The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy (Extended Edition) (2001-2003)

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Why you busting my ball's Scotty? The lowest the set is right now is $49.99(Best Buy) and the lowest that it got was $39.99 at Fry's. At that time I took a pass and now I'm kicking myself for it. So I'm hoping that it will go back on sale down the line. I hope if that happens you'll be one of the first to post about it

I hear what you are saying frog, but sometimes you have to prioritize things. Which is why I had to take a pass when the set was on sale. Still, most likely they won't be adding too much if they do a complete set down the line. Worse case scenario, I double dip at a later date. I was thinking that my dvd set could tied me over, but I worry about the picture holding up, blah, blah.

I still Have my pre-order with Best Buy...
Next Paycheck, I'm'a gonna get it...

[NYorker]

Originally Posted by threefiftyrocket

I think that was meant to be taken as a joke, and a nod to those familiar with "The Hobbit" story.

You're probably right...I haven't read The Hobbit in 11 years, so it's a good excuse to re-read it again!

[billzfan]

I currently own the theatrical versions and was wondering if it's worth the $50 and hassle to sell off my theatrical versions. It sounds like the only transfer they changed was for Fellowship and the audio is the same.

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by billzfan

I currently own the theatrical versions and was wondering if it's worth the $50 and hassle to sell off my theatrical versions. It sounds like the only transfer they changed was for Fellowship and the audio is the same.

Do you want the additional scenes and bonus features? If so, yes. Otherwise, what's the difference in the long run anyway?

[Roy Batty]

Originally Posted by Lope de Aguirre

Seriously. Months and months of talk about the green tint and now when the Trailer of "The Hobbit" is released, nobody bothers to check if it was done to fit the new film?

Originally Posted by MacEachaidh

The teal wash was only on Fellowship, and was only done to try to fix colour grading problems with that film, not because that was the chosen "look" for Middle Earth overall. The other two LotR films don't match the look of Fellowship, and there was no reason for The Hobbit to.

Not to flog a dead horse (one that brought an out-of-control uproar and cost amny here a warning or even a ban), but...

I dare anyone to take a look at that HOBBIT trailer and keep insisting on the color tinkering on the Extended Edition of THE FELLOWSHIP being "right".

No, it wasn't right, it was clearly WRONG. And I am not getting here into subjective discussions on authorship entitlement and creative license, I mean technically wrong. Somebody somehow screwed up the luminance. Forget about your liking it or disliking it: it's simply defective.

I admit I dislike the after-the-fact tinkering with the color timing myself, but that's not the real issue here, I would be willing to put up with it as long as they did it right. I keep hoping the future will bring us a fixed edition of such a blatant fiasco. Someday.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by Roy Batty

Not to flog a dead horse (one that brought an out-of-control uproar and cost amny here a warning or even a ban), but...

I dare anyone to take a look at that HOBBIT trailer and keep insisting on the color tinkering on the Extended Edition of THE FELLOWSHIP being "right".

No, it wasn't right, it was clearly WRONG. And I am not getting here into subjective discussions on authorship entitlement and creative license, I mean technically wrong. Somebody somehow screwed up the luminance. Forget about your liking it or disliking it: it's simply defective.

I admit I dislike the after-the-fact tinkering with the color timing myself, but that's not the real issue here, I would be willing to put up with it as long as they did it right. I keep hoping the future will bring us a fixed edition of such a blatant fiasco. Someday.

Eh The Hobbit is a year out and final grading isn't complete. Also if it is wrong as some still believe it is it can't be proven until it is rereleased. If it is wrong it will be corrected. Jackson says its correct and I'll take him on his word. Another thing if peter says its right then by whos standard is it wrong? Only by people's standards who have no idea what peters motivations were and were not involved in the process. This whole thing is one big conspiracy theory. And recall that Jackson never said it was done to match the hobbit. That's speculation. Obviously it was wrong. Peter had his reasons. Personally I dont care. On my calibrated TV it looks great. All the problems i had with the original color grading are gone and i have no problema with the new color grade. Rivendale no longer looks like it is inhabited by the Simpsons and Lothrien isn't bathed in a hideous blue haze. This is just my opinion tho.

