Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by flyry

I went into the store today and bought a disc of a movie I had bought digitally last week. (Upgrade).

How bout that?

Bravissimo!

I plan to buy it myself when I place my next order. There's a forum member who has watched it over 15 times already posting in this thread:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...ostcount=42682

[PCFan]

Originally Posted by flyry

I went into the store today and bought a disc of a movie I had bought digitally last week. (Upgrade).

How bout that?

When you decide to resell it if you are the type of person that buys a blu-ray then resells it when finished watching it, you will get almost nothing for it. The pawn shop in my area only pays $1 per blu-ray and the movie store will only give me 50 cents for a blu-ray I'm trying to sell, so I guess I'm stuck with this blu-ray that I don't care for and it's the only blu-ray I own. I put it on Ebay with no success selling it and if I tried to sell it any lower I would almost get nothing for it after fees.

[tjritter79]

Originally Posted by Vilya

TV sets have no future; we have already been forewarned.

Broadcast sports don't either unless they can be reduced to 10 minute or less short subjects optimized for low rez phone viewing. But at least they will have HDR.

Oh, that will suck when the Yankees/Red Sox rivalry hits the playoffs!
No really, I see a comparison of apples and oranges here.

TV is its own market, sets are being made larger 8K is coming. Samsung just introduced theirs, an 85in monster. Sports on TV will continue until there comes a time when the rights are so expensive all broadcasters refuse to cover it.
For people who think "home theater" is the way to rule, they will be the first on the 8K bandwagon. Certainly for the first 2-5 yrs, content will be limited, just like 4K.
But from what I see in the TV industry, 1080/HD will be phased out, more of the screens will be 4K, the price difference is neglible now. You may see "budget" 1080 for a couple of years. But I say in 5 yrs tops, 4K will be the standard. Cable will likely be "streaming" rather than broadcasting because to rebuild their infrastructure for 4K then even 8K, will be too cost prohibitive.
8K will be a "top" tier of equipment and 4K will become the "standard" much like 1080 HD is now.
These companies wouldn't build products they don't think a market exists for, many of them already have committed resources to manufacture and distribute 8K products, so somewhere market research says there is a demand for it.

[tjritter79]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

But doesn’t the Apple TV pre-buffer the content so you are effectively downloading a section of the content?

Well, I am a technician, but I'll admit I know NOTHING how Apple TV works. Technology evolves quicker than I can keep up with it. A couple of years ago, I went to a IBM seminar about DDR3 memory. I was back maybe...3 weeks.....DDR4 came out.

But, I will say, the picture from Apple TV is super sharp & clear, so it wouldn't surprise me if they pre-buffer into internal memory then play back a superior picture....if that's what they do....others should follow suit.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by alchav21

It's not a theory it's fact, Wired is superior to Wireless. Here is a Google Link comparing the two, and the experts go with Wired:

https://www.google.com/search?source....0.KdlXTq7J95w


You Wireless people might not get Buffering, but I'm sure your PQ will not be as good as someone who is Wired. The Wireless people are more likely to complain about Degradation.

And it magically only happens with Amazon?!?!

[stonesfan129]

Adaptive streaming, buffering before playing, blah, blah, blah... Any way you cut it, it still doesn't beat a disc at the end of the day. And then you have to worry about your ISP throttling the stuff you already paid for... Disc for me, not a hard choice.

[Groot]

If my ISP was doing that bad it would also adversely affect my job and I’d have bigger problems than disc or digital.

[tjritter79]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

Adaptive streaming, buffering before playing, blah, blah, blah... Any way you cut it, it still doesn't beat a disc at the end of the day. And then you have to worry about your ISP throttling the stuff you already paid for... Disc for me, not a hard choice.

It may not beat it...it may not have to.
There is a great deal more convenience involved with streaming that a disc cannot have. When you view the pictures side by side......and I DO agree the benchmarks do favor discs......however, just viewing the picture if you have adequate internet, a constant connection, no buffering and dropouts....the difference is hardly negligible.

But you bring up a great point, and one that's lost in this whole debate. We HAVE a choice! Why does 1 method have to mean the end all/beat all of the other?

Listen, I'm an older man with health problems, I had to retire early and believe me if I wasn't fighting numerous health issues, I'd still be working and serving my customers. Pushing a few buttons on a remote to get a movie streamed for me is a whole helava lot easier than looking up on a database where my disc is located (I have over 1500 BD's you know) going to where its stored, pulling it out, loading it in the player, then watching it.

I prefer discs, I like holding them in my hand, I like collecting them. But that collection takes up space. When I first got divorced I only had a handful of my discs, I was moving into an apartment and space was limited. In a few years my GF & I got a house where we are living now. Been here 8 yrs now, and I'll be honest I'm running out of space....add to that my health, what if I go...what is my GF to do with all my discs? So I have been offering some for sale that I have duplicated on digital. In my mind the convenience of digital is a better choice for me, at this point of my life.

