal? And, given I've just openly declared I have an autistic brain. None of that really applies to me. Try harder. Cheers.

I don’t know what you having autism has to do with whether or not you might be jealous of a person making money to make Blu-ray reviews. I mean, by definition, the fact we’ve joined a Blu-ray forum to share our opinions on Blu-rays means the people here obviously think that we have opinions on Blu-rays worth sharing. The difference is, this guy gets paid for his. And while I don’t condone him apparently celebrating or justifying technical ignorance, there is always a market for all types of reviews, from highly technical to pundit type jobbies. And people with a high opinion of themselves (such as say, a person that talks about themselves in the third person, as a random example) often find their ego challenged when a person they perceive as being less skilled with a subject as them is getting more recognition for it.

Just stating a simple observation, not poking any bears. I’m not sure if being the kind of person that might go on ego fuelled rants on a vaguely obscure forum warrants the bear metaphor either