Official Denon Owners Thread

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

If that's what you feel, Then just don't use the upmixers. You always ask this (and stuff like this) in the form of trying to make folks somehow feel guilty about using a feature that is built into their receivers the way you form it as a question. Why does this line of questioning sound so familiar from you?

Not trying to make anybody feel 'guilty'. Just sharing info but most importantly learning from owners who have been at this longer than myself

[Mudfrog]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

I did not know there was such thing as rear Atmos. My Denon doesn't have a configuration for those

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You can have four overhead Atmos speakers.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Mudfrog

You can have four overhead Atmos speakers.

Attached to the ceiling, yes. But as rear heights, attached to the back wall?

[Mudfrog]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Attached to the ceiling, yes. But as rear heights, attached to the back wall?

It's not the typical setup but I'm sure it still sounds great. I'll probably have to do the same thing as the wife would freak if I had speaker wire ran across the ceiling.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by Mudfrog

It's not the typical setup but I'm sure it still sounds great. I'll probably have to do the same thing as the wife would freak if I had speaker wire ran across the ceiling.

Right now I have my atmos speakers set up as front heights...Do you think I would be better off switching them to the back wall as read heights instead? And if I do that, what configuration pattern would I choose from my Denon menu?

[evoll]

Rocky I know that you like to bring people into a discussion and than try to pick them apart so my only answer for you is going to be for you to open this link and go to the part where it says Alternative Mounting Options near the bottom. If this does not answer your question then go to some other sites and start reading. My rear height speakers are mounted to the sides high up on the wall directly above the rear surrounds,they are about 1-2 feet behind me to the sides. https://www.svsound.com/blogs/svs/75...to-dolby-atmos

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by evoll

Rocky I know that you like to bring people into a discussion and than try to pick them apart so my only answer for you is going to be for you to open this link and go to the part where it says Alternative Mounting Options near the bottom. If this does not answer your question then go to some other sites and start reading. My rear height speakers are mounted to the sides high up on the wall directly above the rear surrounds,they are about 1-2 feet behind me to the sides. https://www.svsound.com/blogs/svs/75...to-dolby-atmos

Great info. Thanks.

[RockyIII]

Read the info. So rear heights are not officially endorsed by Dolby Atmos but they serve the purpose better than upfiring speakers. But since they are not officially endorsed, what speaker configuration do we select from the Denon menu before calibration?

[solarrdadd]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Read the info. So rear heights are not officially endorsed by Dolby Atmos but they serve the purpose better than upfiring speakers. But since they are not officially endorsed, what speaker configuration do we select from the Denon menu before calibration?

why don't you try changing between the height-ceiling/top options available to you with you receiver and see which sounds best to you. use the same movie that has been reviewed to have a lot of "upper" activity and try it with the various options. you won't hurt anything but you can get a sense of what you like then go with that.

I keep telling you that no one can tell you these things and you must chose for yourself as what sounds good for one is not necessarily good for another. don't make it more complicated than it has to be.

get back to us once you have decided on something and let us know what you think about it and don't ask us should we or what we think about your choice. tell us about your choice and why.

[evoll]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Read the info. So rear heights are not officially endorsed by Dolby Atmos but they serve the purpose better than upfiring speakers. But since they are not officially endorsed, what speaker configuration do we select from the Denon menu before calibration?

I agree with solarrdadd you need to play/mess with diff. things to see what sounds good to you. I tried upfiring atmos speakers (4 pioneer up firing modules) and than the set up I have now. The svs set up I have now sounds a lot better than the upfiring modules with any sounds overhead. I tried the 4 svs sats. first mounted /configed as top middle and rear heights than I tried front/middle and than front/rear and the front/rear (side) placement ended up sounding the best. If you can pick up a dts x demo disk (2015) that really helped config my sound since it allowed me to play only the heights with sound so I could make them sound more balanced. For example when something panned from front to back mine sounded like more sound was coming from the side heights so I had to raise the fronts 1db to sound right. This was after I ran audyssey so you may have to adjust and play with diff. placements for your heights to get it right for your room.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by evoll

I agree with solarrdadd you need to play/mess with diff. things to see what sounds good to you. I tried upfiring atmos speakers (4 pioneer up firing modules) and than the set up I have now. The svs set up I have now sounds a lot better than the upfiring modules with any sounds overhead. I tried the 4 svs sats. first mounted /configed as top middle and rear heights than I tried front/middle and than front/rear and the front/rear (side) placement ended up sounding the best. If you can pick up a dts x demo disk (2015) that really helped config my sound since it allowed me to play only the heights with sound so I could make them sound more balanced. For example when something panned from front to back mine sounded like more sound was coming from the side heights so I had to raise the fronts 1db to sound right. This was after I ran audyssey so you may have to adjust and play with diff. placements for your heights to get it right for your room.

Surely.Right now I have front heights atmos but due to the room dimensions the speakers cannot properly aim at the MLP. I might take them off the front wall and connect them to the back wall

[evoll]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

Surely.Right now I have front heights atmos but due to the room dimensions the speakers cannot properly aim at the MLP. I might take them off the front wall and connect them to the back wall

Try it out but if you can do two more heights for front/back it makes a nice difference in the over head sound. It will also give a more engulfing sound all around you.

[RockyIII]

What is the main difference between selecting Reference or Flat with MultiEQ either on or off?

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[evoll]

Originally Posted by RockyIII

What is the main difference between selecting Reference or Flat with MultiEQ either on or off?

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Contrary to popular belief, a target curve that is flat from 20 Hz to 20 kHz is not always the one that will produce the correct sound. There are several reasons for this including the fact that loudspeakers are much more directional at high frequencies than they are at low frequencies. This means that the balance of direct and room sound is very different at the high and low ends of the frequency spectrum.

