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[Matt89]

Laurie being Michael's sister was one of the absolute worst decisions they ever made with this franchise and I'm so glad they retconned that with the new trilogy. It was always dumb as hell and it made Myers way less scary. He's far more frightening when he kills for no reason as opposed to just going after family members in every sequel.

[mikey horror]

Originally Posted by Matt89

Laurie being Michael's sister was one of the absolute worst decisions they ever made with this franchise and I'm so glad they retconned that with the new trilogy. It was always dumb as hell and it made Myers way less scary. He's far more frightening when he kills for no reason as opposed to just going after family members in every sequel.

Agreed. Always hated the sister angle. Giving him a specific motive takes away everything that was ominous about The Shape. One of the single greatest moments of this entire series is in 2018 when he first gets back to Haddonfield. That tracking shot of him literally just going house to house killing random people. That’s exactly what The Shape should have always been. I’m still amazed by James Jude Courtney’s portrayal of The Shape. My God he absolutely nailed that performance. Say what you want about the DGG trilogy, but the one thing they did get one hundred percent perfect was Michael Myers.

[Matt89]

Originally Posted by mikey horror

Agreed. Always hated the sister angle. Giving him a specific motive takes away everything that was ominous about The Shape. One of the single greatest moments of this entire series is in 2018 when he first gets back to Haddonfield. That tracking shot of him literally just going house to house killing random people. That’s exactly what The Shape should have always been. I’m still amazed by James Jude Courtney’s portrayal of The Shape. My God he absolutely nailed that performance. Say what you want about the DGG trilogy, but the one thing they did get one hundred percent perfect was Michael Myers.

100% agree with everything you just said. JJC's portrayal of Myers was one of my absolute favourite things about the new films. For far too long and for too many sequels he just tended to look goofy and really not scary at all (Halloween 4/5/Curse/H20/Resurrection the masks looked mostly terrible - and don't even get me started on the shoulder pads in H4 lmao). They nailed everything with the new films regarding Myers. The way he walked, his mask, his whole vibe and persona, his physical appearance. Just A+ all around.

And while it tends to get a lot of hate, I actually loved Halloween Kills. It's literally just Myers going from house to house killing at random and ngl that's exactly what I wanted in a Halloween sequel. It brought that ominous persona back to Michael Myers that really hadn't been there since the first film (and most of the second, until they mention the brother/sister angle lol). This is The Shape.

[DragonOfTheBlackPool]

Have to disagree with the sister angle. Halloween was never meant to go further than the first movie, to JC it was a one and done. Considering that, the sister angle works fine. Having a sibling that will stop at nothing to end you, and having to live in fear for the rest of your life knowing /wondering when that person will show up…that’s as scary as someone who just randomly kills people. H20 and the 2018 Halloween touched on this in different ways with mixed results.

What ultimately messed it up was all the different directions this franchise was lead to with the sequels..Laurie’s his sister, not related, has a son, a daughter. And then there’s RZ’s abomination which introduces an unnecessary (and a stereotypical and lazy) backstory to Michael which completely shatters any mystique to his motivation.

The best thing about this new trilogy (and it isn’t Ends, that’s for sure), is that it made a lot of money pretty much insuring that there will be more movies made in the future.

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by Matt89

Laurie being Michael's sister was one of the absolute worst decisions they ever made with this franchise and I'm so glad they retconned that with the new trilogy. It was always dumb as hell and it made Myers way less scary. He's far more frightening when he kills for no reason as opposed to just going after family members in every sequel.

But the new trilogy he literally went after the same people for 3 films lol.. he even got tired and Corey was like hey Mike I'll go after the same people as well. If Michael killed at random he would have no reason to stay in Haddonfield or feed into Laurie's ego. Halloween adding the sister for the sequel makes sense because he returned for a reason. For me only two Halloweens exist, the first and second. Michael and Loomis blowing up while Laurie getting her peace was all we really needed.

