Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I still plan to create a Vudu account and try out a few 4K rentals.

What device do you plan to use for VUDU rentals?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

What device do you plan to use for VUDU rentals?

My LG 4K TV is my device for streaming content. My other home theater devices are either old, PS3 and Oppo 93, or they do not support streaming apps at all, such as my Oppo 203.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Things are constantly shifting in the entertainment world. I bet discussions have already began about 1080p HDR. It makes perfect sense when 4K is going to eat into data allowances. You only need around 10Mbps for 1080p HDR. It isn’t much more than a standard full HD stream.

I said that 4K is the absolute limit, I didn’t say it wouldn’t go below that.

Also, I am impressed with their 4K feed, but that is irrelevant to what I said.

Yes things shift, but not as much as you have in one month.

First you were informing us of Netflix having a premium tier for 4K + HDR as a way to get more $$$

then you said SD is the future.

and now 1080 HDR is the future?

Companies are looking ahead to 8K and you think they're gonna focus on standardizing 1080 HDR?

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Things are constantly shifting in the entertainment world. I bet discussions have already began about 1080p HDR. It makes perfect sense when 4K is going to eat into data allowances. You only need around 10Mbps for 1080p HDR. It isn’t much more than a standard full HD stream.

I said that 4K is the absolute limit, I didn’t say it wouldn’t go below that.

Also, I am impressed with their 4K feed, but that is irrelevant to what I said.

People always want more, 4K is here to stay and there is more to offer in Streaming Content. Verizon is teaming up with Apple TV 4K for their 5G Network, so it looks like 4K is going no where. Like I said, Streaming is The Future and people are going to have a rude awakening! I have been coverting a lot of my Movies in Vudu to 4K, and I love to watch them!

Just got back from the Dallas, Texas area and people there are cutting the cord and going with Streaming TV. My Brother-in-Law uses a Roku to access all his TV and Movie Content. No one is buying Discs, everything is Streaming now. So if you don't have the Bandwidth or are capped you better look at your Internet Options.

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Vilya

My LG 4K TV is my device for streaming content. My other home theater devices are either old, PS3 and Oppo 93, or they do not support streaming apps at all, such as my Oppo 203.

I watch mine through my Samsung KS8000 and have always been impressed. Of course I lived in tech central. So it will be interesting to see how the new area is. I will say I was pulling in some good numbers. But haven’t had the chance to test it out further.

Back on point. I’ve never understood this one or the other mentality As much as I hate agreeing with Wendell, he is correct. As long as there is a market there will always be a product. So why limit yourself with one or the other

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by alchav21

No one is buying Discs, everything is Streaming now.

No one, as in your family or generalization?

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

My LG 4K TV is my device for streaming content.

Its been awhile since I viewed any YouTube items, below is a link to one that you may find interesting, shot with a MSR $5000.00 Sony AX1 4K. IIRC, there are several YouTube videos shot with this camera or similar Sony Handycam cameras. Pretty amazing when compared to the Sony F65.

EDIT: Wrong link to Sony, will leave the other one as its quite good.

Sony: "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BRhb1wkhPY&t=0s&list=PL181z0v3_9PfGG3ltB6 dQRvrNtUcXjjh6&index=2"

"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz6RxJtS8Kc&index=2&list=PL181z0v3_9PfGG3l tB6dQRvrNtUcXjjh6"

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

No one is buying Discs, everything is Streaming now. So if you don't have the Bandwidth or are capped you better look at your Internet Options.

This is your trademark hyperbole that you just can not resist spewing every time you return to this thread. It is just as incorrect now as it has always been. I will not berate you for it, but I will not let it go unchallenged.

I buy discs and I am not a "no one." If I am the only person in the whole of creation for whom discs are being made, then I am one hell of a someone! There were 79 new releases on blu-ray and 4K disc just this week and 251 new titles over the past four weeks; that's a lot of new titles for no one to be buying any of them.

Drop the hyperbole and maybe for once you will be taken seriously.

[flyry]

I'm always baffled at Wendell always touting his experience, but then he can never embed a youtube video. The irony is too much.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by flyry

I'm always baffled at Wendell always touting his experience, but then he can never embed a youtube video. The irony is too much.

Touting to you, could be informative to others. The YouTube links were deliberately not embedded, Vilya and other readers may not give a hoot about those videos so why have them start playing! Does not require that many Wheaties to copy and paste.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

No one is buying Discs, everything is Streaming now. So if you don't have the Bandwidth or are capped you better look at your Internet Options.

Originally Posted by The_Donster

No one, as in your family or generalization?

Originally Posted by Vilya

This is your trademark hyperbole that you just can not resist spewing every time you return to this thread. It is just as incorrect now as it has always been. I will not berate you for it, but I will not let it go unchallenged.

I buy discs and I am not a "no one." If I am the only person in the whole of creation for whom discs are being made, then I am one hell of a someone! There were 79 new releases on blu-ray and 4K disc just this week and 251 new titles over the past four weeks; that's a lot of new titles for no one to be buying any of them.