The Audyssey Reference target curve setting (also called Movie in some products) makes the appropriate correction at high frequencies to alleviate this problem. A slight roll-off is introduced that restores the balance between direct and reflected sound.

The Audyssey Flat setting (also called Music in some products) uses the MultEQ filters in the same way as the Audyssey curve, but it does not apply a high frequency roll-off. This setting is appropriate for very small or highly treated rooms in which the listener is seated quite close to the loudspeakers. It is also recommended for all rooms when the receiver is in THX processing mode. This allows THX re-equalization to operate exactly as it was intended.

Some manufacturers have decided to implement a Bypass L/R (or Front) setting. This uses the MultEQ filters that were calculated for the entire listening area, but it does not apply any filtering to the front left and right loudspeakers. The average measured response from the front left and right loudspeakers is used as the target curve for the remaining loudspeakers in the system. The subwoofer in this case is equalized to flat as is the case for all the settings described above. This is not a setting recommended by Audyssey.

In some products, there is a Manual EQ setting. This is a traditional parametric equalizer that does not use the MultEQ filters or the Audyssey measurement process at all.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by evoll

Contrary to popular belief, a target curve that is flat from 20 Hz to 20 kHz is not always the one that will produce the correct sound. There are several reasons for this including the fact that loudspeakers are much more directional at high frequencies than they are at low frequencies. This means that the balance of direct and room sound is very different at the high and low ends of the frequency spectrum.

The Audyssey Reference target curve setting (also called Movie in some products) makes the appropriate correction at high frequencies to alleviate this problem. A slight roll-off is introduced that restores the balance between direct and reflected sound.

The Audyssey Flat setting (also called Music in some products) uses the MultEQ filters in the same way as the Audyssey curve, but it does not apply a high frequency roll-off. This setting is appropriate for very small or highly treated rooms in which the listener is seated quite close to the loudspeakers. It is also recommended for all rooms when the receiver is in THX processing mode. This allows THX re-equalization to operate exactly as it was intended.

Some manufacturers have decided to implement a Bypass L/R (or Front) setting. This uses the MultEQ filters that were calculated for the entire listening area, but it does not apply any filtering to the front left and right loudspeakers. The average measured response from the front left and right loudspeakers is used as the target curve for the remaining loudspeakers in the system. The subwoofer in this case is equalized to flat as is the case for all the settings described above. This is not a setting recommended by Audyssey.

In some products, there is a Manual EQ setting. This is a traditional parametric equalizer that does not use the MultEQ filters or the Audyssey measurement process at all.

Thanks for the explanation. But if Flat is recommended for smaller rooms, how do I know which category my room falls into? Also it seems that in reference mode, at higher dbs the receiver becomes more surround- heavy and front and center take the back seat. In flat mode I feel as though no matter what db level I hit, all the speakers maintain their role without one over taking the other...is that correct?

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[evoll]

I am guessing that you have dynamic eq off? That will def push your surrounds more. As for flat vs reference how close do you sit to your front speakers? If you are close than flat may sound better. When I had aj pioneers flat sounded good but when I went to the svs speakers reference sounded better. The svs highs are cleaner sounding so I believe that is why reference sounds good now so speakers can play a role in that. What do you have your crossover settings at? When I had aj pioneers they sounded better at 100hz with the svs I can set them lower. As for the surrounds sounding louder with reference I don't have that problem. Reference and flat sound the same to me with all my speakers but flat takes out a little mid sound so maybe that's why it doesn't sound like the surrounds take over. What are your receiver settings? I have everything off (no dialog enhancer,loudness,night settings etc) and I only have reference to on,again all other sound settings off. Did you change any speaker distances or db levels?

[oldgame]

I'm having trouble on deciding which audyssey setting I like better. I'm going from an Integra to a new Denon 9.2. On the Integra I had audyssey on movie and it sounded great. But the reference on the Denon doesn't sound right so I switched to flat and it sounds alot better. Any idea why?

[evoll]

Read my post above yours, speakers,crossovers and distance can affect what you are hearing.

[oldgame]

Originally Posted by evoll

Read my post above yours, speakers,crossovers and distance can affect what you are hearing.

I understand that. I was just wondering why the audyssey settings would sound different on 2 separate receivers? It must be how the receivers produce the sounds.

[RockyIII]

Originally Posted by evoll

I am guessing that you have dynamic eq off? That will def push your surrounds more. As for flat vs reference how close do you sit to your front speakers? If you are close than flat may sound better. When I had aj pioneers flat sounded good but when I went to the svs speakers reference sounded better. The svs highs are cleaner sounding so I believe that is why reference sounds good now so speakers can play a role in that. What do you have your crossover settings at? When I had aj pioneers they sounded better at 100hz with the svs I can set them lower. As for the surrounds sounding louder with reference I don't have that problem. Reference and flat sound the same to me with all my speakers but flat takes out a little mid sound so maybe that's why it doesn't sound like the surrounds take over. What are your receiver settings? I have everything off (no dialog enhancer,loudness,night settings etc) and I only have reference to on,again all other sound settings off. Did you change any speaker distances or db levels?

I have all speakers set to 'small'. Crossovers are 80Hz for all speakers except for front height speakers which are set at 120.
I use Dynamyc EQ on and off depending on content. It seems that for regular TV programs everything set to 'off" sound less chaotic, but with movies I might use MultiEQ. Sometimes when I deal with content that sounds too low I even engage Dynamic Volume, or when wife is making noise in the kitchen, or when they are mowing the loan outside.
I sit about 11 or 12 feet from front speakers.
Speakers distances and db levels are left as established by Audyssey calibration, but I like to run front heights a little hotter when playing something in Dolby Atmos