Avengers: Infinity War (2018)

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523Bluray

Did the audience care when Missy came back in Doctor Who The Magician's Apprentice/The Witch's Familiar without an explanation as to how she avoided her death? Or in Hot Fuzz when Nicholas Angel's partner Danny was seemingly shot by the old man from the neighborhood watch only to reveal he was somehow still alive at the end of the film?

Not everything needs to be explained. The audience can either use their imagination or if they really want look up - in the case of Coulson - look up Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. to find out how he was resurrected.

In the finale of Doctor Who she transported out without being vaporised, it's pretty clear how she escaped because her 'death' wasn't the same of the other who were killed by the Cybermen, the clues were there in the episode, unlike in Avengers. And honestly, hasn't the ratings gone down in Doctor Who since then, I know I stopped watching after The Magician's Apprentice.

And Hot Fuzz is a parody, taking the mick out of characters miraculously surviving death in the end. The scene is even played as a joke with Angel taking flowers seemingly to his grave for him to pop back up. But it's not entirely implausible he got medical help, if you're that desperate for and explanation.

As for having to read up on TV show to understand the movie. Your audience shouldn't have to do homework to understand plot points. You should have to penalise them for not watching a three season TV show, Hot Fuzz and Doctor Who doesn't penalise the audience for not watching other parts of media, or reading novels or something.

And you didn't tell me why it's important for him to come back? I can't see what use he has against Thanos.

[Dalekbuster523Bluray]

Originally Posted by Foggy

In the finale of Doctor Who she transported out without being vaporised, it's pretty clear how she escaped because her 'death' wasn't the same of the other who were killed by the Cybermen, the clues were there in the episode, unlike in Avengers.

Most of the audience won't have noticed the difference in special effects though. That's more of a tiny thing noticed by Whovians such as myself and eagle-eyed viewers. Majority of the audience would have been wondering 'But how the-?' when she appeared again in The Magician's Apprentice.

And honestly, hasn't the ratings gone down in Doctor Who since then, I know I stopped watching after The Magician's Apprentice.

Nope, people's viewing habits have just changed.

And Hot Fuzz is a parody, taking the mick out of characters miraculously surviving death in the end. The scene is even played as a joke with Angel taking flowers seemingly to his grave for him to pop back up. But it's not entirely implausible he got medical help, if you're that desperate for and explanation.

Whilst Hot Fuzz being a parody is true, I don't agree that the final scene is a joke. It's clear to me that we as the audience are supposed to believe Danny is dead before it is revealed it's his mother's grave. It's one of the dramatic moments in the movie played on the emotion of visiting a grave presumed to be of Danny. I didn't laugh during that scene, I felt somewhat relieved when Danny turned up to be alive.

As for having to read up on TV show to understand the movie. Your audience shouldn't have to do homework to understand plot points. You should have to penalise them for not watching a three season TV show, Hot Fuzz and Doctor Who doesn't penalise the audience for not watching other parts of media, or reading novels or something.

Doctor Who can't because it would be against the Charter. Hot Fuzz requires the audience to be aware of the tropes of buddy cop movies.

The MCU already relies on audiences to have watched their films and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is not only free to watch (at least in the UK it is, I assume by the way I've seen Americans talk online that ABC is a free channel in the U.S.) but a part of it. I honestly don't believe Coulson's resurrection is all that important anyway, it's more one of the Avengers finding out he is alive. Audiences aren't stupid, they can make up their own theory or watch something to find out how he survives.

And you didn't tell me why it's important for him to come back? .

Because Phil Coulson is awesome and there's great dramatic potential in how Iron Man or whoever facially reacts to seeing Coulson alive fighting the good fight against Thanos. The dialogue isn't where the emotion would come from in this sense, it would be from the facial expressions of the actors.

[Sylentwolf]

I'm not sure if anyone, or a few, have wondered what's in stored for 'Infinity War' and 'Untitled Avengers 4' storylines. When it was first announced as "Infinity Wars Parts 1 & 2," my first theory was...