There is no right or wrong answer here, you can be a fan of both mediums and choose which at the time serves you best.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PCFan

When you decide to resell it if you are the type of person that buys a blu-ray then resells it when finished watching it, you will get almost nothing for it. The pawn shop in my area only pays $1 per blu-ray and the movie store will only give me 50 cents for a blu-ray I'm trying to sell, so I guess I'm stuck with this blu-ray that I don't care for and it's the only blu-ray I own. I put it on Ebay with no success selling it and if I tried to sell it any lower I would almost get nothing for it after fees.

And how much resale value does a used digital code have? When you tire of that digital copy, what will you get for it at the pawn shop or online?

A used disc still has some value and you can also donate it to a charitable entity. You can also re-gift them. Can't do any of that with a used digital code.

If I buy something, I almost always intend to keep the item that I bought. My purchases are not investments where I expect to get a return on my initial expenditure. The very act of buying a movie, disc or digital, suggests that there is likely a desire to watch it more than once.

If you made a blind buy, then you knew the risk you were taking beforehand; had you blindly bought a digital copy, used it, disliked it, you would have zero chance of recovering any money whatsoever.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by tjritter79

It may not beat it...it may not have to.
There is a great deal more convenience involved with streaming that a disc cannot have. When you view the pictures side by side......and I DO agree the benchmarks do favor discs......however, just viewing the picture if you have adequate internet, a constant connection, no buffering and dropouts....the difference is hardly negligible.

But you bring up a great point, and one that's lost in this whole debate. We HAVE a choice! Why does 1 method have to mean the end all/beat all of the other?

Listen, I'm an older man with health problems, I had to retire early and believe me if I wasn't fighting numerous health issues, I'd still be working and serving my customers. Pushing a few buttons on a remote to get a movie streamed for me is a whole helava lot easier than looking up on a database where my disc is located (I have over 1500 BD's you know) going to where its stored, pulling it out, loading it in the player, then watching it.

I prefer discs, I like holding them in my hand, I like collecting them. But that collection takes up space. When I first got divorced I only had a handful of my discs, I was moving into an apartment and space was limited. In a few years my GF & I got a house where we are living now. Been here 8 yrs now, and I'll be honest I'm running out of space....add to that my health, what if I go...what is my GF to do with all my discs? So I have been offering some for sale that I have duplicated on digital. In my mind the convenience of digital is a better choice for me, at this point of my life.

There is no right or wrong answer here, you can be a fan of both mediums and choose which at the time serves you best.

Precisely right about having a choice. Both purchase options exist and both options will continue to exist. My preference for purchases is exclusively discs, others prefer digital entirely, but I believe that there are great number of people that buy both for a variety of reasons. We are all well served; the market knows its customers.

I am sorry to read about your health problems. I hope that you retain a high quality of life despite them.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Groot

And it magically only happens with Amazon?!?!

No Magic it Streams Fantastic for me, but then all my Streaming Providers Stream good.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by PCFan

When you decide to resell it, you will get almost nothing for it. The pawn shop in my area only pays $1 per blu-ray and the movie store will only give me 50 cents for a blu-ray I'm trying to sell, so I guess I'm stuck with this blu-ray that I don't care for. I put it on Ebay with no success selling it and if I tried to sell it any lower I would almost get nothing for it after fees.

I'm not into this hobby for $.

When I upgrade my catalog titles of blu-rays with newer 4k versions I usually just give the blu to my father or a friend.

I have sold a few for $5 each on Offer Up though but usually they are given away.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by alchav21

No Magic it Streams Fantastic for me, but then all my Streaming Providers Stream good.

Congratulations? Must be your amazing hard wired connection fixing the poor color grading, bleed and spotty picture of some of their content. Maybe you should bottle those bits and sell them to the masses.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Groot

Congratulations? Must be your amazing hard wired connection fixing the poor color grading, bleed and spotty picture of some of their content. Maybe you should bottle those bits and sell them to the masses.

I don't see any of that, both my IPTV and Streaming come straight Hard Wired from my Fiber Feed Switch. I can switch from HDTV to any Streaming Provider with my TV Remote, and the PQ and Sound are Fantastic. No Disc, no bother, no problem!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I don't see any of that, both my IPTV and Streaming come straight Hard Wired from my Fiber Feed Switch. I can switch from HDTV to any Streaming Provider with my TV Remote, and the PQ and Sound are Fantastic. No Disc, no bother, no problem!

No need for unreliable internet, no need for overtaxed server farms, no problems.

It is also quite the stunning revelation that you can switch from your TV service to a streaming provider using your remote. It is not stunning that this is possible; it is stunning that you think that impresses anyone.

The issue was never about your satisfaction with your ISP or with the streaming you receive, anyway. We all already know how much you love everything about it.

The issue was with Amazon's crappy streaming service as experienced by multiple members posting here. These same members also reported that all other streaming services that they subscribe to perform normally.

And what was your explanation? It must be the fault of their wireless home networks because you yourself have no problems streaming from Amazon. If it works to your satisfaction, then it must be their fault.

