Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread - Page 59 - Blu-ray Forum

Steedeel · 05-26-2016, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by darkknightman

That may be but I am not going to stress out about it. What I would like to see is a unification of all services similar to what Disney Movies Anywhere does. No matter what service you buy the film, it shows up on several other services. So if one service shuts down, your films will remain on other services.

Pipe dream mate. Sounds like you are to become renter? Is that fair presumption?

darkknightman · 05-26-2016, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Steedeel

Pipe dream mate. Sounds like you are to become renter? Is that fair presumption?

No. I have several movies I own digitally because I used all the codes from my blu rays from the start. I have accumulated over 150 movies digitally. I just found myself streaming my films over using the discs. It's not that my way is better, it's just how I prefer to consume my media now.

Steedeel · 05-26-2016, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by darkknightman

No. I have several movies I own digitally because I used all the codes from my blu rays from the start. I have accumulated over 150 movies digitally. I just found myself streaming my films over using the discs. It's not that my way is better, it's just how I prefer to consume my media now.

Shame.

darkknightman · 05-26-2016, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Steedeel

Shame.

Not sure why it is a shame but, okay.

Fiffy · 05-26-2016, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

Here's a few examples, it obviously isn't worded exactly like that.

More importantly, it doesn't mean the same. E.g. Vudu says they may be removed "for a limited time", which is obviously quite different from what you implied before.

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As for as backing it up, that would require removing DRM and the law is unfortunately on the studio's side in that case.

No. You can back up downloaded iTunes movies without removing the DRM. In fact, the second part of the paragraph from the iTunes ToS that you quoted above is:

"As you may not be able to subsequently download certain previously-acquired iTunes Eligible Content, once you download an item of iTunes Eligible Content, it is your responsibility not to lose, destroy, or damage it, and you may want to back it up."

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While certain editions may become rare and expensive, it's highly unusual that a specific title does.

I know plenty of cases.

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Digital content is still in its relative infancy so not a lot of content has been removed yet, but it's foolish to think the majority of content will continue to be available for many decades.

Why? There is in fact very little incentive to remove digital titles, since the cost of keeping them available is almost zero, which is not the case for physical media.

Fiffy · 05-26-2016, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bhampton

People will step in and say well Walmart owns Vudu and it wouldn't make sense for them to take away access. Such people should look at Target's version of this service which disappeared over night.

Yes, but nobody lost any content since Target transferred the accounts to CinemaNow.

Fiffy · 05-26-2016, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Steedeel

But it doesn't even have to be long term. You could lose th right within 5-10 years! At least with discs there are players out there that should allow us to carry on enjoying our Bluray for a good few yards (probably decades)

There could also be a fire or a flood that destroys your Blu-ray collection. Life has risks, but that doesn't mean you have to cower in fear and reject everything new.

Steedeel · 05-26-2016, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiffy

Yes, but nobody lost any content since Target transferred the accounts to CinemaNow.

Yes but that is because there is still a market there for digital films.m what happens if that's not the case? Who is going to take over then?

Steedeel · 05-26-2016, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiffy

There could also be a fire or a flood that destroys your Blu-ray collection. Life has risks, but that doesn't mean you have to cower in fear and reject everything new.

Extreme example. We are talking likelihood. It's far more likely that folk will lose their digital collection.

Fiffy · 05-26-2016, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Steedeel

Extreme example. We are talking likelihood. It's far more likely that folk will lose their digital collection.

I think the likelihood of a fire, burglary, or movers losing a box with my discs is far higher than Apple imploding in the next 5-10 years.

Steedeel · 05-26-2016, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by darkknightman

Not sure why it is a shame but, okay.

It's a shame because you are (IMO) contributing to a mobile only film world in future.

Rocket Richard · 05-26-2016, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiffy

I think the likelihood of a fire, burglary, or movers losing a box with my discs is far higher than Apple imploding in the next 5-10 years.

Ya that comment: movers "losing them" was funny !

