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Old 09-29-2014, 08:47 AM   #1121
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I didn't have any problem understanding The Exorcist or Alien. I'm lucky in that my parents didn't treat me like a baby and let me see the world and think for myself. Don't treat children like they're stupid and incapable of understanding and they might just surprise you.

Thank you for the condescending, juvenile, and judgmental attitude though. I'm sure that works out well for you.
The truth is, if it did damage your mind, you'd be the last person to know...
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Old 09-29-2014, 08:50 AM   #1122
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The truth is, if it did damage your mind, you'd be the last person to know...
And how do you know that being shielded didn't affect you negatively?
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Old 09-29-2014, 08:52 AM   #1123
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Old 09-29-2014, 09:00 AM   #1124
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I didn't have any problem understanding The Exorcist or Alien. I'm lucky in that my parents didn't treat me like a baby and let me see the world and think for myself. Don't treat children like they're stupid and incapable of understanding and they might just surprise you.

Thank you for the condescending, juvenile, and judgmental attitude though. I'm sure that works out well for you.
So for you there are no boundaries what to show young children age 3 years old? Will you show them hardcore porn and explain them those people are acting as well in a movie? Maybe show them the beheading videos of ISIS as it will broaden their 3 year old views on world politics.

I'm not being condescending, my parents were very liberal and did not "shield" me in any way, as a matter of fact they had no trouble with me watching all the horror movies you mentioned, but they let me do so from the age of 12 (which is arguably young as well, but I wont go on boasting and showing off how it didn't effect me; of course those movies had an effect, denying so would be stupid). What was I watching before that? Gee, I guess the stuff you normally watch and is targeted for that age group: cartoons, animation, tv shows. And it's not like I went through the entire horror catalogue at age 12, it took me well into my teens before I saw most common horror movies as I tend to watch a lot of other stuff as well.

I'm no fan of censorship, ratings but I have the common sense to understand that showing graphic horror movies to very young children is downright unresponsible and juvenile behavior, especially in those early growing years when they are still very cognitive and learning and forming their personalities.

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I had a friend who's parents wouldn't even let him watch Batman (1989) when we were around 9 years old because he wasn't allowed to watch PG-13 movies. Well, when he hit about 13-14 years old, he started watching really hardcore violent movies and porn, listened to death metal, and all he would talk about were violence, sex, etc. and he was like that for a few years. Certainly all teenagers go through a phase, but his was clearly due to being very shielded as a child watching childish things when he wasn't a child intellectually. He was a very smart person in school. He finally kind of broke out of it, but for a couple of years he was miserable to be around. Contrast this with me and I didn't really have much to rebel against or feel angry about because I wasn't shielded. I never really went through much of a phase and turned out to be what my friends would consider a pretty rational and stable individual.
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Old 09-29-2014, 09:14 AM   #1126
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So for you there are no boundaries what to show young children age 3 years old? Will you show them hardcore porn and explain them those people are acting as well in a movie? Maybe show them the beheading videos of ISIS as it will broaden their 3 year old views on world politics.
If you can't discuss the subject rationally, then don't bother trying. Clearly no one was talking about showing a three year-old real acts of horrific violence or pornography.

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I'm not being condescending, my parents were very liberal and did not "shield" me in any way, as a matter of fact they had no trouble with me watching all the horror movies you mentioned, but they let me do so from the age of 12. What was I watching before that? Gee, I guess the stuff you normally watch and is targeted for that age group: cartoons, animation, tv shows.
So because it's normal, that makes it okay? Any deviation from the status quo is considered negative?

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I'm no fan of censorship, ratings but I have the common sense to understand that showing graphic horror movies to very young children is downright unresponsible and juvenile behavior, especially in those early growing years when they are still very cognitive and learning and forming their personalities.
Nope, not judgmental or condescending at all.
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If you can't discuss the subject rationally, then don't bother trying. Clearly no one was talking about showing a three year-old real acts of horrific violence or pornography.
You really believe at that age that can tell the difference? Were you some kind of wunderkind at the age of 3 that you could place all these acts in their context? Again, showing explicit content to children age 3 is somehow rational behavior in your opinion?

