Disney+'s - Loki (Season 2)

[donutbat]

I just had a revelation.

I rewatched the finale and I just figured out why He Who Remains kept "pruning" Lokis throughout the multiverse: He already chose Loki to be his replacement; he was just looking for the right Loki to come along!

How did I come to this conclusion? Because of Classic Loki's story. He said he was in hiding for many years, and only when he chose to go find Thor did the TVA apprehend him. Meaning HWR was looking for this particular Loki since "our" Loki was killed by Thanos. But maybe he was now too old and had lost interest in his "glorious purpose"?

When Avenger's Loki takes the Tessaract, it gave HWR a new Loki to be placed into his plan.

Where does Sylvie fit into this? HWR chose her to be the "chosen" Loki's companion. I'm sure he sent the TVA to pick her up as a little girl because he thought she would be a companion for Kid Loki. Except that she escaped. But in the end, she was placed in the same path as this newfound Loki so that they could help each other arrive at the end of time.

I may be wrong, but it makes total sense!

[Stanis]

No, i think that makes total sense. Unlike that guy complaining about alligator Loki and bad writing on and on earlier.

I enjoyed this, best mcu show easy even if it was light on action but heavy on talk, it was good talk with interesting ideas. And the prospect of a heavy hitting bad guy to come!

[donutbat]

I'm starting to think that in the logical chronological order, Loki is after Endgame.

So my new timeline would be:

Endgame
Loki
WandaVision (she hears her kids who now exist in the multiverse)
Falcon America and The Winter Soldier (Cap is gone... as in pruned?)
Spider-man: Far From Home (Mysterio mentioning the multiverse can't be a coincidence)

Thoughts?

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by donutbat

I'm starting to think that in the logical chronological order, Loki is after Endgame.

Thoughts?

It totally depends. One could want to follow the timeline that branches off from the first Avengers.

[UniSol GR77]

Originally Posted by donutbat

Where does Sylvie fit into this? HWR chose her to be the "chosen" Loki's companion. I'm sure he sent the TVA to pick her up as a little girl because he thought she would be a companion for Kid Loki.

Where did the TVA agents pick her up? An alternate universe. But did they believe into one single timeline and not a multiverse??????

Think about it

[UniSol GR77]

Originally Posted by John1701D

But that's not my point. She wasn't pruned the instant it was going to be a girl, she and her universe lived on for at least ten years. She was her own person, not a variant of "our" Loki.

Yes. And she lives in an alternate universe UNRELATED to the "sacred timeline" (MCU). So why should they even bother to steal and kill her? LMAO it doesn't make sense.
They jump into alternate universes and they don't know it.
Plus, these alternate universes don't interfer with the MCU timeline. At all.

Bad writing.

[Guy87]

Originally Posted by donutbat

I just had a revelation.

I rewatched the finale and I just figured out why He Who Remains kept "pruning" Lokis throughout the multiverse: He already chose Loki to be his replacement; he was just looking for the right Loki to come along!

How did I come to this conclusion? Because of Classic Loki's story. He said he was in hiding for many years, and only when he chose to go find Thor did the TVA apprehend him. Meaning HWR was looking for this particular Loki since "our" Loki was killed by Thanos. But maybe he was now too old and had lost interest in his "glorious purpose"?

When Avenger's Loki takes the Tessaract, it gave HWR a new Loki to be placed into his plan.

Where does Sylvie fit into this? HWR chose her to be the "chosen" Loki's companion. I'm sure he sent the TVA to pick her up as a little girl because he thought she would be a companion for Kid Loki. Except that she escaped. But in the end, she was placed in the same path as this newfound Loki so that they could help each other arrive at the end of time.

I may be wrong, but it makes total sense!

I'm enjoying that your revelation...is literally what the guy says in the show

Originally Posted by UniSol GR77

Where did the TVA agents pick her up? An alternate universe. But did they believe into one single timeline and not a multiverse??????

Think about it

They pick her up from an alternate timeline.

They know there's alternate timelines. Their job is to prune them because they believe there should be only one timeline.

This is the easiest part of the show to understand, they say it. On screen. A lot.

Originally Posted by UniSol GR77

Yes. And she lives in an alternate universe UNRELATED to the "sacred timeline" (MCU). So why should they even bother to steal and kill her? LMAO it doesn't make sense.
They jump into alternate universes and they don't know it.
Plus, these alternate universes don't interfer with the MCU timeline. At all.

Bad writing.

Her timeline branches out of the MCU timeline, the only difference being Loki is born female. Her and her timeline needs to be destroyed because it will eventually cause multiversal war simply by existing.

Of course her timeline will eventually interfere with the MCU. The dude literally says at the end of the show that multiple versions of him from different timelines start a huge war.

This is the last time I will respond to your trolling.

[isolar801]

Ever wonder about the Troll that guards the bridge?
Is there just one Troll, or do they take shifts?
Does the Troll ever go potty, and maybe you could sneak by him if he did? Does the Troll get a lunch/dinner break, or is he forced to guard for eternity with no sustenance?
Why have Trolls been assigned to this task? Do they have outstanding patience, or is it because they are so intimidating?

This is how I think about Trolls....never considered someone who doesn't like 3rd grade sci-fi stories to be one.