Fiffy · 05-26-2016, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rocket Richard

Ya that comment: movers "losing them" was funny !

I didn't mean by it what you probably think.

When I moved to the US years ago, several shipping containers with goods fell overboard when the ship got into a storm in the Atlantic. I basically lost half of my belongings.

Steedeel · 05-26-2016, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rocket Richard

Ya that comment: movers "losing them" was funny !

Really? I don't. Apple are losing the plot as we speak IMO. They are not the dominant force they were. Yes, they are still huge but I can see signs that they are losing their grip on us consumers.

Wrong quote sorry! Was meant for Fiffy. .

Fiffy · 05-26-2016, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Steedeel

Really? I don't. Apple are losing the plot as we speak IMO. They are not the dominant force they were. Yes, they are still huge but I can see signs that they are losing their grip on us consumers.

Sorry, I forgot that they are your arch enemy (they make phones and "smart watches" after all).

Steedeel · 05-26-2016, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiffy

Sorry, I forgot that they are your arch enemy (they make phones and "smart watches" after all).

You are so wrong. I'm writing this on a IPad. I adored Apple of old. They are just a 'me too' company now. Incremental updates are testing people's patience. As for Siri? IMO, weak, very weak.

Cevolution · 05-26-2016, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiffy

There could also be a fire or a flood that destroys your Blu-ray collection.

If you are one of those silly people that don't insure your possessions then I can see how this could be an issue.

ArmyOfDarknessAW · 05-26-2016, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Steedeel

Pleased for you. Looking forward to smartwatch viewing are we? I suppose you will be able to see fine fabrics when watching clips on your wrist?

Haha just saw this. You're off your rocker with the s*** you're saying. I'm by no means strictly advocating digital. Many many times I've reiterated they both have pros and cons. When you look at things rationally instead of slamming you're hands on the table yelling "digital is the devil" you can notice that.

I never once mentioned a watch and youre whole watch philosophy is preposterous. No I wouldn't watch a movie on my watch. I don't watch movies on my phone either (something you will again ignore). However I actually am good with choice. For some crazy reason I realize the world is not all "me, me, me". There are actually people with different ideas on how to watch something.

Also just so you're aware most movies in theaters are digital. You better grab your pocket sign and get to your local theater.

master gandhi · 05-26-2016, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Steedeel

You are so wrong. I'm writing this on a IPad. I adored Apple of old. They are just a 'me too' company now. Incremental updates are testing people's patience. As for Siri? IMO, weak, very weak.

What is their competition doing that's so much better? I'm not exactly defending Apple, though. I like their products, but I agree they aren't as innovative as they once were. It's just that the competition's products aren't that much more innovative either IMO. As for iTunes specifically, they do digital really well. I don't like the idea that some of your purchased iTunes content could someday be removed without compensation, but maybe if that really happened on a large scale, there would be grounds for a class action law suit against them. Now that would be a shame if it came to that. That item in their Ts & Cs seems like a "just in case" and not something devious.

hogger129 · 05-26-2016, 04:16 PM

Trust me guys. Blu-ray is still the way to go.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...w.avsforum.com

Read some of these comparisons, they are really well done. In every one of them, you can see that the online delivery formats lack in quality.

Then add on top of that, they're burdened by DRM which sort of defeats the entire point of having a digital copy. If I can't throw it on a flash drive and watch it on my PS3 or whatever HTPC software player I have, what's the advantage over just buying the Blu-ray or DVD?

05-26-2016, 04:16 PM	#1180
hogger129 Member Member since:Jun 2013	Trust me guys. Blu-ray is still the way to go. https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...w.avsforum.com Read some of these comparisons, they are really well done. In every one of them, you can see that the online delivery formats lack in quality. Then add on top of that, they're burdened by DRM which sort of defeats the entire point of having a digital copy. If I can't throw it on a flash drive and watch it on my PS3 or whatever HTPC software player I have, what's the advantage over just buying the Blu-ray or DVD?

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