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So because it's normal, that makes it okay? Any deviation from the status quo is considered negative?
Why is it normal? Why would the status quo in this case have to be rebelled against? What are you saying? That watching explicit content at an early age will somehow prepare you better in life and have no negative impact whatsoever on your own thinking patterns and values?

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Nope, not judgmental or condescending at all.
Coming from the guy who was an adult at age three and who didn't experience anything watching movies except for 'fascination'. Give me a break LOL.
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You really believe at that age that can tell the difference? Were you some kind of wunderkind at the age of 3 that you could place all these acts in their context?
Between a girl spinning her head around 360 degrees and spitting pea soup or a grainy real video of someone being beheaded? Yes, I'm pretty certain, especially in this day and age, that a young child could tell the difference.

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Why is it normal? Why would the status quo in this case have to be rebelled against? What are you saying? That watching explicit content at an early age will somehow prepare you better in life and have no negative impact whatsoever on your own thinking patterns and values?
Yes.

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Coming from the guy who was an adult at age three and who didn't experience anything watching movies except for 'fascination'. LOL.
I will be retiring from this conversation since you're more content to insult and judge than to openly and intelligently discuss a topic. Have a good day.
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Between a girl spinning her head around 360 degrees and spitting pea soup or a grainy real video of someone being beheaded? Yes, I'm pretty certain, especially in this day and age, that a young child could tell the difference.
How about a girl shoving a crucifix in her bloody vagina? A killer slicing up a girl after she had sex with her boyfriend? ...

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I will be retiring from this conversation since you're more content to insult and judge than to openly and intelligently discuss a topic. Have a good day.
Maybe I need to watch more horror films as they obviously make me more intelligent and life savvy. I have a kindergarten teacher living next to me, I will ask her to start showing horror movies to her class right away, society can still be saved!
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"do you know what she did? Your ****ing daughter?"

regan's mother is, in a way, negligent of her daughter. Burke is hanging around a lot. Burke going up alone to her room. He is also a drunk. Why?

There's a very uncomfortable reality to this film. Whether you believe in the religion bs or not, subconsciously there is an underlying reality to these people living their life that everyone can relate to: Getting old, parental dependence, financial burden, growing up, loss of innocence, parental neglect/divorce, molestation, secrets we keep, lies we tell, sickness/suffering, fear, death and the inevitable horror that is life.
That's why its so powerful.

Even as an atheist, its powerful. For me, its not about religious myths: (god and the devil, demons and angels), but an allegory for the base and disgusting nature of things that happen (behind closed doors, right near us) which we ignore or don't realize. And on a grand scale, the raping of humanity in society by those in power.

Religion / hollywood / mental asylums are huge organizations where molestation/sexual abuse is ripe for picking around every corner. Priests molest kids, directors and producers etc. Molest young and vulnerable talent, doctors do whatever they please with their disorderlies/patients, etc.

Notice all the sexual imagery that regan enacts. It's as if she can only express the horrific secrets she desperately wants to tell through this "possession". The 'twisting of burke's head'. And isn't it telling that we never actually see the event. We just see the aftermath.

Remember when you were young and your parents or grandparents asked you what you did today? Remember the times that you had to lie about what happened because if your parents found out... Well, that's not an option. You lie. You roll your eyes and say you had a cheery old time. Even though you were probably playing with yourself or making out and having sex with that hot or handsome friend of yours. Maybe you were smoking pot or snorting crack cocaine. Or maybe you broke something and you're just biding time so you can have a moment alone again to fix it.

What if your mom was a big time actress? What if your parents got divorced and now your mother is on her own and she's very lucky to have this acting gig which supports the both of you? What if the big time producer, that is responsible for your mother's employment, took you on a walk to a secluded area in wooded park? What if he was a likable fella but then he started touching you too much? What if he started making sexual moves on you and you are scared as to what you should do, so you just go along with it because he's an adult and a very powerful one? This powerful man that has everyone supporting his back, including your mother. Your mother that relies on him for her fame. What would happen if you told your mother about this? The absolute shame and embarrassment you would feel for even allowing it to happen. What if you told and it caused a huge stir and your mother lost her job or the director lost his job? Would he try to hurt or kill you? Would your mother disown you? ... Would anyone believe you?