[storythecorgi]

Originally Posted by DragonOfTheBlackPool

Have to disagree with the sister angle. Halloween was never meant to go further than the first movie, to JC it was a one and done. Considering that, the sister angle works fine. Having a sibling that will stop at nothing to end you, and having to live in fear for the rest of your life knowing /wondering when that person will show up…that’s as scary as someone who just randomly kills people. H20 and the 2018 Halloween touched on this in different ways with mixed results.

What ultimately messed it up was all the different directions this franchise was lead to with the sequels..Laurie’s his sister, not related, has a son, a daughter. And then there’s RZ’s abomination which introduces an unnecessary (and a stereotypical and lazy) backstory to Michael which completely shatters any mystique to his motivation.

The best thing about this new trilogy (and it isn’t Ends, that’s for sure), is that it made a lot of money pretty much insuring that there will be more movies made in the future.

I agree with everything you said. I also enjoy the sibling plot. When I first watched H2 as a kid, I was amazed to find out that Laurie was his sister and made sense to me why he was so obsessed with coming after her.

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by Ant1010

If Michael killed at random he would have no reason to stay in Haddonfield

He seems pretty attached to the place.

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by DR Herbert West

He seems pretty attached to the place.

So instead of Laurie being his sister the “place” is his sister.. it’s all the same, what it isn’t is killing at random if he did that he wouldn’t keep traveling back to the same place over and over for no apparent reason. If the hospital ward was in haddonfield then it would make more sense for him just to continue his spree because he’s already there.. but he literally drove for miles refilled his tank with gas got some snacks and came back for a “reasons” not random.. so yeah I don’t understand he is scarier when he kills at random like the trilogy did because he really never did kill at random outside of the original and the sequel showed us why he did and came back which tied into his story nicely

[steel_breeze]

That WAS the boogeyman.

[Martoto]

[Matt89]

Originally Posted by Ant1010

But the new trilogy he literally went after the same people for 3 films lol.. he even got tired and Corey was like hey Mike I'll go after the same people as well. If Michael killed at random he would have no reason to stay in Haddonfield or feed into Laurie's ego. Halloween adding the sister for the sequel makes sense because he returned for a reason. For me only two Halloweens exist, the first and second. Michael and Loomis blowing up while Laurie getting her peace was all we really needed.

Did we watch the same movies? Lol. He went on an absolute RAMPAGE in Halloween Kills and really did not go after Laurie at all. Same with Halloween Ends.

And Michael kills in Haddonfield bc it's his hometown.

[BobSimms]

Originally Posted by DragonOfTheBlackPool

Halloween was never meant to go further than the first movie, to JC it was a one and done.

John Carpenter and I have so much in common! All these recountings of the various plot points of the sequels sound like bad fan-fiction. Woof

[Matt89]

Originally Posted by DragonOfTheBlackPool

Have to disagree with the sister angle. Halloween was never meant to go further than the first movie, to JC it was a one and done. Considering that, the sister angle works fine. Having a sibling that will stop at nothing to end you, and having to live in fear for the rest of your life knowing /wondering when that person will show up…that’s as scary as someone who just randomly kills people. H20 and the 2018 Halloween touched on this in different ways with mixed results.

What ultimately messed it up was all the different directions this franchise was lead to with the sequels..Laurie’s his sister, not related, has a son, a daughter. And then there’s RZ’s abomination which introduces an unnecessary (and a stereotypical and lazy) backstory to Michael which completely shatters any mystique to his motivation.

The best thing about this new trilogy (and it isn’t Ends, that’s for sure), is that it made a lot of money pretty much insuring that there will be more movies made in the future.

Yeah and the fact that it was never supposed to have a sequel is entirely the point here. Myers going after Laurie bc it's later revealed in the second film that they're siblings completely changes his motivation. It almost retcons the original film bc the original portrayal of Myers was that he was some silent psychopath who kills for absolutely no reason (see: Loomis' monologue about "I met this six year old child..."). That made him feel like an actual serial killer. The second they made him only go after members of his family, it took away that aspect from his character. He went from being a serial killer who kills at random (which was very much something that was part of the public consciousness in the 1970s - Bundy, Gacy, etc.) to just simply having some personal vendetta against members of his family. It dumbed down the character and took the frightening aspect away from it. So essentially if you're not a family member, you're safe lol. Or get out of the way and let him get his family members and you'd survive.

