The Official Dynaudio Speakers Thread

[BigAl87]

Rhett check you pm bud

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by callas01

see what I wrote in your thread. And when I say they are very coherent speakers. Here is what it means...

A coherent speaker is a speaker that is able to present tremendous detail from top to bottom. Meaning: Detail in the highs, clarity in the mids and bass that's textured and tight.

When I was at my dealer to hear the Excites, he told me Dynaudio is the most coherent speakers he has. And he has T+A, Amphion, Wilson Audios, Totems, Dyns, Dalis, Arriel Acoustics, and several others, but he thinks Dyns are the most coherent he has.

He also said, he didn't think the X22 was all that good because it was so small and didn't think it could hang with the Towers until one day he had a guy buy upgrade the X16s to the X32s and when he set it all up he was very impressed with the center channel... and for as small as it is, he thinks in the price range it is one of the best you can get.

Callas,

I have to warn you not to listen to the B.S. from audio dealers. Chances are that he does not even know what coherent really means. There is such a thing called speaker coherency, but I am not sure if Dynaudio Excite speakers are known for being coherent.

I created this thread for you.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/speakers/1...coherency.html

[rded]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Callas,

I have to warn you not to listen to the B.S. from audio dealers. Chances are that he does not even know what coherent really means. There is such a thing called speaker coherency, but I am not sure if Dynaudio Excite speakers are known for being coherent.
I created this thread for you.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/speakers/1...coherency.html

BD,

First of all, why don't you learn more about the speaker company before you start bashing? I bet you haven't even heard Dynaudios in person like most speakers/ gear you recommend. If anything, Dynaudio is at least the equal but most likely superior to Thiel and Vanderstein

First order cross over you say? Check! Dyns have 1st order crossovers.
Althought the "simplest" of all crossovers, Crossing over in the first order is hard to do especially if you don't build your own drivers. Dynaudio builds their own drivers, infect they build the speakers from the ground up! Did you know that Vanderstein used Dyn drivers in the past?

Here are some measurements of the Excite 12 from stereophile:

http://www.stereophile.com/standloud...er/index4.html

Not how flat the response is and how low the off angle of dispersion is. Not coherent? Ok....

This is an excerpt from Channeling Beyond Stereo with Vandersteen and Audio Research

by Dan Sweeney
Fi Magazine, March 1996


" Vandersteen, however, has designed the 2Ce for time coherence in both domains, making it one of the few conventional multi-element loudspeakers with minimal phase shift through the audio band. (Others that approach this ideal are the Spica TC-60 and all of the Thiel, Dynaudio, and Dunlavy speakers). Like the Thiel and Dynaudio speakers, the Vandersteen utilizes a paradoxically complex crossover that still manages to achieve a first order, phase coherent, combined driver output by synthesizing a combined filter function incorporating the total transfer function of the drivers and the electrical network together."

Mind you, the Excites are closer to the bottom of the barrel as far as the Dynaudio heirarchy! And the Theils and Vandersteens you set as examples are close to their top tier.

You should look at the measurements of the confidence C1 and Sapphires then get back to me

[SeanMF]

Well this is my first time in this thread.......

[prerich]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Callas,

I have to warn you not to listen to the B.S. from audio dealers. Chances are that he does not even know what coherent really means. There is such a thing called speaker coherency, but I am not sure if Dynaudio Excite speakers are known for being coherent.

I created this thread for you.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/speakers/1...coherency.html

Now I see why you started that thread!!!! I'm glad you included Thiel in that number of speakers. The very rare Snell Model One (the first Snell speaker) was of this type, so was the Snell Type A series V (very similar to the Duntechs). Kef Uni-Q speakers take a different approach to phase coherency - they place the tweeter in the mid/bass and and achieve time alignment that way (Bag End and Tannoy also do this). The Thiels and Vandy's do it best IMHO.

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by rded

BD,

First of all, why don't you learn more about the speaker company before you start bashing? I bet you haven't even heard Dynaudios in person like most speakers/ gear you recommend. If anything, Dynaudio is at least the equal but most likely superior to Thiel and Vanderstein

First order cross over you say? Check! Dyns have 1st order crossovers.
Althought the "simplest" of all crossovers, Crossing over in the first order is hard to do especially if you don't build your own drivers. Dynaudio builds their own drivers, infect they build the speakers from the ground up! Did you know that Vanderstein used Dyn drivers in the past?

Here are some measurements of the Excite 12 from stereophile:

http://www.stereophile.com/standloud...er/index4.html

Not how flat the response is and how low the off angle of dispersion is. Not coherent? Ok....