Here's a rundown of all scenes pertaining to regan and her being a victim of societal and personal molestation:

The first scenes we see of chris (regan's mother) is hearing something but ignoring it and just shooing any investigation into it. It must be "rats".

"burke, take a look at this damn thing will ya, it doesn't make any damn sense." she's focused on her work and nothing else. She doesn't understand what her purpose is in the scene.

(there's also someone holding a sign that says "no arrogant rat military yesmen".)
"hey, come on! We're all concerned with human rights,for god's sake. But the kids who wanna get an education have a right, too! Wait, hold it, don't you understand? It's against your own principles for god's sake! You can't, you cant accomplish anything by shutting kids out of their school. Hold it! Hold it! If you want to effect any change, you have to do it within the system."

parents shut their kids out of education/the truth. You can't accomplish anything by shutting them out. You have to be straightforward with them, especially in their own family. Otherwise, you give them fear and anxiety because they are very perceptive to you holding back the truth from them.

It's ironic that chris is acting this out but in her real life doesn't hold the truth behind these words to her own child.

She walks home and passes by innocent kids running, then the sounds of a motorbike, followed by nuns, and then a priest that admits, "there's not a day in my life where i don't feel like a fraud."
seems like an evolution of: Innocence, followed by growing up (old enough to drive), then compliance within the system (nun), then the unhappiness and recognition of living as a "fraud". Innocence lost.

chris gets an invitation to the white house "5 or 6 people". She is in the middle of power itself, the organization you don't **** with.
Her assistant is eating an apple (temptation).
She sees regan and asks what she did today.
"played a game in the backyard and we had a picnic down by the river." regan talks about seeing a man on a beautiful grey horse.
"what kind? Was it a mare? Gelding?"
"i think it was a gelding... Oh, mom, can't we get a horse?"
a gelding is a castrated horse. Regan wants a horse with its dick cut off.
Add to that: A girl riding a horse can break the hymen (even cause pleasure) and essentially take her virginity.


chris's attention is then taken to work and regan grabs a cookie (further temptation) and runs, wanting attention from her mother, to catch her eye, away from her blindness of the system she's surrounded herself with.

There's definitely a lot of symbolism pointing towards regan losing her innocence and growing up to have sexual feelings.

Regan is making something in her private corner of art. Notice the big bad wolf disguised in clothing with the little girl, goldilocks.
Regan makes a bird and gives it to her mother (sending a message to her). Chris: "i better put him over here to dry though, he's still wet." as regan paces and hits her hands together as if she's thinking of how to proceed.
Chris finds the ouija board.
"hey where'd this come from?"
"i found it."
"where?"
"in the closet."
"you've been playing with it."
"yep."
"you know how?"
"i'll show you."
"wait, a minute, you need two."
"no you don't. I do it all the time."


out of the closet, disclosing secrets, revealing answers. There's also all the "he's wet" talk and regan playing with herself.

Regan proceeds to make up someone (cpt. Howdy) that gives the answers to the questions she brings up, as if to deflect herself from giving answers.
"captain howdy, do you think my mom's pretty?"
regan brings up burke and tries to find out if her mother likes him. She's trying to gauge the relationship and why he's coming over.
"you can bring mr. Dennings if you like."
"mr. Dennings?"
"well, you know, its ok."
"well, thank you very much but why on earth would i want to bring burke on your birthday?"
"you like him."
"yea, i like him. Don't you like him?"
"you gonna marry him, aren't you?"
"ohhhhh, god...
"what?"
"... Me marry burke dennings, don't be silly. Of course not. Where'd you ever get an idea like that?"
"but you like him?"
"of course i like him. I like pizzas too, but i'm not gonna marry one."
"you don't like him like daddy?"
"regan i love your daddy. I'll always love your daddy. Burke just comes around here a lot cause... Well, he's lonely, don't got nothing to do."
"well i heard... Differently."
"oh you did? What did you hear?"
"i don't know."
"well, come on..."
"i just thought.."
"well, you didn't think so good."
"how do you know?"
"cause burke and i are just friends. Ok. Really."

is regan looking for a father figure and sees that in burke? Does she wish for that or is she scared he's trying to take her father's place?
It's obvious her father doesn't care for her by not calling on her birthday.
Does regan take to burke more forwardly and openly because she wants this father figure in her life? Does burke prey upon that?