[s2mikey]

Finally own this set now, thanks to the bro! Great Xmas gift. Anyway, watched the first part of Fellowship last night. I didn't feel the color tint was that intrusive. It was noticeable for sure and in some scenes it was moreso than others. Overall though, a fairly detailed transfer that had its moments. Once we got into the film it didn't matter as much. It's been a while since we've watched these so it was a treat to get back to Middle Earth after a long hiatus.

I wouldn't call it a five star transfer but it works well enough for me.

Will do part two of Fellowship tonight and will probably knock the whole thing off this week with all the extra time off.

[mredman]

No Roy it was not wrong. Otherwise it would have been changed by now. And it hasn't . I am notgonna debate it either but clearly people that think its wrong now must admit that there is no mistake to speak of anymore.

And the teal isn't even noticeable when watching it.these 3 looks fantastic in EE. And the set is a MUST haveif you love LOTR

[MacEachaidh]

Originally Posted by mredman

No Roy it was not wrong. Otherwise it would have been changed by now. And it hasn't .

That doesn't necessarily follow. The studio has objectively acknowledged a problem with the colour grading of the film. If the EE of Fellowship is the way the film is "intended" to look, then shouldn't the studio have fixed the TE release? Or vice-versa? One of them, by definition, has to be wrong, yet neither has been changed.

And, of course, if the EE of Fellowship is intended to look this way, then why are the following two films in this set so different?

I think the only conclusion that can be drawn is that what we got is not what was intended from the start, but what the studio settled on under the circumstances. Either it was technically unable to make the film look any better, or else it was (and is) simply unwilling to expend the time and/or expense to improve it.

But I agree with Roy Batty's comments, and I'm subjectively flabbergasted by anyone who says they really can't see the shift in the colour palette and the "cloud over the sun" dullness throughout the first film. Deciding it doesn't matter to them, well that's a whole other thing. It's a valid response, fair enough, but it's still an after-the-fact choice, and it doesn't equate to there not being a problem in the first place.

[billzfan]

I just watched Fellowship EE and plan on returning the set. The prevailing image has a horribly dark green tint to it that actually ruins some of the images. I compared it to my theatrical edition and actually prefer the latter. The added scenes were clearly thrown in for diehard Tolkien stories but do little to make it a better "movie." I agree with all the edits he made, save for the death of Isuldur, which added very little to the running time and better explained why he ended up in the river. The gift giving,; which was made such a big deal about, really means very little because the rope is never shown in the theatricals and Frodo still gets the bottle of light. I haven't watched the others yet but I'm dissapointed so far.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by billzfan

I just watched Fellowship EE and plan on returning the set. The prevailing image has a horribly dark green tint to it that actually ruins some of the images. I compared it to my theatrical edition and actually prefer the latter. The added scenes were clearly thrown in for diehard Tolkien stories but do little to make it a better "movie." I agree with all the edits he made, save for the death of Isuldur, which added very little to the running time and better explained why he ended up in the river. The gift giving,; which was made such a big deal about, really means very little because the rope is never shown in the theatricals and Frodo still gets the bottle of light. I haven't watched the others yet but I'm dissapointed so far.

I've seen the movie and there was no Green tint, maybe my TV was adjusted properly for it...
Check your setting before returning it.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by billzfan

I just watched Fellowship EE and plan on returning the set. The prevailing image has a horribly dark green tint to it that actually ruins some of the images. I compared it to my theatrical edition and actually prefer the latter. The added scenes were clearly thrown in for diehard Tolkien stories but do little to make it a better "movie." I agree with all the edits he made, save for the death of Isuldur, which added very little to the running time and better explained why he ended up in the river. The gift giving,; which was made such a big deal about, really means very little because the rope is never shown in the theatricals and Frodo still gets the bottle of light. I haven't watched the others yet but I'm dissapointed so far.