[donutbat]

Originally Posted by Guy87

I'm enjoying that your revelation...is literally what the guy says in the show

Except he didn't...

He only said he was looking for someone to replace him. He never said he was specifically hunting Lokis to find the one to replace him, nor that Avenger's Loki was his preference.

[Guy87]

Originally Posted by donutbat

Except he didn't...

He only said he was looking for someone to replace him. He never said he was specifically hunting Lokis to find the one to replace him, nor that Avenger's Loki was his preference.

I'm sure he talked about specifically creating a "path" for those two Lokos to be sat in the seats in front of him.

[bell_packet]

Originally Posted by John1701D

Well that rules out the rumor that it was already shot but just divided up into two seasons.

It's bizarre to me so many people bought that just from a vague Clark Gregg interview as opposed to Feige himself saying S1 was 6 episodes. Some people just want to believe in things that make no sense. TFatWS and WV barely scraped through getting their filming done but Loki apparently had time to shoot twice as many episodes? Mmkay.

[Star Lord]

Yeah that was some BS rumor. This was shot in late 2019- before March 2020 most likely. I remember seeing leaked pics at the time with Owen Wilson wearing a raincoat thingy that Marvel obsessively uses to hide actors in case a set pic gets leaked somehow.

[Josep5349]

Originally Posted by Rodney-2187

The Ancient One told Banner that leaving with the Infinity Stone would create a branch and refereed to it as a new reality. Returning the stone effectively erased that alternate reality.

Not quite though as the entire premise of the time travel in Endgame was that travelling back always creates a new branch, so going back to return the stone would in itself create yet another separate branch.

[Rodney-2187]

Originally Posted by Josep5349

Not quite though as the entire premise of the time travel in Endgame was that travelling back always creates a new branch, so going back to return the stone would in itself create yet another separate branch.

I thought that too while watching Endgame, before Loki. None of it is perfect, but it’s a lot of fun to theorize. I think the way HWR explains it is that always happened and any timelines where it didn’t happen were pruned. The Ancient One seemed disturbed. She says something about making a mistake. Maybe she recognized something was off, the absence of free will to not give the stone to Banner.

[Guy87]

Originally Posted by Josep5349

Not quite though as the entire premise of the time travel in Endgame was that travelling back always creates a new branch, so going back to return the stone would in itself create yet another separate branch.

Whilst the theory of this is true, sometimes I think we just need to take the narrative at face value.

It's a bit like Back to the Future.
The first one treats time as a singular loop, Marty disappears when his parents aren't together.
The second one essentially scraps that in favour of timelines. Which means the disappearing parents thing should never work, and it also means Marty's original parents lose their son on the same night that Doc dies in a car park, and they never get him back (and he lands on a new timeline with new parents, Twin Pines being Lone Pines and Clayton Ravine being Eastwood Ravine, etc).

Everytime I think of his poor parents in movie one It's upsetting.

[BluBonnet]

This one must be from an alternate timeline

[Dalekbuster523Bluray]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

This one must be from an alternate timeline

That's the version where Mobius gets his jet ski.

[donutbat]

Originally Posted by Guy87

Whilst the theory of this is true, sometimes I think we just need to take the narrative at face value.

It's a bit like Back to the Future.
The first one treats time as a singular loop, Marty disappears when his parents aren't together.
The second one essentially scraps that in favour of timelines. Which means the disappearing parents thing should never work, and it also means Marty's original parents lose their son on the same night that Doc dies in a car park, and they never get him back (and he lands on a new timeline with new parents, Twin Pines being Lone Pines and Clayton Ravine being Eastwood Ravine, etc).

Everytime I think of his poor parents in movie one It's upsetting.

Back to the future is more complex once you start thinking about it.
By part 3, Marty returns to a fourth timeline where the Eastwood Ravine is now a reality. The Jennifer he meets is from this new timeline, not the second alternate timeline from part 2.

Going back to Endgame, we take at face value that Tony knows more about time travel than Back to the Future. But since when does Tony know anything about time travel? He's a genius, but he never even thought about it till Ant-man shows up. Tony believes in one theory, but it's not the same theory as the Ancient One. And it's not the reality of HWR.

[trevrox]

So if He Who Remains says he paved the way for them to get to him at the end, is that more evidence to the theory that

[Show spoiler] the nexus event at the start of episode 4 was Loki and Sylvie about to die, and not that they had a loving moment? I always subscribed to the theory that the nexus event was their imminent death

[Guy87]

Originally Posted by donutbat

Back to the future is more complex once you start thinking about it.
By part 3, Marty returns to a fourth timeline where the Eastwood Ravine is now a reality. The Jennifer he meets is from this new timeline, not the second alternate timeline from part 2.

Going back to Endgame, we take at face value that Tony knows more about time travel than Back to the Future. But since when does Tony know anything about time travel? He's a genius, but he never even thought about it till Ant-man shows up. Tony believes in one theory, but it's not the same theory as the Ancient One. And it's not the reality of HWR.

Not to derail the thread entirely, but I did a timeline count on BTTF once, and it's massive and not a single main character from the original timeline ends up with any other character from the original timeline.

Still three narratively perfect movies though.