Drop the hyperbole and maybe for once you will be taken seriously.

Sorry guys, but this is my observations as I travel through the different States. You guys could hang on to your Discs, but things are changing you can access anything through Streaming. Apple TV, Roku, and Smart TV's are taking over. Cable TV, Sattellite, and Discs are a thing of the past. The Disc Sales Thread shows they are slowly fading out!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Sorry guys, but this is my observations as I travel through the different States. You guys could hang on to your Discs, but things are changing you can access anything through Streaming. Apple TV, Roku, and Smart TV's are taking over. Cable TV, Sattellite, and Discs are a thing of the past. The Disc Sales Thread shows they are slowly fading out!

You most certainly can not access "anything through streaming." This is simply more of your predictable hyperbole. I likely have hundreds of titles on disc that can not be found through streaming sources in my collection alone.

Discs sales are in a decline, 13.2% so far this year up through May 12th. That is what the Home Video Sales thread shows. There is no evidence to support that they are "fading out." They are readily available both online and in store. More, 60-80 titles worth on average, are released every single week. There is a new disc format, 4K, that is experiencing triple digit sales growth. This is the most common of all of the fallacious exaggerations you relentlessly repeat.

At the end of 2017, discs still outsold digital purchases by slightly more than 2:1. Content purchases, disc or digital, are a different matter entirely than that of subscription streaming. Those who want to "own" their movies buy discs, digital, or a mixture of both. Ownership is a different mind set than those that just want a transitory, buffet style rental service.

The robust and sustained growth is with subscription streaming, not digital purchases. Many people are reducing, and some are eliminating, cable TV service in favor of these very affordable streaming services.

There are approximately 325.7 million people in the United States as of 2017. How many of them do you know and how many of them have told you their movie shopping preferences? Damn few have spoken to you and nowhere near enough to be statistically relevant. We have actual sales data to measure the home entertainment market and we do not need to rely on your extremely limited anecdotal and highly biased observations.

I came across predictions on this website that discs were dying back in 2015. They were wrong in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, and counting. People like you are perennially wrong year after year. Facts matter; your travel stories do not. I will stick with the sales data, the actual facts, and you can keep spouting the same unfounded dire warnings based entirely on what you wish to happen and that have no foundation in reality.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Touting to you, could be informative to others. The YouTube links were deliberately not embedded, Vilya and other readers may not give a hoot about those videos so why have them start playing! Does not require that many Wheaties to copy and paste.

They don't start auto playing.....

[Groot]

Y'all need to stop taking certain phrases so literal and really think about how most of you are talking to each other over this stuff.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

People always want more, 4K is here to stay and there is more to offer in Streaming Content. Verizon is teaming up with Apple TV 4K for their 5G Network, so it looks like 4K is going no where. Like I said, Streaming is The Future and people are going to have a rude awakening! I have been coverting a lot of my Movies in Vudu to 4K, and I love to watch them!

Just got back from the Dallas, Texas area and people there are cutting the cord and going with Streaming TV. My Brother-in-Law uses a Roku to access all his TV and Movie Content. No one is buying Discs, everything is Streaming now. So if you don't have the Bandwidth or are capped you better look at your Internet Options.

Lol.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Sorry guys, but this is my observations as I travel through the different States. You guys could hang on to your Discs, but things are changing you can access anything through Streaming. Apple TV, Roku, and Smart TV's are taking over. Cable TV, Sattellite, and Discs are a thing of the past. The Disc Sales Thread shows they are slowly fading out!

[twobelowpar]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Sorry guys, but this is my observations as I travel through the different States. You guys could hang on to your Discs, but things are changing you can access anything through Streaming. Apple TV, Roku, and Smart TV's are taking over. Cable TV, Sattellite, and Discs are a thing of the past. The Disc Sales Thread shows they are slowly fading out!

That isn't true at all. There are still DVD's being sold FFS!

[Ender14]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Sorry guys, but this is my observations as I travel through the different States. You guys could hang on to your Discs, but things are changing you can access anything through Streaming. Apple TV, Roku, and Smart TV's are taking over. Cable TV, Sattellite, and Discs are a thing of the past. The Disc Sales Thread shows they are slowly fading out!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by twobelowpar

That isn't true at all. There are still DVD's being sold FFS!

More DVD than Digital, Blu-ray and UHD put together is the very sad truth. That’s why I dont think quality is a concern for digital. It’s not progressive quality wise, it’s that buzzword of the 21st century, ‘convenience’ (laziness).

In fact, I think 1080p HDR is probably even overkill for the average joe, even five years from now.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

More DVD than Digital, Blu-ray and UHD put together is the very sad truth. That’s why I dont think quality is a concern for digital.

For July the average top speed for Netflix was 4.37 Mbps, so yes, most just don't seem to care about quality. Many of those providers listed can provide much higher speeds than those listed in the table so it appears many subs have the SD plan, Playback Settings set to Low and/or the ISP just can not handle the traffic during prime time.