Dark Force Entertainment Discussion Thread

[HorrorBlu]

The William J Immerman interview on Primal Rage is... interesting.

The extra says that he "Talks Primal Rage", but whatever movie he's talking about is definitely not that. I don't believe he mentions a title, but he's talking about filming in Canada in 1979.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by HorrorBlu

The William J Immerman interview on Primal Rage is... interesting.

The extra says that he "Talks Primal Rage", but whatever movie he's talking about is definitely not that. I don't believe he mentions a title, but he's talking about filming in Canada in 1979.

It may be Highpoint since it was filmed in 1979, partially in Canada.

[Frightener22]

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[El_Fez]

Is that William Marshall doing the voice over for the trailer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny7q...ature=youtu.be

[CrowKiller]

Originally Posted by Dark Force

Good question Zarak. We are still planning on doing some Dark Force Premiere new movie releases but are still looking for the right ones. Awful lot of low budget digital crap out there these days. If we release something new we want it to be worthy of having the Dark Force name on it.

You should probably worry about keeping your store open first off. Who cares about what movies you aquire or what you do if people can't buy anything to begin with. I know when my movie(s) is/are finished and finalized, I'd never let you distribute them. I'd never sell anything because your store would be closed most the time. Lack of sales won't be from my lack of skill because I won't release anything unless I feel like it will set the world on fire, at least to those I'm trying to appeal to. I'd sell more of my sleaze hustling them in an old folks home, than trying to sell them on your constantly closed store. I guess lucky for you, you got help with distribution. It's amazing how many people (in reality) hate to make money, as ridiculous as that may seem. Sad because I remember when you first started, I wanted to root for the underdog noob, you made that impossible with all the lame shannanegins you pulled off. Hoping you would of gotten better, and in ways you have, but in other ways you haven't. Don't use the excuse that you have to shut things down to add stuff. You're the only one that has that problem. Take all this as constructive criticism.

On another note, I've lost track but I hope Bill is doing ok, at least as well as he can be. Good to see his movies getting out there again and easily available.

[Savage_Blu]

Originally Posted by CrowKiller

You should probably worry about keeping your store open first off. Who cares about what movies you aquire or what you do if people can't buy anything to begin with.

[Show spoiler]I know when my movie(s) is/are finished and finalized, I'd never let you distribute them. I'd never sell anything because your store would be closed most the time. Lack of sales won't be from my lack of skill because I won't release anything unless I feel like it will set the world on fire, at least to those I'm trying to appeal to. I'd sell more of my sleaze hustling them in an old folks home, than trying to sell them on your constantly closed store. I guess lucky for you, you got help with distribution. It's amazing how many people (in reality) hate to make money, as ridiculous as that may seem. Sad because I remember when you first started, I wanted to root for the underdog noob, you made that impossible with all the lame shannanegins you pulled off. Hoping you would of gotten better, and in ways you have, but in other ways you haven't. Don't use the excuse that you have to shut things down to add stuff. You're the only one that has that problem. Take all this as constructive criticism.

On another note, I've lost track but I hope Bill is doing ok, at least as well as he can be. Good to see his movies getting out there again and easily available.

Agreed, one thing I never understood about DF. If the store was open 24/7, one would think there would be a steady revenue stream.

Regarding Bill, I think he is in Seattle with Walt. The last DF live stream, Dave was trying to get him on the phone for a live chat where Dave commented..."from Seattle, the home base of Code Red". Hopefully this is the case.

[Member-222782]

Originally Posted by Savage_Blu

Agreed, one thing I never understood about DF. If the store was open 24/7, one would think there would be a steady revenue stream.

Dave runs DF like a weekend hobby, sort of like Synapse. One of the perks of being independently wealthy

[WillieMLF]

Originally Posted by Savage_Blu

Agreed, one thing I never understood about DF. If the store was open 24/7, one would think there would be a steady revenue stream.

This is pretty good! Steady revenue stream from gems like Butch Camp?

[kraven]

Originally Posted by WillieMLF

This is pretty good! Steady revenue stream from gems like Butch Camp?

Worthy of the Dark Force name!