'Infinity War Part 1' -

[Show spoiler]We see in some similar form or fashion Tony Stark's worst nightmare come to life, after Thanos acquires all of the "Infinity Stones," he prevails and destroys all the Avengers, only to be unaware of one lonesome character who may take matters into her own hands

'Infinity War Part 2' -

[Show spoiler]We see

[Show spoiler]Nebula

take matters into her own hands and uses the stolen "Time Stone," harnesses it's energy with the help of maybe one Avenger (Tony Stark / Doctor Strange) to travel back in time to save the Avengers and help them prevail over Thanos before he wreaks havoc on the Avengers again

[Show spoiler](in Nebula's eyes she is the only one who remembers the past time line; Nebula is the Wolverine in this Days-of-Future-Past-esque film)

Nevertheless, even with the confirmed announcement that 'Avengers 3' (Infinity War) and 'Avengers 4' will have their own separate "sub-titles," I still believe that my theory, generally speaking, may still play out. But I guess that would be just too predicable and straight forward. Wasn't 'Civil War' just playing on the ideas of various comic books, surrounded by various characters within a story that was under a much "lighter tone" within the film? I love Marvel, just as much as DC, and some films that they have produced, and I don't want to start a DC/Marvel argument in any way, but the dynamics of the characters in 'Civil War' were done very well and I liked the flashbacks of various characters within the film. The film was much more "grounded" in that aspect of story writing and I like almost every minute of it. This is why I find 'Civil War' to be the most re-watchable comic book movie of this year; However, this is all IMHO.

[Dalekbuster523Bluray]

Originally Posted by Sylentwolf

I'm not sure if anyone, or a few, have wondered what's in stored for 'Infinity War' and 'Untitled Avengers 4' storylines. When it was first announced as "Infinity Wars Parts 1 & 2," my first theory was...

'Infinity War Part 1' -

[Show spoiler]We see in some similar form or fashion Tony Stark's worst nightmare come to life, after Thanos acquires all of the "Infinity Stones," he prevails and destroys all the Avengers, only to be unaware of one lonesome character who may take matters into her own hands

'Infinity War Part 2' -

[Show spoiler]We see

[Show spoiler]Nebula

take matters into her own hands and uses the stolen "Time Stone," harnesses it's energy with the help of maybe one Avenger (Tony Stark / Doctor Strange) to travel back in time to save the Avengers and help them prevail over Thanos before he wreaks havoc on the Avengers again

[Show spoiler](in Nebula's eyes she is the only one who remembers the past time line; Nebula is the Wolverine in this Days-of-Future-Past-esque film)

Nevertheless, even with the confirmed announcement that 'Avengers 3' (Infinity War) and 'Avengers 4' will have their own separate "sub-titles," I still believe that my theory, generally speaking, may still play out. But I guess that would be just too predicable and straight forward. Wasn't 'Civil War' just playing on the ideas of various comic books, surrounded by various characters within a story that was under a much "lighter tone" within the film? I love Marvel, just as much as DC, and some films that they have produced, and I don't want to start a DC/Marvel argument in any way, but the dynamics of the characters in 'Civil War' were done very well and I liked the flashbacks of various characters within the film. The film was much more "grounded" in that aspect of story writing and I like almost every minute of it. This is why I find 'Civil War' to be the most re-watchable comic book movie of this year; However, this is all IMHO.

I don't think it sounds predictable at all. Nebula is the last person I would expect to be the protagonist of the second Infinity War film but it's not so much a stretch that it would be unbelievable or detrimental to her character.

I'd love to see Nebula as the hero of the hour. Karen Gillan is an amazing actor (one of the best female British actors around in my opinion) and Nebula is such a complex character that she would make an interesting primary protagonist. She'll probably be a protagonist in Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2 so perhaps GOTG could be acting as a backdoor pilot on whether an Avengers film with Nebula as the lead could work?

I think it would still be possible with the standalone aspect the two films are said to have also. The first one as we know is Infinity War, so the story of the second film would probably be something like 'Avengers: Stone of Time'.

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by Foggy

That just massively undermined the entire point of his death in the first film though without any consequence or care. Plus it doesn't even explain how he survived death, he got stabbed through the back, it's pretty definitive. If they wanted to bring his back into the films, they would have brought him back, but they haven't and the boat has passed.

Sure its a weak ass way, but its at least addressed, and quickly.