Never mind that their other streaming services work just fine over that same wireless network and never mind that the problem with Amazon's streaming service occurs even over a wired connection, never mind any of that because you, cable internet installer extraordinaire, have diagnosed the problem and you blame the wireless network.

And you don't even know the capabilities of the different rated routers, but you fault the wireless home network every. single. time. anyone has any problem with streaming.

You ignore all of the articles that multiple people have posted in a futile attempt to educate you about wireless networks and about streaming services. You persist in your folly while continually revealing your ignorance and that is not going to change.

I read some of your comments today about wireless networks and streaming, word for word, to my CIO friend in New Zealand. Speaking what you have written aloud made me feel dumber just for saying it. His reply was succinct: "What an idiot; he doesn't know what he's talking about." It might seem like a harsh assessment, but it is absolutely correct. You really don't know shite from apple butter.

You were asked nicely earlier today to stop with this nonsense, but you never do, so wear this ; you have earned it ...again.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by tjritter79

Oh, that will suck when the Yankees/Red Sox rivalry hits the playoffs!
No really, I see a comparison of apples and oranges here.

TV is its own market, sets are being made larger 8K is coming. Samsung just introduced theirs, an 85in monster. Sports on TV will continue until there comes a time when the rights are so expensive all broadcasters refuse to cover it.
For people who think "home theater" is the way to rule, they will be the first on the 8K bandwagon. Certainly for the first 2-5 yrs, content will be limited, just like 4K.
But from what I see in the TV industry, 1080/HD will be phased out, more of the screens will be 4K, the price difference is neglible now. You may see "budget" 1080 for a couple of years. But I say in 5 yrs tops, 4K will be the standard. Cable will likely be "streaming" rather than broadcasting because to rebuild their infrastructure for 4K then even 8K, will be too cost prohibitive.
8K will be a "top" tier of equipment and 4K will become the "standard" much like 1080 HD is now.
These companies wouldn't build products they don't think a market exists for, many of them already have committed resources to manufacture and distribute 8K products, so somewhere market research says there is a demand for it.

Not a chance 1080p will be phased out. It will become essential if HDR is here to stay. Bookmark this reply and come back in 5 years. Not a chance.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by tjritter79

It may not beat it...it may not have to.
There is a great deal more convenience involved with streaming that a disc cannot have. When you view the pictures side by side......and I DO agree the benchmarks do favor discs......however, just viewing the picture if you have adequate internet, a constant connection, no buffering and dropouts....the difference is hardly negligible.

But you bring up a great point, and one that's lost in this whole debate. We HAVE a choice! Why does 1 method have to mean the end all/beat all of the other?

Listen, I'm an older man with health problems, I had to retire early and believe me if I wasn't fighting numerous health issues, I'd still be working and serving my customers. Pushing a few buttons on a remote to get a movie streamed for me is a whole helava lot easier than looking up on a database where my disc is located (I have over 1500 BD's you know) going to where its stored, pulling it out, loading it in the player, then watching it.

I prefer discs, I like holding them in my hand, I like collecting them. But that collection takes up space. When I first got divorced I only had a handful of my discs, I was moving into an apartment and space was limited. In a few years my GF & I got a house where we are living now. Been here 8 yrs now, and I'll be honest I'm running out of space....add to that my health, what if I go...what is my GF to do with all my discs? So I have been offering some for sale that I have duplicated on digital. In my mind the convenience of digital is a better choice for me, at this point of my life.

There is no right or wrong answer here, you can be a fan of both mediums and choose which at the time serves you best.

Am I the only guy that works in this thread? . No wonder everyone has sarcasm down to a tee (excluding you so far) So much time to perfect it!

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Am I the only guy that works in this thread? . No wonder everyone has sarcasm down to a tee (excluding you so far) So much time to perfect it!

I own my own business and do outsourced work for major brands. But thanks. I do feel my sarcasm game is pretty strong.

[Wendell R. Breland]

A new court ruling about digital codes here.

“Nothing disturbs that prior ruling in favor of Redbox. Redbox remains free to sell codes for those prior titles. This morning’s ruling is limited to digital codes for certain titles, like Black Panther, that contain new disclosures, but were distributed after the 19 titles listed in Disney’s complaint. Redbox has never attempted to sell, and had no plans to sell, digital codes for Black Panther. Disney, therefore, has not been damaged by Redbox’s business practices, and the ruling compels no change in Redbox’s business practices.

“The same isn’t true for Disney. In addition to having been forced to change misleading language on its packaging and its websites, Disney now must offer consumers the ability to return digital codes or combo packs for a refund if they disagree with digital license terms. In fact, the court’s order expires in 90 days unless Disney ‘clearly and prominently indicates’ that consumers can obtain a refund if they do not agree with Disney’s restrictions.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Is there a specific title(s) on Amazon video that one can use as reference to see the video aberrations some are talking about? If so, I will ask Ben Waggoner to look into what the problem may be. He may or may not respond to the request. Ben is the Principal Video Specialist, Amazon Instant Video.