In the original, nobody is safe. He can be anywhere, at any time (which is strongly emphasized at the very end of the first film). That was all thrown out the window the second they made Michael and Laurie siblings.

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by Matt89

Did we watch the same movies? Lol. He went on an absolute RAMPAGE in Halloween Kills and really did not go after Laurie at all. Same with Halloween Ends.

And Michael kills in Haddonfield bc it's his hometown.

I tried to forget kills and ends.. so terrible, hah but yeah he always did his rampage that’s nothing new for any of the films but if he was really going random Laurie would be a nobody, he would have zero interest in dealing with her. That wasn’t the case though, in kills or ends. Does that really make it scary though? Returning to your hometown to kill? It really makes no sense unless he has a reason to go back being so far away. We can all agree Halloween should have been a one and don, but for me and I’m sure many others the sequel made sense and ended there. We can all agree though that the series gives fans all both arguments what they want. So many different films, reboots, requels. It pleases everyone.

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by Ant1010

Returning to your hometown to kill? It really makes no sense unless he has a reason to go back being so far away.

He goes home for the same reason he waits until Halloween.

[King O.A.]

John Carpenter never wanted to do a sequel. He was obviously given a good sum of money and was apparently drunk writing it. I never was a fan of the sister angle.

Not the biggest H2 fan either. The final chase is fun though.

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by DR Herbert West

He goes home for the same reason he waits until Halloween.

But again that takes away from the word “random” if he was so random he wouldn’t just wait until Halloween he would kill any day of the year and he would kill all over the place not just in one town.. nothing is random about Michael’s rampage sister angle or not .. at least the sister angle makes sense kid was crazy went away grew up evil brewing in his own thoughts to return home to finish the job he started. Oppose to kid was crazy went away grew up and went home just to kill in his home town and stalk a girl (Laurie) with no ties other than her just being there.. I like the first one better

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by Ant1010

But again that takes away from the word “random” if he was so random he wouldn’t just wait until Halloween he would kill any day of the year and he would kill all over the place not just in one town.. nothing is random about Michael’s rampage sister angle or not .. at least the sister angle makes sense kid was crazy went away grew up evil brewing in his own thoughts to return home to finish the job he started. Oppose to kid was crazy went away grew up and went home just to kill in his home town and stalk a girl (Laurie) with no ties other than her just being there.. I like the first one better

True, the second option makes him sound like a crazy person.

[Ant1010]

Originally Posted by DR Herbert West

True, the second option makes him sound like a crazy person.

A crazy person with ties to Laurie a random person

[Matt89]

Originally Posted by Ant1010

I tried to forget kills and ends.. so terrible, hah but yeah he always did his rampage that’s nothing new for any of the films but if he was really going random Laurie would be a nobody, he would have zero interest in dealing with her. That wasn’t the case though, in kills or ends. Does that really make it scary though? Returning to your hometown to kill? It really makes no sense unless he has a reason to go back being so far away. We can all agree Halloween should have been a one and don, but for me and I’m sure many others the sequel made sense and ended there. We can all agree though that the series gives fans all both arguments what they want. So many different films, reboots, requels. It pleases everyone.

???

That literally WAS the case in the new films though. Dr. Sartain was the one going after Myers, to the point where he was involved in Myers' escape in order to "see him in the wild" and Myers actually had no interest in going after Laurie until Sartain literally brought him back to her house. A major plot point in the trilogy was Laurie awaiting Michael's return only for him to return to Haddonfield and NOT go after her until HE was brought to HER.

And his previous rampages involved him incessantly going after some member of his family. In Halloween II it was Laurie, 4 and 5 (and part of 6) it was his niece Jamie. Then in H20 it was back to Laurie. Halloween Kills he just goes after everyone in his path. He literally goes from house to house knocking people off.

And again...he goes back to Haddonfield bc it's his hometown, not because Laurie is there.