[Dark Force]

Originally Posted by CrowKiller

You should probably worry about keeping your store open first off. Who cares about what movies you aquire or what you do if people can't buy anything to begin with. I know when my movie(s) is/are finished and finalized, I'd never let you distribute them. I'd never sell anything because your store would be closed most the time. Lack of sales won't be from my lack of skill because I won't release anything unless I feel like it will set the world on fire, at least to those I'm trying to appeal to. I'd sell more of my sleaze hustling them in an old folks home, than trying to sell them on your constantly closed store. I guess lucky for you, you got help with distribution. It's amazing how many people (in reality) hate to make money, as ridiculous as that may seem. Sad because I remember when you first started, I wanted to root for the underdog noob, you made that impossible with all the lame shannanegins you pulled off. Hoping you would of gotten better, and in ways you have, but in other ways you haven't. Don't use the excuse that you have to shut things down to add stuff. You're the only one that has that problem. Take all this as constructive criticism.

On another note, I've lost track but I hope Bill is doing ok, at least as well as he can be. Good to see his movies getting out there again and easily available.

First of all Crow if and when your movies are done I can personally guarantee you will be lucky to get a distributor and if you do you will not make a dime nor will anybody ever hear of them. Dealt with distributors for years when indie movies were shot on film and for millions of dollars. You'll see what lame shennanegins really are. And you should be rooting for the underdog cause that's exactly what you'll be to all of those distributors.

[Dark Force]

Originally Posted by kraven

Worthy of the Dark Force name!

For the record Butch Camp is not a typical Dark Force release and therefore we are not yet sure what we are going to do with it. We had the opportunity to purchase the movie outright for a very good deal so we took it.

[CrowKiller]

Originally Posted by Dark Force

First of all Crow if and when your movies are done I can personally guarantee you will be lucky to get a distributor and if you do you will not make a dime nor will anybody ever hear of them. Dealt with distributors for years when indie movies were shot on film and for millions of dollars. You'll see what lame shennanegins really are. And you should be rooting for the underdog cause that's exactly what you'll be to all of those distributors.

Oh.. I fully understand how brutal it is. Of course it's not going to be my revenue stream. I don't expect to make millions off of it or spend millions. Probably distribute myself, since like I said, basically a hobby. Do a small print run for those that care about hard copies. Honestly, I'd rather people see it more than anything. Im really OCD about my work and if I don't think it will move heads, it won't get released. I've had smaller projects worked on and have spent months on them. Only to just give up on them in fear people think "meh" when seeing them. I've got other much more profitable business ventures I'm working on that are unrelated. I'm also slowly working on an indie game well. My knock toward selling my movie in your store was more about you never having your store open more so than anything. I don't expect to sell it in your store anyway. Plus, I don't think little ol ladies would dig my style. lol

I'm actually plotting ideas for a film festival where I used to live, which are only "films" that are 15 min or less. Grand prize is $50,000, which I was going to use as extra funding. While I thought of a brilliant idea for a movie, racking my brain to think of something crazy that will work in 15 mins and not get me kicked out of the festival.

I got nothing personal against you, so don't take what I say personal. Just some of your business decisions are head scratching is all.

[vortexx]

Originally Posted by CrowKiller

Oh.. I fully understand how brutal it is. Of course it's not going to be my revenue stream. I don't expect to make millions off of it or spend millions. Probably distribute myself, since like I said, basically a hobby. Do a small print run for those that care about hard copies. Honestly, I'd rather people see it more than anything. Im really OCD about my work and if I don't think it will move heads, it won't get released. I've had smaller projects worked on and have spent months on them. Only to just give up on them in fear people think "meh" when seeing them. I've got other much more profitable business ventures I'm working on that are unrelated. I'm also slowly working on an indie game well. My knock toward selling my movie in your store was more about you never having your store open more so than anything. I don't expect to sell it in your store anyway. Plus, I don't think little ol ladies would dig my style. lol

I'm actually plotting ideas for a film festival where I used to live, which are only "films" that are 15 min or less. Grand prize is $50,000, which I was going to use as extra funding. While I thought of a brilliant idea for a movie, racking my brain to think of something crazy that will work in 15 mins and not get me kicked out of the festival.

I got nothing personal against you, so don't take what I say personal. Just some of your business decisions are head scratching is all.

Good luck generating much money with a festival for a prize like that. I've been involved with festivals and profit was very little once you subtract advertising promotion theater rentals etc. You may have a couple of grand profit or you may just break even for the first few years. Meaning no prize money also.