Regan is then in her mother's bed because "my bed was shaking. I can't get to sleep." horniness? Or trauma from a similar moment?

Then there's a statue of the "virgin" mary with a phallic symbol (similar to the nose of the bird regan just made) sticking out of her bloody private area.

regan then gets penetrated, by a needle.
"unroll your fist. Arm up. That wasn't so bad was it?"
"remain perfectly still, breathe normally."
"tell me if you feel a vibration. Regan? Do you feel anything? Can you feel this?"

regan: "i don't feel anything!"
we then hear suggestive rhythmic beating against a couch and the sound of a kid struggling. (coming from the two boys fighting on the couch.)
"put this in your mouth. Keep it there. This tells your temperature. When the red light goes on, that's your temperature." (temperature rising)
"i don't want it!!"
regan is pressed up against a door, she releases into a euphoric floaty high, and collapses.


she apparently tells the doctor to keep his fingers away from her "goddamn ****".

chris thinks regan is sleeping when she's really faking it and aware of what's going on (disturbed). Regan pisses herself, which is a sign of trauma and fear that happens to children in circumstances where they have no control.

Regan's bed shakes as she cries for her mother to make it stop.

"i don't want it!!!!"
*regan is penetrated*
"you ****ing bastard!!!!!"

"regan, can you sit up, scoot over here?
A little more.
Good.
Regan, i'm just gonna move you down on the table. Let me do this. It's ok. See. There we go.
It's just for a short time.
You're doing fine.
Very sticky.
Now regan you're going to feel something a little bit cold and wet.
Ok, now you're going to feel something a little stickier.
Don't move.
Good.
Ok, you're going to feel some pressure here. Now don't move."

(regan is penetrated...)
(blood coming out of her)
*regan moans*
"look up."
*rapid beating as regan moans louder*.



(as she rhythmically and violently beats against the bed she moans and screams)
"please, mother make it stop! Make it stop!! Mother it's burning!!! It's burning!!! Please mother make it stop!!! Make it stop!!! He's trying to kill me!!! Mother!!!! Mother!!!!! "
(man's voice) "keep away!!!! The sow is mine!!!"
"**** me!!! **** me!!!! **** me!!!!"
"stay away from me!!!! Stay away from me!!!!"



therapy/confession time:
"when i touch your forehead, open your eyes. Are you comfortable, regan?"
"yes."
"how old are you?"
"twelve."
"is there someone inside you?"
"sometimes."

"who is it?"
"i don't know."
"is it captain howdy?"
"i don't know."
"if i ask him to tell me, will you let him answer?"
"no."
"why not?"
"i'm afraid."
"if he talks to me i think he'll leave you. do you want him to leave you?"
"yes."

"i'm speaking to the person inside of regan now. If you are there, you too are hypnotized and must answer all my questions. Come forward and answer me now. ... are you the person inside of regan? Who are you?"

*regan grabs his crotch*


"it looks like a type of disorder that's rarely ever seen anymore except in primitive cultures. We call it somnambuliform possession. Quite frankly we really don't know much about it all except that it starts with a conflict or a guilt and it leads to the patient's delusions that his body has been invaded by some alien intelligence, a spirit if you will."