[ONE_DAY_AS_A_LION]

Is this theory still floating around about infinity stones spelling out THANOS



If so, maybe H could equal Hela from Thor Ragnarok
and N for the Doctor Strange Necklace

[Dreamliner330]

YouTube

[WilsonBros]

Originally Posted by Dalekbuster523Bluray

Whilst Hot Fuzz being a parody is true, I don't agree that the final scene is a joke. It's clear to me that we as the audience are supposed to believe Danny is dead before it is revealed it's his mother's grave. It's one of the dramatic moments in the movie played on the emotion of visiting a grave presumed to be of Danny. I didn't laugh during that scene, I felt somewhat relieved when Danny turned up to be alive.

You're right. It was a moment intended to throw the audience, going from disbelief that he might have died, but becoming a moment of closure for his family - no laughs intended. Lethal weapon has such a penultimate scene, and this was an homage by Edgar. I was in Hot Fuzz (back when it was still entitled "Hott Fuzz") as one of Tim Daltons' butcher/towtruck-driving henchmen, and the scripted graveyard ending read without humour.

[karlpilkington4PM]

interview with one of the Russo brothers

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...-a7217681.html

partial quotes

"At the end of Civil War, characters are split and there's a whole new generation of superheros being trained up. What is the state of the Avengers at the start of Infinity War?

There's a writing adage that says “write yourself into a corner.” My brother and I have always loved that adage. That was one of our favourite things about Civil War - that it ended in a difficult place where it’s hard to imagine what the road forward exactly is for both Tony Stark, Steve Rodgers and these two sides that have suffered the consequences of this division. On a storytelling level, it is a very difficult place and yes, that is very much the condition of the world as we move forward after Civil War. This very much sets the stage for where Infinity War begins - it’s a place of a strong divide.

Will some of the tensions have been resolved when we next meet those characters?

We believe things that are important and complex for a character to go through should be seen on camera. The divisions that happened at the end of Civil War were so deep they’re not the kind of things you can resolve or move through off camera; they’re the kind of things you have to directly deal with in the storytelling.That's our philosophical approach to how we handle those things.

There’s a hint that some stories could be coming to an end. Could Infinity War be the swan song for certain characters?

Without getting too specific with the surprises that the movies hold, we very much think of these [next two Avengers films] as a culmination of everything that's happened in the MCU. And in some respects, they’re going to be the end of some things and the beginnings of certain things. And there’s a big catharsis that happens in these movies in terms of what the MCU is and how it is formed."

there's a question about the MCU and the DCEU that I'm going to refrain from sharing here because the BvS thread already has a "lively" and "meaningful" discussion on the subject at the moment.

[Arawn]

Interesting how they spelled it "Rodgers"

[karlpilkington4PM]

Originally Posted by Arawn

Interesting how they spelled it "Rodgers"

ha ha, is it, though? could it not be a typo?

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner330

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_v76eV55B8

mate FB'd me this the other day...still hilarious

'tell him to send a Raven...'

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by karlpilkington4PM

interview with one of the Russo brothers

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...-a7217681.html

partial quotes

"At the end of Civil War, characters are split and there's a whole new generation of superheros being trained up. What is the state of the Avengers at the start of Infinity War?

There's a writing adage that says “write yourself into a corner.” My brother and I have always loved that adage. That was one of our favourite things about Civil War - that it ended in a difficult place where it’s hard to imagine what the road forward exactly is for both Tony Stark, Steve Rodgers and these two sides that have suffered the consequences of this division. On a storytelling level, it is a very difficult place and yes, that is very much the condition of the world as we move forward after Civil War. This very much sets the stage for where Infinity War begins - it’s a place of a strong divide.

Will some of the tensions have been resolved when we next meet those characters?

We believe things that are important and complex for a character to go through should be seen on camera. The divisions that happened at the end of Civil War were so deep they’re not the kind of things you can resolve or move through off camera; they’re the kind of things you have to directly deal with in the storytelling.That's our philosophical approach to how we handle those things.

There’s a hint that some stories could be coming to an end. Could Infinity War be the swan song for certain characters?

