Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Groot

When you can give me a solid argument as to why they'd cut off a billion dollar industry I'll listen, otherwise you're a flat-earth level theorist.

The absolute fortune it would save for streaming services that are overspending. Ten minute or less, premium content would obviously be far cheaper. It is enough incentive to push us away from our tv to our cellphones.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The absolute fortune it would save for streaming services that are overspending. Ten minute or less, premium content would obviously be far cheaper. It is enough incentive to push us away from our tv to our cellphones.

Billy Madison - Insanely Idiotic (Academic Decathlon) - YouTube

This isn't happening, not today - tomorrow - ten years from now - ever. I generally do feel dumber continuing with this non-existent issue debate, reading a rambling mess of hot takes that aren't based in reality. Enjoy the cellphone tin-foil conspiracy theories. I mean, there's zero logic in producing the same amount of content in short form (given you can't produce less as it'd be binged faster) so this is just...dumb.

Peace.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Groot

Billy Madison - Insanely Idiotic (Academic Decathlon) - YouTube

This isn't happening, not today - tomorrow - ten years from now - ever. I generally do feel dumber continuing with this non-existent issue debate, reading a rambling mess of hot takes that aren't based in reality. Enjoy the cellphone tin-foil conspiracy theories. I mean, there's zero logic in producing the same amount of content in short form (given you can't produce less as it'd be binged faster) so this is just...dumb.

Peace.

Same amount? Tv series would be way shorter but then, I guess people would complete series in a couple of hours rather than days.

Are you honestly saying this incredibly well funded new short form premium service wouldn’t cause ripples if it was a big success?

On top of that, you have AT&T and the potential (imo) mutilation of HBO to better fit their mobile ideals. That’s two huge companies right there.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Not exactly, AT&T is a unique example where a wireless company is getting its hooks into content such as Time Warner (that is if the appeal gets rejected)

Cell phone companies normally can't control content. But to offer like daytime soap opera digital streams (show is like 20 mins to 10 mins of commercials) is getting quite far from the typical content HBO produces. They wanted to maximize profitability at the decrement of digital film quality.

More wireless companies may follow suit and that will be all she wrote.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I am not sure about how the dinosaurs were doing just before the asteroid strike, but I am pretty sure no one was around to predict it ahead of time.

They still make and sell cassettes, including recent releases, so not exactly accurate there. I'm not saying they are a big seller, but they are not "wiped out," either.

With so many clairvoyants posting on these very forums with their predictions of the utter end of all matter of things, how can any fate escape their all seeing oracle eyes?

Well you're not exactly accurate with the Dinosaurs, Birds are still around and they are direct descendants of the Dinosaur. Yes, I know Cassettes are not completely wiped out either they made a big come back with GOTG. You Apple guys have something else to worry about. Apple wants to take on Netflix, and enter your UHD TV:

https://venturebeat.com/2018/08/18/c...flix-netflix/?

The only thing wrong is that Content Providers have to rely on the Infrastructure, so enter AT&T and Verizon! Look around and don't get left behind!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well you're not exactly accurate with the Dinosaurs, Birds are still around and they are direct descendants of the Dinosaur.

The scientific community unequivocally states that dinosaurs are extinct. Surely, I do not need to provide you with citations to prove this commonly known fact?

A descendant from something is not the same thing as its source. Birds are not dinosaurs despite their relationship to them.

Neanderthals went extinct 40,000 years ago. While modern humans are related to Neanderthals, they are each their own distinct species. The former thrives and the latter is extinct. We even still share a little bit of DNA with Neanderthals. Despite these relationships, modern humans are not Neanderthals.

"Neanderthals (Homo neanderthalensis or Homo sapiens neanderthalensis) are an extinct species or subspecies of archaic humans in the genus Homo, who lived in Eurasia until 40,000 years ago."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal

"In May 2010, the project released a draft of their report on the sequenced Neanderthal genome. Contradicting the results discovered while examining mitochondrial DNA, they demonstrated a range of genetic contribution to non-African modern humans ranging from 1% to 4%."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neande...genome_project

This concludes this morning's science class; time to enjoy recess!

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

5G is irrelevant to resolutions. It’s just another connection. I would think a 5G mobile future would be SD anyway or maybe 720p (low bitrate)

So you really think a network that is spouted as 20 times faster than home internet connections and "feature-length HD movies can be downloaded faster than you can read this sentence" will really yield SD resolution?

Please stop you sound more foolish with each post

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You do realise the title of the thread includes ‘and the future’. It’s a bit hard to talk about opinions in those matters without talking about the future!