Welcome to the debate which died 3 months ago.

If the so-called "tint" is that noticeable, your TV is probably too heavily calibrated towards a particular colour. It has been stated by many that a quick and small adjustment fixed the issue with FOTR while still preserving the colour of all other content presented on that display.

The theatrical editions don't even hold a candle to the extended editions. I will NEVER watch the theatrical edition of any of the trilogy EVER again. I'd recommend watching the entire series of extended films before returning the set. The additions to the other two films are far more prevalant than those added in FOTR and the image of the other two have nothing in them to complain about.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

If the so-called "tint" is that noticeable, your TV is probably too heavily calibrated towards a particular colour. It has been stated by many that a quick and small adjustment fixed the issue with FOTR while still preserving the colour of all other content presented on that display.

It actually means that in all likelihood his TV is already properly calibrated. On a properly calibrated set it's extremely easy to notice a presentation that has an "off" color issue (which Fellowship EE absolutely has,) it's much harder if not impossible to do so on a set that's torched or improperly calibrated.

Readjusting your set for one particular title is not a good idea. If you readjust your set to de-emphasize green in an attempt to reduce the green bias in Fellowship's EE BD BD you will absolutely affect other titles if you watch them with the same settings. You'd have to create a separate setting for use exclusively with the Fellowship EE BD, which is kind of a waste of time.

[MacEachaidh]

Originally Posted by Petra_Kalbrain

Welcome to the debate which died 3 months ago.

Settle, petal. You might have said all you want to about it; it doesn't mean that others must forego talking about the subject.

If the so-called "tint" is that noticeable, your TV is probably too heavily calibrated towards a particular colour. It has been stated by many that a quick and small adjustment fixed the issue with FOTR while still preserving the colour of all other content presented on that display.

The suggestion that it's due to the calibration of people's displays is, honestly, such a furphy. If it was simply a calibration issue, the other films in the set would look off as well. But they don't. And if you are changing the calibration to watch Fellowship and then back to what it was before you watch Two Towers, then that simply means there is a genuine problem with the transfer that some people, for whatever reason, want to be obdurate about acknowledging.

The theatrical editions don't even hold a candle to the extended editions.

I just watched the original cuts of these films last weekend, for the first time since they were on at the flicks. (I've only ever had the Extended cuts on DVD.) And while I love all the extra story and character information in the Extendeds, and wouldn't willingly give them up, I'm currently inclined to the opinion that the original Cinema cuts are, in fact, better films. I think they have better pacing and story rhythm, and in a dramatic sense I didn't find myself missing any scenes that weren't there. I can now understand better the people who say they like the shorter cuts better than the long ones.

[Gremal]

Originally Posted by MacEachaidh

Settle, petal. You might have said all you want to about it; it doesn't mean that others must forego talking about the subject.

The suggestion that it's due to the calibration of people's displays is, honestly, such a furphy. If it was simply a calibration issue, the other films in the set would look off as well. But they don't. And if you are changing the calibration to watch Fellowship and then back to what it was before you watch Two Towers, then that simply means there is a genuine problem with the transfer that some people, for whatever reason, want to be obdurate about acknowledging.

I just watched the original cuts of these films last weekend, for the first time since they were on at the flicks. (I've only ever had the Extended cuts on DVD.) And while I love all the extra story and character information in the Extendeds, and wouldn't willingly give them up, I'm currently inclined to the opinion that the original Cinema cuts are, in fact, better films. I think they have better pacing and story rhythm, and in a dramatic sense I didn't find myself missing any scenes that weren't there. I can now understand better the people who say they like the shorter cuts better than the long ones.

Yes, yes yes, and yes yes yes. Who has time to watch the extendeds anyway?