"incidentally, you might ask your daughter if she remembers seeing mr. Dennings in her room that night."
"look he wouldn't have any reason in the world to go up to her room."



regan's voice: "no"
man's voice: "do it."
regan's voice: "please, no!!!"
man's voice: "you *****, do it!!!do it!!!"
regan's voice: "please, no!!!!"
man's voice: "let jesus **** you. Let jesus **** you." 'masturbating with cross' religion is literally raping her.
Man's voice: "lick me!! Lick me!!" 'pushing chris's head into her crotch'
burke's voice: "do you know what she did? Your ****ing daughter?" *her head twisting around just like burke's*
(this is similar to the accusatory outbursts burke denning's would have at the party.)


earlier at the party, burke was going off on certain people, basically showing that he knows their secrets. Was burke trying to protect regan? He's obviously knowledgeable about the evils of these people in high places. Or was burke hypocritically a part of it with his own inner demons of molesting young girls? Or allowing it to happen?
He tries to tell chris something as he leaves the party, but he decides not to. The first insult he throws at the guy regan later speaks to (about "you're going to die up there".): "there seems to be an alien pubic hair in my gin." "i beg your pardon." "never seen it before in my life. Have you?"
burke is suggesting something secretly sexual, like he knows this guy is screwing around. (it's also interesting that he uses the word "alien", just like the doctor later uses to describe what's invading regan.)

i get the impression that burke (the director, like friedkin) is revealing the church's and hollywood's holocaust on the innocence (molesting) of these children.

I'm not sure if burke is her guard dog / guardian angel (as depicted in regan's art that karras looks at) or if he pretends to be but is also a part of the molestation. He is at least part of it in the sense that he knows and isn't saying anything, as all people in the business silently agree on for fear of banishment, retaliation, or loss of their life. These are very powerful people.

Regan literally spells out, "help me" to father karras.

As father merrin walks into the house and chris gives the first indication of who it is, "thank you, father" regan screams. Metaphor for the evils of our ancestors that are passed down to us, further represented by regan's father not giving a shit about her?

Father merrin tells karras not to listen to her, that its the most important thing. As he says this to him, we see chris sitting on a chair knitting, a typical image of a mother who spends her time doing needless chores while ignoring the reality of their children and what they suffer.

When father merrin first walks into regan's room, the first thing said to him, "stick your cock up her ass, you mother****ing worthless ********er!!!!" is that the first expectation when a priest goes into regan's room? A voice calling out what it sees.

Is that lone voice, that encompasses the hidden voices of many, the voice of the victims crying out the atrocities of religion? The climax a battle between victims that are demonized by the organized religion that ties them down and labels them as evil and deceitful because they are speaking uncomfortable truths labeled as blasphemous lies?

Does father karras listen to those cries of the victims and sacrifice himself for it, releasing their truth to the world while sacrificing himself in the process? The victims pointing out his own discretions of how he abandoned his own mother to protect this priesthood, this evil organization? The voice even says, "**** him, karras!!!!" as if telling him not to follow father merrin.

Look at the whole climax as victims, the youth, vs. The old, religion. Father karras is the young reluctantly following in father merrin's footsteps, torn between science (facts) and religion (lies).

All those moments where karras is sitting outside regan's room, torn between helping regan reveal the truth or helping father merrin conceal it and shut her up.