This is an excerpt from Channeling Beyond Stereo with Vandersteen and Audio Research

by Dan Sweeney
Fi Magazine, March 1996


" Vandersteen, however, has designed the 2Ce for time coherence in both domains, making it one of the few conventional multi-element loudspeakers with minimal phase shift through the audio band. (Others that approach this ideal are the Spica TC-60 and all of the Thiel, Dynaudio, and Dunlavy speakers). Like the Thiel and Dynaudio speakers, the Vandersteen utilizes a paradoxically complex crossover that still manages to achieve a first order, phase coherent, combined driver output by synthesizing a combined filter function incorporating the total transfer function of the drivers and the electrical network together."

Mind you, the Excites are closer to the bottom of the barrel as far as the Dynaudio heirarchy! And the Theils and Vandersteens you set as examples are close to their top tier.

You should look at the measurements of the confidence C1 and Sapphires then get back to me

Where did you get the idea that I bashed Dynaudio speakers? I did not try to bash them. You are being overly sensitive and defensive. I just wanted to explain that Coherency has a special meaning and some manufacturers pay too much attention to it. Some manufacturers such as Vandersteen and Thiel promote coherency as part of their marketing, but I am not sure if Dynaudio does that. Whether it makes a speaker sound better is a subjective matter.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Rhett,

I'm gonna make a statement that probably isn't going to sit very well you, but I'm getting tired of you minimizing other manufacturers, because they do or have used Dynaudio drivers and ,as such, have to take a back seat to the Dynaudio finished speaker line. You always point out that fact, and you've done it more than once when it comes to my Totem Sttafs.

A speaker isn't built on drivers and crossovers alone...so back off. Sorry Rhett, but you line is getting old.

John

[SeanMF]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Where did you get the idea that I bashed Dynaudio speakers? I did not try to bash them. You are being overly sensitive and defensive. I just wanted to explain that Coherency has a special meaning and some manufacturers pay too much attention to it. Some manufacturers such as Vandersteen and Thiel promote coherency as part of their marketing, but I am not sure if Dynaudio does that. Whether it makes a speaker sound better is a subjective matter.

Now now kids....don't make me split you 2 lovebirds up. Well this being a Dyn thread and all...here is my setup for those of you that don't visit the home theater galleries/threads:

[SeanMF]

Originally Posted by John72953

Rhett,

I'm gonna make a statement that probably isn't going to sit very well you, but I'm getting tired of you minimizing other manufacturers, because they do or have used Dynaudio drivers and ,as such, have to take a back seat to the Dynaudio finished speaker line. You always point out that fact, and you've done it more than once when it comes to my Totem Sttafs.

A speaker isn't built on drivers and crossovers alone...so back off. Sorry Rhett, but you line is getting old.

John

He's relentless John and doesn't much care most of the time. You can only imagine all the texts I get daily from him....

[prerich]

Originally Posted by rded

BD,

First of all, why don't you learn more about the speaker company before you start bashing? I bet you haven't even heard Dynaudios in person like most speakers/ gear you recommend. If anything, Dynaudio is at least the equal but most likely superior to Thiel and Vanderstein

First order cross over you say? Check! Dyns have 1st order crossovers.
Althought the "simplest" of all crossovers, Crossing over in the first order is hard to do especially if you don't build your own drivers. Dynaudio builds their own drivers, infect they build the speakers from the ground up! Did you know that Vanderstein used Dyn drivers in the past?

Here are some measurements of the Excite 12 from stereophile:

http://www.stereophile.com/standloud...er/index4.html

Not how flat the response is and how low the off angle of dispersion is. Not coherent? Ok....

This is an excerpt from Channeling Beyond Stereo with Vandersteen and Audio Research

by Dan Sweeney
Fi Magazine, March 1996


" Vandersteen, however, has designed the 2Ce for time coherence in both domains, making it one of the few conventional multi-element loudspeakers with minimal phase shift through the audio band. (Others that approach this ideal are the Spica TC-60 and all of the Thiel, Dynaudio, and Dunlavy speakers). Like the Thiel and Dynaudio speakers, the Vandersteen utilizes a paradoxically complex crossover that still manages to achieve a first order, phase coherent, combined driver output by synthesizing a combined filter function incorporating the total transfer function of the drivers and the electrical network together."

Mind you, the Excites are closer to the bottom of the barrel as far as the Dynaudio heirarchy! And the Theils and Vandersteens you set as examples are close to their top tier.

You should look at the measurements of the confidence C1 and Sapphires then get back to me

Yes I know the Confidence is also designed this way. I don't think BD was saying that Dynaudio's are not designed to be coherent - but like you stated - the Excites are at the bottom of the rung - the higher you go the more you see in their designs. Even the Snell E and Audio Notes are 1st order but they are not a phase coherent design at all - they are more like gutairs - they use their cabinates for their voicing.