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by Gremal

Yes, yes yes, and yes yes yes. Who has time to watch the extendeds anyway?

*Raises hand*

[billzfan]

I just watched the original cuts of these films last weekend, for the first time since they were on at the flicks. (I've only ever had the Extended cuts on DVD.) And while I love all the extra story and character information in the Extendeds, and wouldn't willingly give them up, I'm currently inclined to the opinion that the original Cinema cuts are, in fact, better films. I think they have better pacing and story rhythm, and in a dramatic sense I didn't find myself missing any scenes that weren't there. I can now understand better the people who say they like the shorter cuts better than the long ones.[/QUOTE]

I just watched the extended cut of Two Towers while I was away from the boards and came away with the same impression that I did after FOTR. Yes, the added scenes are OK but it's a much less effective film. The scenes where Merrin and Pippen offer comic relief add nothing to the story and drag the pace down, which in the theatrical is near perfect for a 3 hour film. I haven't watched the extended of Return of the King yet, but so far:

Theatrical-2
Extended-0

[Gremal]

Originally Posted by billzfan

I just watched the extended cut of Two Towers while I was away from the boards and came away with the same impression that I did after FOTR. Yes, the added scenes are OK but it's a much less effective film. The scenes where Merrin and Pippen offer comic relief add nothing to the story and drag the pace down, which in the theatrical is near perfect for a 3 hour film. I haven't watched the extended of Return of the King yet, but so far:

Theatrical-2
Extended-0

So true, and if you're not a fan of Jackson's attempts at humor (which mostly consist of physical jokes about dwarves and food jokes about hobbits), you'll want to avoid the comic relief.

[Roy Batty]

Once again, I must insist on a few points:

- I am not referring to the green tint. It's proven that it's there, and it's more or less noticeable and more or less intrusive in a subjective, person-by-person basis. But it IS there, no question about it. You may want to discuss how much you like it or dislike it, but you can not dispute its presence.

- Some scenes are actually benefited from the new color timing and look certainly improved, with a better balanced saturation. Those are mostly shots with an overall orange-ish hue, which have kept its original color palette, but fine-tuned.

- Although information on the subject is confusing and contradictory, the new color timing may be as intended by the creators (meaning Jackson and his director of photography), so, again, there is little matter here for debate, other than personal taste.

So yes, there IS a green hue on the remastered version, and yes, it may be due to a creative decision (I have a hard time buying the latter, just from looking at the facts and doing the math, so to say, but I'll be the first one to admit I have no direct line to Mr. Jackson himself or any other person involved, so let's give that hypothesis the benefit of the doubt).

So, I am NOT discussing the infamous green tint.

I am talking about the OBVIOUS flawed luminance contrast that we got along with the new color timing.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

It actually means that in all likelihood his TV is already properly calibrated. On a properly calibrated set it's extremely easy to notice a presentation that has an "off" color issue (which Fellowship EE absolutely has,) it's much harder if not impossible to do so on a set that's torched or improperly calibrated.

Readjusting your set for one particular title is not a good idea. If you readjust your set to de-emphasize green in an attempt to reduce the green bias in Fellowship's EE BD BD you will absolutely affect other titles if you watch them with the same settings. You'd have to create a separate setting for use exclusively with the Fellowship EE BD, which is kind of a waste of time.

All I'm saying is that many others have said an extremely slight adjustment eliminated the "tint" issue while maintaining balance for all other content.

I myself didn't have to do so. On my screen the image has perfect blue skies, immaculate whites, and fantastic greens. I didn't have to do anything. I was scrutinizing pretty hard while watching because of the insane amount of debate taking place on the issue. The only thing I noticed was a fractionally "shady" quality to a very few very short scenes that total less than 5 minutes of runtime.

My TV is pretty solidly calibrated as well. I have a lot of my roommates friends ask me to come and calibrate their sets after seeing mine in action.