When they are sitting together on those steps both facing opposite directions leading down the staircase from father merrin to karras as if passing on the decision of where the next generation will lead (science or religion), karras asks, "why this girl? Doesn't make sense." father merrin tells him that she's lying basically, that what she (they) are saying is a trick. Father merrin excuses himself for a moment alone where he is quite disturbed and takes his medicine to mask his fear. Karras decides to go in alone with regan and listens closer (literally, with a stethoscope). Notice how he listens to her intently and father merrin comes up behind him as regan looks karras straight in his eyes as if she knows that he now understands the truth. When father merrin says, "what is it?" karras turns around like he's just been caught. Karras is caught between them as she pleads with him and father merrin tells him to get out.
The door closes and silence.
Father merrin walks over and stares at regan. He grabs the phallic bed post then walks to the other end and twists that one slowly as he gets closer to her. He takes his crucifix out and kisses it. Then gets his holy water out. He gets regan wet and grabs her hand as he starts his ritual.
Karras sits downstairs contemplating. Chris asks him if its over? Then asks him, "is she going to die?" he looks at her with certainty and says, "no."
he then goes upstairs.
The old generation, father merrin, is now gone. Limp and dripping, he is finished with his abuse. Regan is on the bed in a daze, like a rape victim who feels nothing anymore. The cycle will continue on through regan and its all because karras went along with it and didn't listen and speak up. He beats father merrin violently, wanting him to return and take responsibility for his evil actions, but its too late. Karras is now in his place and must take responsibility. He recognizes what he has protected and for a moment reflects that by pinning regan down and beating her. Karras is too late to have spoken up. The old generation is gone and the damaged to the young is already done. He beats regan in anger as she inherits the violence conducted through him via the necklace/pendant. As she does this, karras recognizes the total truth of the evil passed on from father merrin through to regan and he is a conductor of that. He grabs for regan like the evil organization he has protected and screams, "no!". He throws himself out the window.
"you want to make a confession?"
karras responds affirmatively with his hand clasping the younger priest's.
"are you sorry for ... All the sins of your past life?"
karras affirms.
But notice that he is symbolically passing on the evil (or the truthful knowledge) he has inherited to the other priest.
Does the truth die with him?

Regan later sees a priestly father and is attracted to him. Recognizes the neck collar. Kisses him. She takes comfort in the symbol of her abusers. The victim is now willing because its all she ever knew of love. Her father was absent and everyone around her was ignorant. The priestly father (the church) is now her father figure.

As for the pendant necklace passed through the generations (complete with symbol of a father holding a child) it represents the evil inherited. Chris tries to give it back to the father (does she recognize it now?) but the father gives it back to her (a sign she's still ignorant to what happened? Especially after saying that regan doesn't remember a thing...).

The detective always seems to miss what really happened. He never quite sees the whole picture, even when suspecting the priests. He tries to get closer to them by conning them via seeing a movie. But you can't bullshit a bullshitter. Wuthering heights is mentioned. That's a story about abusive relationships that constantly reverberates from generation to generation. No end in sight. "evil vs. Evil"



these are my observations on watching the exorcist the second time around (just now) as an observant movie-analyzing adult. The first time around i detected it, but now i can study it closer and its been extremely enlightening.


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Old 09-29-2014, 10:05 AM   #1131
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If I ever have kids I wouldn't let them watch horror movies until they were at least in their early teens.

These movies aren't for kids.

There is a reason why a lot of them are rated R (18 in the U.K.).

It would be the same with video games.

I wouldn't let my kids play games like Dead Space or Resident Evil until they were a certain age as well.

That's not sheltering, it's common sense.

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Old 09-29-2014, 10:17 AM   #1132
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It's funny since this is a subject I keep thinking since I became a father almost a year ago.

My parents let me watch practically everything, excluding porn obviously - I remember watching Alien when I was 4 or 5 years old and the Mad Max movies were amongst my favorites. Strangely enough, they didn't didn't let me watch The Exorcist until I was 7 or 8, despite my harassment.

I always loved horror movies and the fact that I started watching them at a young age didn't affect my development except for my love for movies in general.

Now as a father I want to pass on my love for movies/games to my daughter but I don't want to expose her to horror too soon but no way I restrict her to watch these movies until she is 12... She would be the oddball at school, for sure. Society evolved for good or worst. At 12 kids know more now then we had known at the 80s or 90s at an older age.
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Old 09-29-2014, 10:23 AM   #1133
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I think watching films of any kind, particularly scifi and horror, at a very young age is a very positive thing for a person/child. It opens up their minds to the sharing of imagination, which is what films are. In films, anything is possible.

Watching a horror film can be a very positive experience. Sure, it can be horrifying and the kid can have nightmares. But once they realize the truth, and they will (if they somehow don't already know), that these are just movies and made by people as fiction, they learn that fear is manufactured. They learn probably the most important lesson a person growing up in society can acquire: 'Don't believe everything you see or that you're told.' 'Think for yourself'. This is EXTREMELY beneficial to a human being. It can be the difference between growing up to be an individual or a mindless drone of society that makes decisions based on fear through propaganda/religion and news (especially something like FOX News).