[SeanMF]

Originally Posted by prerich

Yes I know the Confidence is also designed this way. I don't think BD was saying that Dynaudio's are not designed to be coherent - but like you stated - the Excites are at the bottom of the rung - the higher you go the more you see in their designs. Even the Snell E and Audio Notes are 1st order but they are not a phase coherent design at all - they are more like gutairs - they use their cabinates for their voicing.

Hey Rich....don't you have pics of your setup somewhere on this forum? What's new in your world?

[rded]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Callas,

.... but I am not sure if Dynaudio speakers are known for being coherent.

I created this thread for you.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/speakers/1...coherency.html

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Where did you get the idea that I bashed Dynaudio speakers? I did not try to bash them. You are being overly sensitive and defensive. I just wanted to explain that Coherency has a special meaning and some manufacturers pay too much attention to it. Some manufacturers such as Vandersteen and Thiel promote coherency as part of their marketing, but I am not sure if Dynaudio does that. Whether it makes a speaker sound better is a subjective matter.

BD,

I am not being sensitive. I merely wanted to set things straight. Before you make comments that are groundless, make certain of the facts. This is the offcial thread of Dynaudio speakers, I just want the right facts and info to be presented.

As for why Dynaudio doesn't go out and advertise that their speakers are "coherent" is beyond me? But that is why we have well educated dealers and specialty shops to tell us all about the loud speakers/gear they have.

You can post stickies all you want but when a company's literature(Vanderstein) sites parallels to other speaker companies, i.e. Dynaudio, that is real praise to this company. Hence Dynaudio Speakers are COHERENT!!!

'nuff said!

[rded]

Originally Posted by John72953

Rhett,

I'm gonna make a statement that probably isn't going to sit very well you, but I'm getting tired of you minimizing other manufacturers, because they do or have used Dynaudio drivers and ,as such, have to take a back seat to the Dynaudio finished speaker line. You always point out that fact, and you've done it more than once when it comes to my Totem Sttafs.

A speaker isn't built on drivers and crossovers alone...so back off. Sorry Rhett, but you line is getting old.

John

So tell me John, what makes a speaker? Besides, when did I ever say something about your staffs? Recently? WTF! I dare you to thread stalk me and see my history to see if what you say is true!!!!!

[rded]

Originally Posted by prerich

Yes I know the Confidence is also designed this way. I don't think BD was saying that Dynaudio's are not designed to be coherent - but like you stated - the Excites are at the bottom of the rung - the higher you go the more you see in their designs. Even the Snell E and Audio Notes are 1st order but they are not a phase coherent design at all - they are more like gutairs - they use their cabinates for their voicing.

I agree Rich!

[Big Daddy]

Rhett,

I would like to offer my apologies if you feel that I have offended you or bashed your speakers. At the same time, I don't believe it is appropriate for you to attcack me personally or question my knowledge or experience. All I wanted to say is that Coherency is a misunderstood term and I am not sure if Dynaudio Ecite speakers are necessarily known for their time and phase alignment design.

[rded]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Rhett,

I would like to offer my apologies if you feel that I have offended you or bashed your speakers. At the same time, I don't believe it is appropriate for you to attcack me personally or question my knowledge or experience. All I wanted to say is that Coherency is a misunderstood term and I am not sure if Dynaudio Ecite speakers are necessarily known for their time and phase alignment design.

Ok BD! I am sorry too! Peace Yo!!

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by rded

So tell me John, what makes a speaker? Besides, when did I ever say something about your staffs? Recently? WTF! I dare you to thread stalk me and see my history to see if what you say is true!!!!!

There is more to speaker performance than just the components being used and you know better than that.

John

[SeanMF]

Originally Posted by John72953

There is more to speaker performance than just the components being used and you know better than that.

John

Such as....? Seriously though I've got nothing on this one....cabinet design...material....integration....etc....

[rded]

Originally Posted by John72953

There is more to speaker performance than just the components being used and you know better than that.

John

Hi John,

Amen to that! However, Crossover and drivers are more than half the equation already! It doesn't really take extreme engineering to design cabinets, hell, why do you think there are DYI cabinets out there? I know it's getting old but I was merely making a point when BD and I had that discussion earlier.

I am a mere fanboi! Like Sean says, I am an extremist and resilient; a lot of people can't handle that

[rded]

Originally Posted by SeanMF

Such as....? Seriously though I've got nothing on this one....cabinet design...material....integration....etc....

Don't forget spikes

EDIT:

Nothing like me starting a ruckus to get this thread moving, huh?