Killers of the Flower Moon (2023)

[-JKR-]

Man, I ****ing loved this movie!!

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by -JKR-

Man, I ****ing loved this movie!!

You ain't alone.

[dkelly26666]

As of Sunday, up to 85 million worldwide. (10 day total).

[spanky87]

Another great long-form interview with Scorsese, talks a lot about The Last Waltz here:

Martin Scorsese: 'Killers of the Flower Moon' & Using Music in Film | Apple Music - YouTube

Marty had to carry the Flower Moon press tour on his back and it’s been a treat.

[eledoremassis02]

I would like to see Stirling Harjo either give a crack at this. Mekko is a pretty dark film.

Scorsese clearly has a love for the book and that shows in the film. That said, the book is still about the FBI and not the Osage. I do wish the film mentioned of gave a hint

[Show spoiler]to the FBI's being Hoovers pet project and there was alot of people who saw it as a waste so this case was his shinning moment.

I dont think this is a case of Scorsese pandering or being racist by not trying to be racist. It's one of the few films by a non-native director where the native characters felt like real people. The ending overhead shot was something I have seen in other Films by Native Directors but

[Show spoiler]the pan out showing the drum being the Gynoecium (flowers center) and the people forming the peddles of the flowers poetically wrap into what was said earlier in the film.

" They call it the flower moon when tiny flowers spread over the blackjack hills and the prairies. There are many, so many, it’s as if Wah’ Kon-Tah looked down upon the Earth, smiled, and sprinkled it with sugar candy.."

It's very Kurosawa and said alot without saying it. It tied the Osage to the land in a way most white directors never even thought of because they rather give cliche' speech spelling it out.

[slip220]

Originally Posted by spanky87

Another great long-form interview with Scorsese, talks a lot about The Last Waltz here:

Martin Scorsese: 'Killers of the Flower Moon' & Using Music in Film | Apple Music - YouTube

Marty had to carry the Flower Moon press tour on his back and it’s been a treat.

Marty is such an easy-going and passionate fellow for what it does. It's really sad that we're witnessing the last stage of his career.

He said that one of the inspiration for this movie was The Heiress, great movie and i really need to rewatch that.

[Shin sam]

Saw this at the weekend. Glad to see people enjoyed it. As a massive Scorsese fan I was really disappointed. The performances of DiCaprio and De Nero were like the whole film, flat. The technical issues too. The sound mix was terrible. Little to no FX just loud music and seriously low dialogue throughout. The ADR / audio cheats were poor too. Some sloppy editing in places. Cadence issues. I work in the industry so maybe I'm overly critical but wow. I was expecting more.

[dkelly26666]

Well, I completely disagree with everything in that post, LOL. ^^^

[Dunemoon]

Originally Posted by dkelly26666

As of Sunday, up to 85 million worldwide. (10 day total).

On a $200M budget before promotion

[dkelly26666]

Originally Posted by Dunemoon

On a $200M budget before promotion

This has already been discussed at length, troll. Not wasting any more time on you guys.

[Dunemoon]

Originally Posted by dkelly26666

This has already been discussed at length, troll. Not wasting any more time on you guys.

Name Caller of the Soft Box Office

[McCrutchy]

I felt really lucky to see this as I haven't been able to get to the cinema very often this year. However, I luckily managed to see a Dolby Cinema showing and I can't wait to revisit the film. I have fond memories of seeing The FBI Story (1958) when I was much younger and I was fascinated that it took until 2023 to tell a more in-depth version of the story on screen.

While the length of the film was not an issue for me, I will say that I might have preferred a version less focused on Ernest in particular and more on the other characters and the investigation, but I don't know for sure until I see the film again. DiCaprio's character seemed underdeveloped on first viewing, with Ernest veering between gullible and mentally handicapped, but not much else. I didn't really get what Molly saw in Ernest and I think I would have preferred to see more of the other characters in the town. At a pinch, De Niro was fabulous and the film could have used more of him, instead.