I find that adult cinema at an early age opens up the mind to reality and imagination.


As to actual snuff films like beheadings or rape, of course they shouldn't see that. No one should.
I saw that fuzzy video many years back of a U.S. soldier beheaded by an opposing religious faction. It was extremely disturbing and traumatizing as an adult. I'll never watch another video like that ever again if I can help it. The thing about that video was that it wasn't that easy to see any detail or gore. You can clearly see the head removed from the body but what's disturbing is the fact that its real and that most of humanity is brainwashed by religion to want to do these things. It reminded me of my religious redneck family (and most people in the South) that does the same thing to innocent and helpless "animals".



Cinema is a safe haven to explore dreams and the imagination. The fact that its not real and not announced as such (unlike other manufactured narratives such as the news or the bible) is what makes it intelligent.

If a child is terrified of a fictional film, believing it to be real, imagine the positive revelation when that child finds out its only just a movie. That child will now question everything.
If a child is sheltered and shielded from imaginative fiction and only programmed with things that are taken as true to most of society (news, the bible, Kim Jong Il / propaganda) will that child, growing up, learn to question anything? Will their imagination be limited to the "reality" pulled over their eyes?


From what I've experienced, people that have watched cinema at a very early age tend to be more aware and knowledgeable individuals (sane) unlike the religious nutjobs that were sheltered from films in their developing years and now only live by the teachings of the church that mommy and daddy smothered them with throughout those important early years.
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Old 09-29-2014, 10:37 AM   #1134
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Burke seems pretty cheeky in his earlier scenes and since you don't really know what he was doing in Regan's room in the first place since he had no business up there, it's easy to create a scenario and this one seems pretty plausible. I don't know why your getting so up in arms about it.
Blatty has refuted all these wild theories himself, so...

Plus it's one thing to suggest that Burke was abusing Regan, but what Xen11 posted was just over the top revolting at times. It's also very misinformed and rather bias due to what appears to be a very strong hatred towards religion (which is somewhat understandable but still, his post was too much).
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Old 09-29-2014, 10:42 AM   #1135
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Girl...

I feel like I just read something by David Icke.
Funny you should mention that. The Exorcist is the same thing. A narrative filled with outrageous things (of the demonically possessed floating head-spinning kind) that subversively reveals an underlying truth.

The things David Icke's writes about are truthful things wrapped up in an outrageous narrative filled with lizard aliens. If you criticize that, you have to criticize cinema, because its the same thing: fiction. But its fiction that holds truth in a captivating narrative.

Marvel's The Avengers is the same thing. The Chitauri, an alien species that tries to overtake and enslave Earth, was inspired by Icke's lizard beings.

Now whether Icke truly believes in the allegory he's created is up for debate. But it should be taken as allegory and satire to alert people to the realities of how the world works in relation to the government, politics, society, enslavement, civilizations, and history.

Just like Icke's work, The Avengers uses fiction to alert the audience to question those in authority who clearly only see you as a slave to serve them.
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Old 09-29-2014, 10:50 AM   #1136
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Blatty has refuted all these wild theories himself, so...

Plus it's one thing to suggest that Burke was abusing Regan, but what Xen11 posted was just over the top revolting at times. It's also very misinformed and rather bias due to what appears to be a very strong hatred towards religion (which is somewhat understandable but still, his post was too much).
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I have to wonder what is going through people's heads when they're watching an innocent discussion between a mother and daughter and all they can think about are horse d*cks and breaking in a 12 year old's hymen. I mean, I've read some pretty crazy theories on the film, but Jesus Christ...

Burke was not abusing Regan. The only "person" abusing Regan was the demon. And the absolute last thing Blatty wanted to do was turn people away from the church. That's like on the complete opposite end of the spectrum of what he intended to achieve with both the novel and the film.


It's like that other part where I must have erroneously thought Regan was masturbating with a crucifix while forcing her mother to lick her bloody ****. I mean obviously Regan was secretly stirring raspberry jam with a crucifix to make it "holy raspberry jam" (like "holy water") and really wanted her mother to taste what she was making. It's clear now she was yelling at the raspberry jam, "Let Jesus mix you!! Let Jesus mix you!!"

