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Old 12-09-2014, 11:28 PM   #10801
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I think you're saying you think you're the king of star wars discussions. Is that right? You're so mean
He is & we better get back to the topic or I will close the thread & remove all the BS that is happening & take names at the same time.
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Old 12-09-2014, 11:31 PM   #10802
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George Lucas said, after the release of Red Tails (and this is a paraphrase, don't remember the exact quote):

"Why bother to make movies when all you get are people saying such terrible things about you?"

Of course it bothers him. He knows.
According to the internet, the exact quote was "Why would I make any more, when everybody yells at you all the time and says what a terrible person you are?" From an interview to The New York Times.
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Old 12-10-2014, 02:20 AM   #10803
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The real fans will remember Lucas saying long long ago thàt he always intended on continuing Star Wars. Besides telling mark hamill that he would be reprising his role around 2011 or later... He also stated that the franchise would be passed on to his first daughter (she helped think up the ewoks and jar jar) but he probably heard the collective cynicism and hate, then decided his child shouldn't not and could not handle that.

So it is more like, without him you would not have anything to bicker about and he sold his baby so that the real fans and fake (you) can continue to have Star Wars in your life and hopefully one that a newer generation can grow with.

Side note: I love how Lucas saying he has not seen the trailer because he likes to go into the movie without having anything ruined = Lucas does not care haha. Pathetic internet generation at its finest. You guys are really beyond help.
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Are you even old enough to have seen the original theatre version?

And I mean the original with this guy/erm lady?



Because most people that complain and use movie forums are not old enough to even know what they are asking for... Not saying this is you but it is a real question.

Many people don't even know that he has been retouching the movies for years and years even before the special edition re release...
Not one, but two people you have to insult. Calling one person a "fake fan" and another "too young" Could you not be rude, please? No one is attacking you.
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Old 12-10-2014, 03:06 AM   #10804
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I saw the trailer a few or several days ago. I'm a bit interested in seeing it. I'm glad I don't know jack about the storyline except what was in the trailer and I plan on knowing nothing more than that.
I'm more excited to see both AVENGERS: Age of Ultron along with ANT-MAN, SPECTRE, JURASSIC WORLD, MAD MAX: Fury Road and a couple other movies far more compared to another Star Wars film. So I'm mildly interested since I haven't been a fan since 2007.
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Old 12-10-2014, 03:12 AM   #10805
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So I'm mildly interested since I haven't been a fan since 2007.
What happened in 2007?
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Old 12-10-2014, 03:12 AM   #10806
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Are you even old enough to have seen the original theatre version?

And I mean the original with this guy/erm lady?



Because most people that complain and use movie forums are not old enough to even know what they are asking for... Not saying this is you but it is a real question.

Many people don't even know that he has been retouching the movies for years and years even before the special edition re release...
The biggest travesty is that Lucas has refused the original trilogy film negatives for preservation, even by the National Film Registry, which he helped bring about. I think I've read that the original does exist, that Lucas has tried to replace all copies with the SEs, but not sure if that's true or not. If they are stored safely somewhere, they might still not be properly cared for, plus proper restoration work must be done, before anyone will ever be able to own a high quality copy. Hopefully some day proper restoration and preservation will occur, and everyone who wishes to can own the original trilogy they enjoyed in theaters.

There's lots of information about it, but I certainly do want the unedited, theatrically-released versions of the OT as part of my collection.

http://savestarwars.com/
http://savestarwars.com/lucasspeecha...aledition.html

P.S.: Despite all of his perceived flaws, I still love GL and all he's accomplished and given to me. Star Wars and Indiana Jones alone have given me more enjoyment than probably any other film-maker. Still, I'm happy with his decision to sell his companies as I think that is what he felt was best for it and his fans, to allow them to continue to grow and capture more fans. He deserves much respect.

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Old 12-10-2014, 08:21 AM   #10807
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You guys need to find a new hobby.
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Old 12-10-2014, 11:58 AM   #10809
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The biggest travesty is that Lucas has refused the original trilogy film negatives for preservation, even by the National Film Registry, which he helped bring about.
The National Film Registry has the original 1977 release version. See the documentary, "These Amazing Shadows" on Netflix. All the Star Wars footage is from the original release.
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Old 12-10-2014, 12:25 PM   #10810
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Just saw an article online that Sony emails were hacked and releases. Apparently David Fincher thinks Adam Driver is a "horrible choice" to play the villain in Star Wars. Remains to be seen, but so funny those comments got leaked.
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Old 12-10-2014, 12:57 PM   #10811
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Reportedly seen at a movie theater.
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Old 12-10-2014, 01:04 PM   #10812
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Is this a poster in a frame or a projection on screen? either way its fake. They wont let such a poor teaser poster be put out this soon.

Also if it isnt know, the teaser trailer will be available before certain showings at most UK cinemas as of next week
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Old 12-10-2014, 01:06 PM   #10813
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Just saw an article online that Sony emails were hacked and releases. Apparently David Fincher thinks Adam Driver is a "horrible choice" to play the villain in Star Wars. Remains to be seen, but so funny those comments got leaked.
You know what I think is a horrible idea?