[Dark Force]

Originally Posted by CrowKiller

Oh.. I fully understand how brutal it is. Of course it's not going to be my revenue stream. I don't expect to make millions off of it or spend millions. Probably distribute myself, since like I said, basically a hobby. Do a small print run for those that care about hard copies. Honestly, I'd rather people see it more than anything. Im really OCD about my work and if I don't think it will move heads, it won't get released. I've had smaller projects worked on and have spent months on them. Only to just give up on them in fear people think "meh" when seeing them. I've got other much more profitable business ventures I'm working on that are unrelated. I'm also slowly working on an indie game well. My knock toward selling my movie in your store was more about you never having your store open more so than anything. I don't expect to sell it in your store anyway. Plus, I don't think little ol ladies would dig my style. lol

I'm actually plotting ideas for a film festival where I used to live, which are only "films" that are 15 min or less. Grand prize is $50,000, which I was going to use as extra funding. While I thought of a brilliant idea for a movie, racking my brain to think of something crazy that will work in 15 mins and not get me kicked out of the festival.

I got nothing personal against you, so don't take what I say personal. Just some of your business decisions are head scratching is all.

None taken but vortexx is absolutely right. Those film festivals do not do any good either. These days it's next to impossible to make an indie movie that makes a cent or even gets any attention unlike the days we made movies ten to twenty years ago when there was still a decent market left for them. If and when Dark Force does release a new movie at least we can likely generate some attention to it. The store is shut down when we do a major inventory overhaul which can take several days or even longer. People tend to make big deal about that but its really over nothing. It's not like it's ever shut down for a long time and when it reopens its for the better because there is all new stuff.

[CrowKiller]

Thanks for the tips. Like I said though, try to generate extra money. Not make it a main source. It's also a local one, not like a mayor festival. People get their money it looks like if they win. I'm pretty knowledgeable about filmmaking, but learning to feel my way around festivals and how they work. Also oddly enough one of my specialties is promoting. Looks like they dropped the price of 50,000 to 25,000? Usually they have more information http://www.lafilmprize.com The facebook page still says $50,000.

It also looks like the public decided who wins this year through streaming them. They do it every year and it's only $20 to enter. I havent kept up with this, so I might have some old info if they changed things around.

Also I'm saving money without sacrificing quality. It's also going to be hyper realistic and being written and designed around realistic goals. Definitely not Hollywood level but also nowhere near your average straight to video junk either. Definitely a deep passion of mine, even filming things as a kid, editing video with 2 VCRs. Oh the good ol days. lol I was going to start moving foward this year with filming but 2020 shennageins happened. So I'll aim for next year. Give me time to vision something for the festival as well. Well I'll shut up about this now. Maybe I'll bring it up again when I have something more of substance to show off.

[Dark Force]

Originally Posted by CrowKiller

Thanks for the tips. Like I said though, try to generate extra money. Not make it a main source. It's also a local one, not like a mayor festival. People get their money it looks like if they win. I'm pretty knowledgeable about filmmaking, but learning to feel my way around festivals and how they work. Also oddly enough one of my specialties is promoting. Looks like they dropped the price of 50,000 to 25,000? Usually they have more information http://www.lafilmprize.com The facebook page still says $50,000.

It also looks like the public decided who wins this year through streaming them. They do it every year and it's only $20 to enter. I havent kept up with this, so I might have some old info if they changed things around.

Also I'm saving money without sacrificing quality. It's also going to be hyper realistic and being written and designed around realistic goals. Definitely not Hollywood level but also nowhere near your average straight to video junk either. Definitely a deep passion of mine, even filming things as a kid, editing video with 2 VCRs. Oh the good ol days. lol I was going to start moving foward this year with filming but 2020 shennageins happened. So I'll aim for next year. Give me time to vision something for the festival as well. Well I'll shut up about this now. Maybe I'll bring it up again when I have something more of substance to show off.

Hey Crow, it's General Tom from the Dark Force empire. One of the really cool things about the Dark Force cult releases is they were from a time when indie movies were really special. They're not so special these days. In fact like the great Joe Bob Briggs said anyone that can get their hands on a digital camera is a filmmaker now. And that number 50,000.00 you keep mentioning, the Demon spent more than that cash on a diamond Rolex. The movie business is the toughest business on earth to make it in. But having been involved with over 20 million dollars worth of indie movies, Dark Force can leave you with this very valuable piece of advice. Dream big but don't quit your day job and most importantly, if you wanna make a small fortune with indie movies start out with a large one.

