Sony "Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray Titles May 14 and July 16

[MovieManiac82]

Originally Posted by Sigma

The question has been asked 800 times already so the frequent visitors of this thread are beginning to get sarcastic when answering (I myself jokingly tried but the questioner didn't find it funny).

Sorry mate, I shouldn't of said that to you. It was first time in this thread and I couldn't be bothered going through the thread to find the answer, so I just asked.

[Tech-UK]

Originally Posted by ricster

Panny calls it x v color and Sony calls it xvvYCC.

x.v.Color is Sony branding, which other manufactures are using to distinguish xvYCC support.

[Tech-UK]

Originally Posted by ricster

You have to have a xvYCC TV and blu ray player to view the full 24 bit colour picture depth and not the usual RGB coding. This leads to more gradients of colour and leads to higher quality reds etc.,.

Luckily, I am able to view this expanded colour. I am watching ghostbusters now and this is the best it has ever looked. I am we'll impressed with this version. The colors and vivid and the contrast is not too high. The streams from the proton packs is spot on. Also grain is visible and has not been dnr'd out. The outdoor scenes in daylight, you can now make out the clouds in the sky. The night shots have a pop about them too.

When rick moranis is running away towards the cafe, he runs passed some shrubs. The green is vivd and the red roses shine.

Sound is standard Dolby true hd 5.1 with a rate of 1.5 Mbps, so I'm guessing its 16 bit?????

None of my other blurays in my collection transmit x.v. Color or xvvYCC 24 bit or deep color, and reading, this isn't in the BDA specifications. I take it these are the first discs to support this then ?

Yes, to the bolded part.

Deep colour and xvYCC are different technologies. I believe these discs are still 8-bit colour but are encoded with xvYCC, this makes use of negative values to represent colours outside the colour gamut currently used on Blu-ray (BT.709). Blu-rays are encoded with YCbCr 4:2:0 8-bit colour space, within this a specific set of bits represents the components of which makes up a picture, x.v.Colour taps into the unused bits to represent those negative values in which is transported along with the YCC signal to ones display, in which a special mechanism (GBD metadata) used within HDMI 1.3 negotiates the extra colour gamut supported between source and display.

Deep Colour is currently a marketing gimmick as the player basically upsamples to these bit depths that we see, although it does slightly benefit an image (reduces perceived banding), 36-bit/48-bit etc (which is 36-bit RGB = 12-bit per colour, 48-bit RGB = 16-bit per colour).

This is an interesting read:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1411555/de...r-test-pattern

[ricster]

Originally Posted by Tech-UK

Yes, to the bolded part.

Deep colour and xvYCC are different technologies. I believe these discs are still 8-bit colour but are encoded with xvYCC, this makes use of negative values to represent colours outside the colour gamut currently used on Blu-ray (BT.709). Blu-rays are encoded with YCbCr 4:2:0 8-bit colour space, within this a specific set of bits represents the components of which makes up a picture, x.v.Colour taps into the unused bits to represent those negative values in which is transported along with the YCC signal to ones display in which a special mechanism (GBD metadata) used within HDMI 1.3 negotiates the extra colour gamut supported between source and display. Deep Colour is currently a marketing gimmick as the player basically upsamples to these bit depths that we see, 36-bit/48-bit etc (which is 36-bit RGB = 12-bit per colour, 48-bit RGB = 16-bit per colour).

Cheers. Yeah it was the x.v. Color flag that was popping up on my VT50. So these are the first blus to use this then, or are there more out there? I certainly noticed a difference with ghostbusters and a deeper red on the maguire Spider-Man opening credits.

[BrandonJF]

Originally Posted by ricster

Cheers. Yeah it was the x.v. Color flag that was popping up on my VT50. So these are the first blus to use this then, or are there more out there? I certainly noticed a difference with ghostbusters and a deeper red on the maguire Spider-Man opening credits.

The problem is I'm not sure everything you perceive to be due to x.v.color is actually due to x.v.color. There can be a color change between transfers without using an expanded color space.

I mentioned it before, but someone at AVS did an analysis of Spider-Man and there weren't many scenes in the movie that utilized colors outside of the normal range. The opening credits weren't one of the scenes. There are comparison pics and whatever color differences there are are unnoticeable to me. The new disc certainly looks significantly better for other reasons, though.

[Tech-UK]

Originally Posted by ricster

Cheers. Yeah it was the x.v. Color flag that was popping up on my VT50. So these are the first blus to use this then, or are there more out there? I certainly noticed a difference with ghostbusters and a deeper red on the maguire Spider-Man opening credits.

Np. That's interesting, at least we know these discs are encoded with xvYCC. Where does the flag appear? when you hit the info button?

As far as I am aware, the only Blu-ray titles to be encoded with x.v.Color are these 'mastered in 4K' titles.

Is your set calibrated to BT.709/ISF calibrated?

[PowellPressburger]

Originally Posted by ricster

Panny calls it x v color and Sony calls it xvvYCC.

thank you so much! This is information is good to know.