David Fincher directing Star Wars 7. LucasFilm had discussions with him, so glad it didn't happen.
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Old 12-10-2014, 01:09 PM   #10814
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Is this a poster in a frame or a projection on screen? either way its fake. They wont let such a poor teaser poster be put out this soon.
Sure looks fake. I hope whoever made it is having fun.
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Old 12-10-2014, 01:19 PM   #10815
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As bad as Red Tails was Lucas should be happy it wasn't a bigger financial/critical flop. I think I've seen video games with better acting/storyline..and effects. It was kind of cool to see him projecting a 1940's war film mentality on the reality of the Red Tails, but he forgot to give us good characters!
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Old 12-10-2014, 01:25 PM   #10816
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The National Film Registry has the original 1977 release version. See the documentary, "These Amazing Shadows" on Netflix. All the Star Wars footage is from the original release.
Star Wars was one of the first 25 that were included in the first registry (1989) for archival, so it would make sense they could have an unedited copy. However, Empire was selected in 2010. What version do you think the LoC's NFR has of tESB?

I haven't seen that documentary, so thanks for pointing out it's on Netflix. My information was from savestarwars.com:

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I have spoken much about this fact. It's important that a professional film storage facility is keeping care of our beloved Star Wars films, because it sure seems like Lucasfilm isn't. In 70 years when the films become public domain, we may discover that Lucasfilm didn't maintain them or didn't restore them and so the original materials are no longer useful. According to one insider I spoke to, the original negative has already faded to the point where it is not possible to produce prints that looked the way they did in 1977. The Library of Congress National Film Registry, with better facilities and better maintenance, might be the last reservoir, as any privately owned prints out there without such resources would long ago have faded away by then.

All seemed well, until I received an email earlier this year from a professional film restorationist. I cannot print his name, as he volunteered under secrecy, but he is known in the field. And, he mentioned, regularly did business with the Library of Congress in their preservation efforts. We got to talking about public prints, and how Lucas has suppressed their screening. I have omited certain names and information for privacy issues:

"Written into George Lucas' contract with Fox is the line stating that any prints of the original that are found must be hunted up and destroyed," he said. "As a result, film collectors are very loath to disclose where any prints of any Lucas films are at all. There are a few IB Technicolor Star Wars prints in private hands." He went on to state. "I'm not sure which contract it is. I have no idea whether it's public record or not. I do know that in the early 2000s there were a Technicolor festival in LA, and Star Wars was announced as a title. After trying to legally clear the title through Fox, the organizers of the festival were threatened with having the print confiscated and destroyed. They told the organizers of the festival that it was a line in Lucas' contract. The organizers were frantic to get rid of the print they had so that Fox couldn't get to it."

He further mentions: "I can also tell you that, due to the high contrast of Technicolor prints, the possibility of preserving the original version from an original [Technicolor] print is very difficult. A certain dye transfer print [of Star Wars] was deposited at the Library of Congress for a while for just this purpose, and it was not possible to copy it. Alas, the version that was put in the National Film Registry is the 1997 version."

Now, here is where the scandal starts. Lucasfilm confiscating original prints is nothing new. That has happened many times. But what was scandalous is the information that the NFR did not have the original. As far as their own public registry shows, they do. It has never been reported by them or by Lucasfilm that this situation ever changed. And it is especially disturbing that they would have the 1997 version if their record showed it was the original. It would also entirely invalidate their integrity. I inquired further, and this is what the source reported:

"I personally held a [Technicolor] print [of Star Wars] in my hands that was delivered to Library of Congress for copying. It stayed there for some time before it was returned to the owner... They could not copy it accurately," because of the contrast. "Most preservation is still done photochemically. A film like Star Wars would need to be copied at 4K and then dropped back to film, and the prospect of doing that was and still is too expensive for LoC. I have not personally seen the print of Star Wars that was deposited at LoC, but I was told by LoC employees that the print on deposit in the National Film Registry is the 1997 reissue version."

He elaborates: "I was told that Lucas dragged his feet and hemmed and hawed that Star Wars needed restoration work before it could go on deposit, and then what was sent was the 1997 version.
All I know is what I was told by the Library itself. I'm sure that no one who works there will go on record publicly and say this, but I was told this by the top people who work there."

He goes on: "I can't verify that it's true, because the Registry prints aren't rentable without clearance from Lucas, and Lucas hasn't given permission for *anyone* to exhibit Star Wars theatrically unless it's a special occasion for some years. The last I saw one was in 2005 or 2006, when Fox rented a reissue print to a place where I was working. It was a special event."

So, it seems that in the early 1990s when they requested a print Lucas dragged his feet about restoration work (probably because they were starting to work on the Special Edition), and when they finally offered them one it was the 1997 Special Edition. Meanwhile, a privator donor leant a 1977 Technicolor print for archiving, but it couldn't be copied and was returned.

Finally, as an aside he adds: "The Registry is basically useless anyway, because the prints are all on restricted access by the copyright owners, and so you basically can't see them unless you go to DC and look at them on a film viewer, and I'd bet that some of the registry films have only one print, so no viewing prints are available. That's the goofy copyright law, one of the other things I rant and rave about a lot."
It seems the copy the NFR has is beyond repair or ability to be used for viewing purposes, thus it doesn't quite count. They are still waiting for a better copy from Lucas, who has only offered them the SE version.

http://savestarwars.com/lucas-nfr.html
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Regardless, all the footage in the documentary is derived from what's in the library, and the Star Wars footage is not from the SE.
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Old 12-10-2014, 01:29 PM   #10818
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I am soooo bummed that the International trailer I saw was reported as a 'fake'. DANG IT!
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Old 12-10-2014, 01:39 PM   #10819
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Regardless, all the footage in the documentary is derived from what's in the library, and the Star Wars footage is not from the SE.
This is good news, assuming they have all of the footage which has been edited or replaced in the SEs, and none of this is what is damaged.
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Old 12-10-2014, 01:41 PM   #10820
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This is good news, assuming they have all of the footage which has been edited or replaced in the SEs, and none of this is what is damaged.
It was nice to see the original Death Star explosion again...
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