I assume that Scorsese has legislated for a home video release at some point in the next 1-2 years at most, probably from Criterion, so I look forward to revisiting the film by then. It was definitely a powerful and somewhat unique experience, particularly for cinema in 2023.

[cgpublic]

Joe Russo, of the Russo Brothers and Marvel fame, apparently couldn't pass up the opportunity to take a jab on the performance of KOTFM at the box office, as reported by Variety:

Avengers filmmaker Joe Russo has caused quite a stir on social media for posting a response to a recent TikTok featuring Martin Scorsese. The Oscar winner’s daughter, Francesca, posted a TikTok this month in which Scorsese playfully directs his dog, 'Oscar.' Russo responded by posting a video in which he tells Scorsese they share the same muse. The camera pans out to reveal Russo is holding his own dog, whom he jokingly calls 'Box Office.'

"Aw look, he’s got a schnauzer! I love schnauzers. And his name is Oscar. That’s really cute," Russo says in his video replying to the Scorsese TikTok. Russo then addresses his own dog: "Ok come on, Box Office."

Russo’s video is clearly trying to be playful, but it has rubbed many film writers and industry professionals the wrong way, as it seemingly finds Russo jabbing at Scorsese after Scorsese infamously spoke out against Marvel movies several years ago. Scorsese criticized Marvel for putting a stronghold on film exhibition and forcing mid-budget movies and more adult-oriented fare out of the mainstream marketplace.

[Just_Discovered_3D]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

Joe Russo, of the Russo Brothers and Marvel fame, apparently couldn't pass up the opportunity to take a jab on the performance of KOTFM at the box office, as reported by Variety:

Are we sure that's supposed to be a jab? I'm not sure I'd have thought of it being one of Variety hadn't said it was one.

Although Variety pointing out that Scorsese commented about mid-budget movies, and that his massive $200 million budget movie is not doing so well...that seems like the real jab to me.

Frankly, I thought that this was a mid-budget movie, based on its looks. Where did that $200,000,000 go?

[slip220]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

Joe Russo, of the Russo Brothers and Marvel fame, apparently couldn't pass up the opportunity to take a jab on the performance of KOTFM at the box office, as reported by Variety:

Journalism is dead. To amplify this shit is the dumbest thing but they need those clicks to survive

[NeilZ]

Have to be honest, Killers of the Flower Moon was one of my least favorites from the master. Might be my fault for going in with ultra high expectations. It was an interesting story sure but also a bit of pain to sit through, and this despite the amazing cast. Maybe needed some trimming to give it a more reasonable run time.

[cgpublic]

Originally Posted by Just_Discovered_3D

Are we sure that's supposed to be a jab? I'm not sure I'd have thought of it being one of Variety hadn't said it was one.

Only Joe knows for sure, however I'd be very surprised if the entire Marvel team, if not all of Hollywood, didn't feel as if Scorsese was taking a massive dump all over them with his comments specific to CBM and the state of the film industry.

Originally Posted by Just_Discovered_3D

Although Variety pointing out that Scorsese commented about mid-budget movies, and that his massive $200 million budget movie is not doing so well...that seems like the real jab to me.

Originally Posted by slip220

Journalism is dead. To amplify this shit is the dumbest thing but they need those clicks to survive

Here's the thing about Variety, and by extension, Hollywood.

Money isn't the most important aspect of the film industry, it's the only thing.

If you don't understand that, I really don't know what to tell you.

When Scorsese & Co. sat down with Paramount and more or less stated we're rewriting the screenplay to eliminate half of the book and have Leo play an unsympathetic secondary character (in the book), and oh, by the way, we don't see this as a $60M film, we see it as a $200M film (and it goes without saying upwards of $50M to promote), it's kinda like the end of Casino when the FBI shows up at the Tangiers, you know how it's going to end.