Speculating about the future is fine, even fun. It helps a great deal if it is based on some solid rationale, though. Assuming that a potentially new form of entertainment is a certain death knell for existing forms is at a minimum premature and at most quite irrational. There is no evidence to support the conclusion made- not a thread.

Some of us would prefer more nuanced prophesying than the oft repeated "it's doomed!" that is rampant in this thread and others. Recall how many times that people have said that "this, that, and the other" were dying only to be found continually wrong, year after year after year.

If I continue to make predictions when all, or even most, of my previous ones have been wrong, I should expect to be met with not only skepticism, but I risk outright ridicule.

The future is fascinating to contemplate, but if we were really any good at predicting it, shouldn't we be more financially successful than we are? I recommend keeping your day job.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

So you really think a network that is spouted as 20 times faster than home internet connections and "feature-length HD movies can be downloaded faster than you can read this sentence" will really yield SD resolution?

Please stop you sound more foolish with each post

What would be the point of anything above 720p in This instance? It’s data caps that will dictate these things, not increasing speeds. Heck, a lot of unlimited cellphone plans are SD only now! Why would anyone crave 4K for cellphones with chunk sized content, it’s not even a concern of younger people now.
Vertical video, short form on a mobile, no need for full HD let alone anything else.

You need to start observing what is happening around you in the tech world. You mentioned you didn’t even know 1080p HDR was a thing until last week?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Speculating about the future is fine, even fun. It helps a great deal if it is based on some solid rationale, though. Assuming that a potentially new form of entertainment is a certain death knell for existing forms is at a minimum premature and at most quite irrational. There is no evidence to support the conclusion made- not a thread.

Some of us would prefer more nuanced prophesying than the oft repeated "it's doomed!" that is rampant in this thread and others. Recall how many times that people have said that "this, that, and the other" were dying only to be found continually wrong, year after year after year.

If I continue to make predictions when all, or even most, of my previous ones have been wrong, I should expect to be met with not only skepticism, but I risk outright ridicule.

The future is fascinating to contemplate, but if we were really any good at predicting it, shouldn't we be more financially successful than we are? I recommend keeping your day job.

Who are you or anyone to say these things won’t come true though? It might sound irrational now but I bet you didn’t think music would be available for free and have millions of song choices a few years back? Or £10 for all the music you can possibly consume on a phone?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Speculating about the future is fine, even fun. It helps a great deal if it is based on some solid rationale, though. Assuming that a potentially new form of entertainment is a certain death knell for existing forms is at a minimum premature and at most quite irrational. There is no evidence to support the conclusion made- not a thread.

Some of us would prefer more nuanced prophesying than the oft repeated "it's doomed!" that is rampant in this thread and others. Recall how many times that people have said that "this, that, and the other" were dying only to be found continually wrong, year after year after year.

If I continue to make predictions when all, or even most, of my previous ones have been wrong, I should expect to be met with not only skepticism, but I risk outright ridicule.

The future is fascinating to contemplate, but if we were really any good at predicting it, shouldn't we be more financially successful than we are? I recommend keeping your day job.

How can I be wrong when it hasn’t happened yet?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

What would be the point of anything above 720p in This instance? It’s data caps that will dictate these things, not increasing speeds. Heck, a lot of unlimited cellphone plans are SD only now!

My cellphone plan certainly has a data cap, so does my ISP, but neither of them cares how I use that data. Why would they? I can watch videos in whatever resolution I choose.

While I can not categorically deny their existence, I have never heard of any cellphone plan that limits you to a specific video resolution; they charge for the amount of data used, not how it is used.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Vilya

My cellphone plan certainly has a data cap, so does my ISP, but neither of them cares how I use that data. Why would they? I can watch videos in whatever resolution I choose.

While I can not categorically deny their existence, I have never heard of any cellphone plan that limits you to a specific video resolution; they charge for the amount of data used, not how it is used.

Wait for the Internet of Things to break your carrier's capacity for doing wireless. Then the wireless provider will throttle content.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

How can I be wrong when it hasn’t happened yet?

With that rationale, all vague predictions are valid as they simply have not happened yet. Perhaps that is why the collective fortune tellers here never give specific time frames with their forebodings? If they had any real insight, or if they even had confidence in their own predictions, they would include an exact, or at least approximate, date for when these dark and dire events will occur.

If I predict rainfall in the Atacama desert in Chile for long enough, I will eventually be right, but that hardly means I have the gift of prophecy. This desert can go years without any rain, averaging just .004 inches of precipitation per year.