General Tom, reporting from Dark Force

[CrowKiller]

I won't be using a digital camera and like I said, the 50,000/25,000 was only going to HELP, not be the full budget. I found ways to save a decent amount of money without sacrificing quality. I also don't expect to get rich. It's a passion but more a hobby than anything. I'd rather be a part of horror history, than make a single dollar, although money is always nice. In fact how I'm writing this it's so flexable that it could technically never end and might even work better as a series than a movie. My day job will also good enough to help with funding greatly. You got me talking again but I'm too worried to give too many details, at least that would get anyone excited due to having a unique idea (as of now) that I don't want to get stolen. Ultimately though it won't get released if it's not up to my insanely picky standards, at least when it comes to my work. Others that are helping work on it are people looking for an opportunity to take advantage of their particular skills for the first time like effects work, music, etc. Which is cheaper. I'm not trying to hire Tom Savini or Goblin here lol it's also going to be very woman heavy behind the scenes which is important to me. The most expensive things are going to be the equipment and effects work from the looks if it. The way this is going so far anyway.

I'm also juggling game development, although that's a much smaller scale, but oddly enough will probably make much more than the movie will due to being uploaded to various store fronts and being cheap, giving almost instant access to millions, if not a billion or more people at once between the different consoles, PC, and phones. As well as physical copies I can actually make myself, although in limited supply.

I guess with all of this time will tell....

[jjk]

[QUOTE=Dark Force;18244705]Hey Crow, it's General Tom from the Dark Force empire. One of the really cool things about the Dark Force cult releases is they were from a time when indie movies were really special. They're not so special these days. In fact like the great Joe Bob Briggs said anyone that can get their hands on a digital camera is a filmmaker now. And that number 50,000.00 you keep mentioning, the Demon spent more than that cash on a diamond Rolex. The movie business is the toughest business on earth to make it in. But having been involved with over 20 million dollars worth of indie movies, Dark Force can leave you with this very valuable piece of advice. Dream big but don't quit your day job and most importantly, if you wanna make a small fortune with indie movies start out with a large one.


General Tom, tell the Demon to waste less money on bling and invest in adding subtitles to more of your releases and I will buy them.

[rdodolak]

Originally Posted by Dark Force

Hey Crow, it's General Tom from the Dark Force empire. One of the really cool things about the Dark Force cult releases is they were from a time when indie movies were really special. They're not so special these days. In fact like the great Joe Bob Briggs said anyone that can get their hands on a digital camera is a filmmaker now. And that number 50,000.00 you keep mentioning, the Demon spent more than that cash on a diamond Rolex. The movie business is the toughest business on earth to make it in. But having been involved with over 20 million dollars worth of indie movies, Dark Force can leave you with this very valuable piece of advice. Dream big but don't quit your day job and most importantly, if you wanna make a small fortune with indie movies start out with a large one.

General Tom, reporting from Dark Force

General Tom, can you provide any insight into when we may get a tour of the DF warehouse?

[vortexx]

Originally Posted by CrowKiller

I won't be using a digital camera and like I said, the 50,000/25,000 was only going to HELP, not be the full budget. I found ways to save a decent amount of money without sacrificing quality. I also don't expect to get rich. It's a passion but more a hobby than anything. I'd rather be a part of horror history, than make a single dollar, although money is always nice. In fact how I'm writing this it's so flexable that it could technically never end and might even work better as a series than a movie. My day job will also good enough to help with funding greatly. You got me talking again but I'm too worried to give too many details, at least that would get anyone excited due to having a unique idea (as of now) that I don't want to get stolen. Ultimately though it won't get released if it's not up to my insanely picky standards, at least when it comes to my work. Others that are helping work on it are people looking for an opportunity to take advantage of their particular skills for the first time like effects work, music, etc. Which is cheaper. I'm not trying to hire Tom Savini or Goblin here lol it's also going to be very woman heavy behind the scenes which is important to me. The most expensive things are going to be the equipment and effects work from the looks if it. The way this is going so far anyway.

I'm also juggling game development, although that's a much smaller scale, but oddly enough will probably make much more than the movie will due to being uploaded to various store fronts and being cheap, giving almost instant access to millions, if not a billion or more people at once between the different consoles, PC, and phones. As well as physical copies I can actually make myself, although in limited supply.

I guess with all of this time will tell....

If you aren't going to be shooting digital, the most expensive thing will likely be film and processing.