Word on the street is Paramount couldn't extract themselves from the financing fast enough, and if you believe for one moment all of traditional Hollywood isn't overjoyed with the fact Apple is taking a bath on this Oscar contender pretender, not only do you not understand Hollywood, you need to brush up on human nature.

[slumcat]

I think the Scorsese Marvel controversy is blown out of proportion. Scorsese is entitled to his opinion, doesn't change anything does it? It's not like he's causing the down turn in box office of superhero films.

I don't think anyone should feel attacked by his comments. I find them at best benign, at worst informed but in no way malignant.

The publicity this story gets is all just to rile up factions on the internet.

[klauswhereareyou]

The co-director of You, Me, and Dupree has spoken, game over Scorsese.

[t-mel]

Scorsese was 100% right about what he said then and he is still right today. He didn't even attack individual filmmakers, and praised a lot of the talent that is on display from the people working on them. But he did criticise the approach the studios take in making and distributing these films and their absolute determination to push out other films from cinemas. Why does Disney force theatres to play a set number of screenings even when there is no demand for it? All this does is mean other films have less of a chance at finding an audience. How many people who have zero interest in watching these films are left with no choice because there aren't many cinemas where they live? If the executives at Disney actually cared about the art form (they don't), they wouldn't pull tactics like this. They want total domination of the industry.

As for the Marvel films themselves, they are riskless. Why do they all end with massive CGI battles, regardless of the "genre" (they are all the same genre)? It's not because all the directors want it, it's because Disney mandates it. Even the supposed "better" ones like Winter Soldier (laughably described as a "political thriller"), Guardians of the Galaxy, and Black Panther end like this. I didn't even finish Guardians because of that ending; I stopped caring.

Ever since the Avengers, they had that obnoxious quip humour as well. It's a one-size-fits-all approach. How do people watch the same film 20 times?

It's very nice to see Disney's current predicaments which are totally self-inflicted. Bob Iger was CEO for a creatively bankrupt time which consisted solely of buying IPs and pumping out lazy franchise films. Now, finally, the wells are starting to run dry.

Originally Posted by cgpublic

Only Joe knows for sure, however I'd be very surprised if the entire Marvel team, if not all of Hollywood, didn't feel as if Scorsese was taking a massive dump all over them with his comments specific to CBM and the state of the film industry.



Here's the thing about Variety, and by extension, Hollywood.

Money isn't the most important aspect of the film industry, it's the only thing.

If you don't understand that, I really don't know what to tell you.

When Scorsese & Co. sat down with Paramount and more or less stated we're rewriting the screenplay to eliminate half of the book and have Leo play an unsympathetic secondary character (in the book), and oh, by the way, we don't see this as a $60M film, we see it as a $200M film (and it goes without saying upwards of $50M to promote), it's kinda like the end of Casino when the FBI shows up at the Tangiers, you know how it's going to end.

Word on the street is Paramount couldn't extract themselves from the financing fast enough, and if you believe for one moment all of traditional Hollywood isn't overjoyed with the fact Apple is taking a bath on this Oscar contender pretender, not only do you not understand Hollywood, you need to brush up on human nature.

Here's why I don't agree with you. While some executives might only care about the money, and sadly that's more common today than in the past, the people making films by and large have a massive love of film. The studios can't make things without them. If the only thing they could make is franchise film no. 345 on a tight leash and that is handed down to them, that's not going to appeal to a lot of them. There is a reason that hardly any famous directors who made a name for themselves before the 2000s haven't worked on these films. Why would they do that when they don't have to?

You can call it a business all you want but it's something made by real people with real passions. You can't compare it to Coke. Do you think anyone working for Coke has a passion for it? Why would studios even care about awards when they don't significantly impact the box office? It's more about prestige and attracting filmmakers.

As for the audiences, they too have some standards, shockingly. You can't just keep making anything forever and expect it to work. They will tire of it. Unlike Coke, you have to try new things eventually, that's why we get some trends that come and go.