Some places within this desert have not had any rain for 400 years, according to scientists, but if we keep predicting it we will surely be right someday. Just don't expect any "oohs!" or "ahs!" or applause when these predictions are finally vindicated.

http://www.extremescience.com/driest.htm

People carrying "The End Is Nigh" signs can still be found, too. When exactly is the "nigh?" By your reasoning, they are not "wrong", either. Somehow, though, I doubt you are preparing for the apocalypse they foretell.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Wait for the Internet of Things to break your carrier's capacity for doing wireless. Then the wireless provider will throttle content.

Even if those things come to pass, I will be paying for a specified amount of data usage per month as I am now. How I use the data I purchase will be my choice. I can watch youtube cat videos in whatever resolution I please up to my plan's data limits or up to what I am willing to pay. I have never met a service provider yet that wasn't happy to let me go over my data limits for a "slight" fee.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

With that rationale, all vague predictions are valid as they simply have not happened yet. Perhaps that is why the collective fortune tellers here never give specific time frames with their forebodings? If they had any real insight, or if they even had confidence in their own predictions, they would include an exact, or at least approximate, date for when these dark and dire events will occur.

If I predict rainfall in the Atacama desert in Chile for long enough, I will eventually be right, but that hardly means I have the gift of prophecy. This desert can go years without any rain, averaging just .004 inches of precipitation per year.

People carrying "The End Is Nigh" signs can still be found, too. When exactly is the "nigh?" By your reasoning, they are not "wrong", either. Somehow, though, I doubt you are preparing for the apocalypse they foretell.

The time it takes for generation Z to come of age. 10-15 years max.

All the signs are there that we are moving to a short form, mobile playing field in the future.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

What would be the point of anything above 720p in This instance? It’s data caps that will dictate these things, not increasing speeds. Heck, a lot of unlimited cellphone plans are SD only now! Why would anyone crave 4K for cellphones with chunk sized content, it’s not even a concern of younger people now.
Vertical video, short form on a mobile, no need for full HD let alone anything else.

You need to start observing what is happening around you in the tech world. You mentioned you didn’t even know 1080p HDR was a thing until last week?

I never mentioned 4K in any of my posts.

But you seem to think technology is somehow going to go backwards.

Which never happens.

Personally, If I do happen to watch something on my phone (usually a trailer on youtube) it has to be HD.

My eyes cannot watch SD content after years of HD and now UHD.

I understand some people have data caps and all that but if 5G is going to be as fast as they say it sure as hell will default to HD.

And I said 1080 HDR is not a term you never see mentioned or advertised. HDR is always mentioned in conjunction with 4K.

Yes technically speaking it can work on 1080 but no one is going to push it.

You're not going to see your local best buy pushing 1080 HDR sets or Netflix promoting it. Because again that is backwards.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The time it takes for generation Z to come of age. 10-15 years max.

All the signs are there that we are moving to a short form, mobile playing field in the future.

The only indication is that there will be a potentially new type of short form content. A variation of something that has existed for decades along side all other forms of content.

Your conclusion that it bodes ill for existing forms of content and that it spells trouble for large screen TVs is without any evidence and is therefore without merit.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Who are you or anyone to say these things won’t come true though? It might sound irrational now but I bet you didn’t think music would be available for free and have millions of song choices a few years back? Or £10 for all the music you can possibly consume on a phone?

I do not make any predictions with any belief that mine are automatically more authoritative than anyone else's, but I am as entitled to make them as you are.

If either one of us could predict the future of any aspect of the marketplace with any exceptional competence, we would have availed ourselves of many IPOs (initial public offerings) over the years. We would have known when to buy stock in Apple or Intel or Google, for example. It is all but certain that neither one of us would stake our livelihood on our ability to predict the future of any marketplace.

Go and find the next new IPO that will be tomorrow's Apple and I will give your predictions serious consideration. Until then, I must avert my gaze in the manner of rolling my eyes at most of your cataclysmic predictions. I mean no offense to you, but I just see zero evidence to support the dreary conclusions you draw.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Vilya

The only indication is that there will be a potentially new type of short form content. A variation of something that has existed for decades along side all other forms of content.

Your conclusion that it bodes ill for existing forms of content and that it spells trouble for large screen TVs is without any evidence and is therefore without merit.

Nah man, folks like HBO gonna cut off their show revenue, accessories revenue, toy merch, clothing, household goods and other items so they can make short form content. Who needs to sell millions of Funko pops when they can just make short videos that'll please the masses. In 10 years we'll solve the housing crisis by building properties out of recycled flat screen parts as everyone is gonna toss them outside and scream hellllls yeahhhhh when they pick up their 5 inch iPhone/Samsung/Whatever and watch their 10 minute tv episode before falling asleep on their bean bags (we don't need couches in the living room now either! obsolete! same with beds - why have a bed when a bean bag will do?) with some rehashed fanta drinks sitting on a destroyed LCD turned into nightstand.