My next question would be if you have this type of color activated on the TV, I assume on the non 4K Color type BLUs that it won't affect them at all. (Or at least in a negative way) Otherwise you'd have to activate it each time you want the X V or xvvYCC utilized.

[Tech-UK]

Originally Posted by brandonjf

the problem is i'm not sure everything you perceive to be due to x.v.color is actually due to x.v.color. There can be a color change between transfers without using an expanded color space.

I mentioned it before, but someone at avs did an analysis of spider-man and there weren't many scenes in the movie that utilized colors outside of the normal range. The opening credits weren't one of the scenes. There are comparison pics and whatever color differences there are are unnoticeable to me. The new disc certainly looks significantly better for other reasons, though.

+1.

[Geoff D]

Yep. For all of Sony's M4K marketing guff, the reason that stuff like Ghostbusters and Spider-Man looks so much better (IMO ) is because they're new transfers, end of story.

[MrHT]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yep. For all of Sony's M4K marketing guff, the reason that stuff like Ghostbusters and Spider-Man looks so much better (IMO ) is because they're new transfers, end of story.

Yes..... new transfers MASTERED IN 4K.....

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yep. For all of Sony's M4K marketing guff, the reason that stuff like Ghostbusters and Spider-Man looks so much better (IMO ) is because they're new transfers, end of story.

That's it. I'll double dip on Ghostbusters, Glory, and Spider-man for that very reason, but I am not spending more than $10 each for them since they are devoid of extras.

[klauswhereareyou]

I hope Sony has the guts to actually release a catalog title in this series that hasn't made it out yet...like Krull instead of shipping it off to Twilight Time...at least if Krull gets a 4k master.

[PowellPressburger]

So much arguing, I like that SONY wants to offer these titles, just hate the mudslinging.

Sony should have called them SUPERBLU or SuperBit Blu w/ Expanded Color rather than consfuse so many with 4K. I would like to see specific titles given better treatment. As a whole SONY generally I woudl say 98% of the time release great transfers. If it were Universal on the other hand lol

(I mean when they were first announced even I was under the impression they would be perfect for a 4K TV and would have 4,000 lines of resolution - I was younger then lol)

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

That's it. I'll double dip on Ghostbusters, Glory, and Spider-man for that very reason, but I am not spending more than $10 each for them since they are devoid of extras.

I purchased Glory/Angels & Demons for $14.99 each. Sold the codes for $3each, making them $11.99 upgrades. I never owned Glory so I'll be on the lookout for cheapie deal on the original for the bonus content. For Angels & Demons, since I had the original 2-disc release I just added this disc and put them all in a 3-disc case. Viola: Definitive Edition.
I'll be picking up Ghostbusters and Spiderman shortly.

Edit: Ordered both.

[BrandonJF]

Originally Posted by klauswhereareyou

I hope Sony has the guts to actually release a catalog title in this series that hasn't made it out yet...like Krull instead of shipping it off to Twilight Time...at least if Krull gets a 4k master.

I don't see why a new catalog title would need to be in this series. They do use 4k masters on other titles without having to throw "4k" all over the packaging. The only difference would be that there'd be no supplements... not that I care all that much, but the titles that look better aren't looking so much better primarily because of the increased bit rate. They look better because they received new transfers. Throw the same supplements on these discs with the new transfers and will anyone notice a difference? Doubtful.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by klauswhereareyou

I hope Sony has the guts to actually release a catalog title in this series that hasn't made it out yet...like Krull instead of shipping it off to Twilight Time...at least if Krull gets a 4k master.

If Krull gets this treatment make sure and keep your DVD for the extras because the making-of feature is decent.

[ricster]

Originally Posted by Tech-UK

Np. That's interesting, at least we know these discs are encoded with xvYCC. Where does the flag appear? when you hit the info button?

As far as I am aware, the only Blu-ray titles to be encoded with x.v.Color are these 'mastered in 4K' titles.

Is your set calibrated to BT.709/ISF calibrated?

When the disc began to play something popped up on the screen,
I then pressed info on the VT50 and then took the photo.



I don't know about BT 709/ISF. The VT50 is from Panasonic 2012. It is a THX certified set and we spent time with a calibration blu ray disc and went into the advanced settings and fine tuned the white balance, colour management and gamma.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by ricster

When the disc began to play something popped up on the screen,
I then pressed info on the VT50 and then took the photo.

[Show spoiler]

I don't know about BT 709/ISF. The VT50 is from Panasonic 2012. It is a THX certified set and we spent time with a calibration blu ray disc and went into the advanced settings and fine tuned the white balance, colour management and gamma.

I have the TC-L55ET5. Any idea if it is x.v.color compatible? I can't find any confirmation.

[PowellPressburger]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I have the TC-L55ET5. Any idea if it is x.v.color compatible? I can't find any confirmation.

tried looking at the Spec sheet on the website. It doesn't say. I would call their customer service and ask or if you are able to get to the TV try to find it on the settings maybe?

http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-L55ET5?t=specs

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

tried looking at the Spec sheet on the website. It doesn't say. I would call their customer service and ask or if you are able to get to the TV try to find it on the settings maybe?

http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-L55ET5?t=specs

Much obliged.