Without getting too specific with the surprises that the movies hold, we very much think of these [next two Avengers films] as a culmination of everything that's happened in the MCU. And in some respects, they’re going to be the end of some things and the beginnings of certain things. And there’s a big catharsis that happens in these movies in terms of what the MCU is and how it is formed."

there's a question about the MCU and the DCEU that I'm going to refrain from sharing here because the BvS thread already has a "lively" and "meaningful" discussion on the subject at the moment.

hmmm....VERY interesting

[pabloccb]

Some characters i hope leave before/afer Infinity War.

- War Machine: The worst MCU character. The boring and bland version of Iron Man. Falcon is superior and flies too.

- Vision. He was interesting at first. But he did nothing in Civil War and i find his innocence annoying.

- Hulk. I hope there isn't a Banner-Black Widow reunion during Infinity War. I liked him a lot in Avengers movie though.

- Iron Man.

[Bolty]

So the most expensive actor, the character they can't do a solo movie with, a character who is an exact "power clone" of IM and the character with the infinity stone in his head?

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by pabloccb

Some characters i hope leave before/afer Infinity War.

- War Machine: The worst MCU character. The boring and bland version of Iron Man. Falcon is superior and flies too.

- Vision. He was interesting at first. But he did nothing in Civil War and i find his innocence annoying.

- Hulk. I hope there isn't a Banner-Black Widow reunion during Infinity War. I liked him a lot in Avengers movie though.

- Iron Man.

I'd expect after the second War the team will be:

The Winter Soldier as Captain America
The Falcon
Scarlet Witch
The Vision
Ant-Man
Spider-Man
Black Panther
Dr. Strange
_________________questionable below
Black Widow
Hawkeye
The Hulk

Rhodey will retire or the actor will just be too damn old.
Iron Man/RDJ will either retire or pass it to a new actor or person
They can knock out the new actor/diver
Thor will disappear.....new actor??
Captain America will move on to other projects....Steve gets resurrected and recast?

I cant see all these actors remaining in these roles in 2022.

[Hellraiserfan]

Originally Posted by pabloccb

Some characters i hope leave before/afer Infinity War.


- Vision. He was interesting at first. But he did nothing in Civil War and i find his innocence annoying.

- Hulk. I hope there isn't a Banner-Black Widow reunion during Infinity War. I liked him a lot in Avengers movie though.

I have a good feeling the Russo Brothers won't be stupid and will drop Whedon's lame back and forth Banner had with Natasha.

As for Vision, I would be pissed if they get rid of him so soon. His innocence is something that he leaves behind over time. He's still learning what it's like to be alive and having human like emotions.

Originally Posted by Batmon77

Captain America will move on to other projects....Steve gets resurrected and recast?

Evans has said in past interviews he loves playing this character and would love to keep playing Cap. He wants to focus more on directing than acting now but says he would gladly come back for Cap America roles. I don't see him going away just yet.

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by Hellraiserfan

I have a good feeling the Russo Brothers won't be stupid and will drop Whedon's lame back and forth Banner had with Natasha.

As for Vision, I would be pissed if they get rid of him so soon. His innocence is something that he leaves behind over time. He's still learning what it's like to be alive and having human like emotions.

Im a Vision fan. They havent really released him yet.
Like Hawkeye, he needs a big moment.
Thor states that the Vision+Gem is at the Center of whatever is upcoming.

But I'd imagine he might get "remixed" after the Gem gets ripped from him.

The source material doesnt have the Gem as his power source or needing Asgardian magic for creation.

So what happens when Thanos de-Gems his ass?

[Hellraiserfan]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

Im a Vision fan. They havent really released him yet.
Like Hawkeye, he needs a big moment.
Thor states that the Vision+Gem is at the Center of whatever is upcoming.

But I'd imagine he might get "remixed" after the Gem gets ripped from him.

The source material doesnt have the Gem as his power source or needing Asgardian magic for creation.

So what happens when Thanos de-Gems his ass?

That's what I'm worried about because in the comics he had that solar jewel or whatever. Thanos needs that gem and if he rips it out Vision is kind of screwed as far as we know.

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by Hellraiserfan

That's what I'm worried about because in the comics he had that solar jewel or whatever. Thanos needs that gem and if he rips it out Vision is kind of screwed as far as we know.

They could just have him "die" and whomever "resets" the universe brings him back w/out the jewel along w/ Quicksilver.