By her mother's disapproving reaction, I guess she forgot to add the sugar.
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Old 09-29-2014, 10:55 AM   #1137
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The problem is such a young child will not clearly understand what he or she is seeing as those movies have overly adult themes and graphic content. If you don't see the problem with this, then yes, perhaps those movies did have a negative impact on you. Jeez.
So...? If they don't understand, then they won't understand.

Should we shield children from seeing algebra problems because they won't understand?

If everyone was shielded from what they don't understand, then they would never learn anything.
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Old 09-29-2014, 11:15 AM   #1138
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Due to the recent bizarre postings and direction this blog has taken I'd like to review the new film BOX TROLLS...

The new film BOX TROLLS is about poor female hygiene.

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Old 09-29-2014, 11:23 AM   #1139
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I have to wonder what is going through people's heads when they're watching an innocent discussion between a mother and daughter and all they can think about are horse d*cks and breaking in a 12 year old's hymen. I mean, I've read some pretty crazy theories on the film, but Jesus Christ...

Burke was not abusing Regan. The only "person" abusing Regan was the demon. And the absolute last thing Blatty wanted to do was turn people away from the church. That's like on the complete opposite end of the spectrum of what he intended to achieve with both the novel and the film.
All art is open for interpretation. And I've given clear evidence for my view / interpretation of the film. My analysis is even part of an evolution of my viewing of the film. I posted a couple pages before on my first time viewing as an adult and this was my second time. There are clearly questions that I raise up that I don't give a definitive answer to (some I'm not even sure of which side I fall on).

I think any great director/writer/actor (artist) will leave their work open for interpretation and not give a definitive "oh this is what it definitely is".
You mentioned Blatty. Guess what? He's just the writer. There was a director, a producer, numerous actors, set designers, art directors, cinematographers, costume designers, etc. All these artists have their own view on the material they are collaborating to build. Yes, they have a direction, but direction can be, and usually is, vague and open. Actors must take their characters and the world combined with the information given to them and create. Same goes for all positions in that movie-making process.

And the most important part of a film is the view(er). It's unique to everyone. I would just hope that everyone that has an actual view on a film can personally digest it and feel something instead of, "Oh, the director says its like this, so that's it."


Some of you probably remember me from the Halloween Collection board. I posted very detailed explanations and thoughts for my interpretation of Rob Zombie's theatrical cut of Halloween II.
People went apeshit. They started swearing at me. Not one person could give me a personal viewpoint of the film from their perspective. In other words, they couldn't explain what they were seeing. All they did was mention, "Rob Zombie said this." They had no personal interpretation of the film and most of them just outright hated it because they insist its a mess and makes no sense.
Then they go on to say what Rob Zombie said in his commentary for the director's cut. I then told them basically what I said above. I gave them very reasonable and detailed explanations for how I see it. More obscenities emerged as I'm just calmly talking about the film.
I even bring up Rob Zombie quotes on the film that back up what I'm saying and contradict things he later says about it. I again mention producers', actors', directors' unique interpretations while emphasizing viewer personalization.
I mentioned that most people don't understand a lot of films and that's why they just dismiss and hate them. But they then twist my words around to say that I'm saying that "this is absolutely how the film should be interpreted." Even if I said that, that's still no excuse for the outrageous negativity thrown towards me, as if I've offended them by understanding something of which they can't.
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Old 09-29-2014, 11:27 AM   #1140
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So...? If they don't understand, then they won't understand.

Should we shield children from seeing algebra problems because they won't understand?

If everyone was shielded from what they don't understand, then they would never learn anything.
I'm sorry but I have to chuckle at some of the analogies or reasoning made in this thread.

Not being able to solve an algebra problem and not being able to place explicit violent and sexual depictions in their proper context are a world of difference, as is the impact of being confronted by both. The former designed to educate, the latter designed to scare and shock... I can't believe I even have to explain this.

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