Star Wars Wars the UOT Strikes Back and OTHER PEZ dispensers

[P@t_Mtl]

I find A New Hope to be a much faster movie then Empire Strikes Back who is much more driven by the story and the characters then back action.

A New Hope goes slow after the first opening minutes and the attack on the Tantative IV. Once on the Death Star it really does not slow up much.

Empire Strikes Back as a main battle at the start but after that it's all character and story with maybe the chase of the Falcon by Vader. I think people just feel it might just feel less slow because the darn story is just great!

[horizonline]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

OK, so maybe I'm just stretching on this one, but...


...what does this have to do with "Star Wars"?

Note how it relates to the quote in the reply? My reply relates to the subjects of being both iconic and the color gold, which is not a form of randomness. People also asked what do metaclorians have to do with Star Wars. It's all relative.

[Jumpman]

I wish I loved Empire as much as the rest of the fanbase.

It's the one Star Wars film that I watch the least.

Upfront, I can acknowledge that it's the best scored, the best production design, the best edited, and the best acted of all the films.

And yet, I tend to find it tedious as a film because of the nature of the plot. Frankly, we don't get a plot resolution until we get thirty minutes into Return of the Jedi.

It has a perfect story and character resolution. But, essentially, it has no plot.

And, I'm one of the few people that don't particular care for Han and Leia in this film or in Return of the Jedi. Frankly, they get in the way of the Vader, Yoda, Ben, and Emperor characters...which have always been far more interesting to me than Han, Leia, and to a lesser extent Luke.

I guess that's why I enjoyed the Prequels a hell of a lot more than the rest of the planet.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

That being said, I never quite and still don't understand the entire fascination with the slave girl outfit. She is not that hot or sexy, well for me anyway. I think a lot of people just have their memories twisted in the last 20 years because of Friends and Jennifer Aniston (another woman I don't find hot or sexy)

Funny, I feel the exact same way about Audrey Hepburn

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

Now now. In all fairness, gold bikini aside, Return of the Jedi is considered the weakest of the OT which may or may not have to do with Kurtz's departure. I don't really have a strong opinion one way or the other on Kurtz's value to the franchise. All I know is the combo of Kurtz, Lucas, and Kershner gave us Empire Strikes Back, so he is okay in my book.

Kurtz was a producer and certainly had some value. As for Kershner - I find him to get a *little* too much credit for being some kind of director-genius. Ive always felt the Empire Strikes to be a little over-rated. Too many SW fans put this fim on a pedestal of sorts and I never knew why. Sure, the revelation about vader being Lukes dad is an epic part of the series. The Hoth battle is cool. Some of the Yoda stuff is cool. But, overall, I dont see why this film gets treated like Citizen kane and the others get pushed so far below it? All of the other original trilogy films have their great moments too. They all have some great battles and memorable characters. And, Just like Empire, they have their negatives too.

The other thing to realize is that if Kershner was such a directorial genius, where is the rest of his work? Why hasnt he emerged as a top film maker over the years? Maybe because he isnt quite so incredibly talented? He did a great job with TESB but that film is no better overall than any of the others.

I still think that *some* people are just so mad at George for stoopid reasons that they pick TESB as their favorite only because George didnt direct it. Oh well.

Originally Posted by Jumpman

I wish I loved Empire as much as the rest of the fanbase.

It's the one Star Wars film that I watch the least.

Upfront, I can acknowledge that it's the best scored, the best production design, the best edited, and the best acted of all the films.

And yet, I tend to find it tedious as a film because of the nature of the plot. Frankly, we don't get a plot resolution until we get thirty minutes into Return of the Jedi.

It has a perfect story and character resolution. But, essentially, it has no plot.

And, I'm one of the few people that don't particular care for Han and Leia in this film or in Return of the Jedi. Frankly, they get in the way of the Vader, Yoda, Ben, and Emperor characters...which have always been far more interesting to me than Han, Leia, and to a lesser extent Luke.

I guess that's why I enjoyed the Prequels a hell of a lot more than the rest of the planet.

Im with you - dont worry what anyone else says. TESB is probably my least favorite SW film. Of course, being the worst SW film is like having the "worst" Lamborghini Gallardo...you are STILL doing just fine. It does get tedious - especially the asteroid chase and landing in the monsters stomach. Some of the Dagobah stuff is a little meh too. There arent any huge battles either, sans Hoth and that ends quick. Oh, and threepio starts going all "Jar Jar" on us too and gets very annoying.

[cjclifford]

Originally Posted by Beast

Considered by who?

A large majority of Star Wars fans. I like RotJ, but it's generally regarded as the weakest link of the OT.

Personally, if I was to rate them, it would be TESB, ANH, then RotJ. But the gap between those movies if I were to score them would be quite small.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Funny, I feel the exact same way about Audrey Hepburn

That's because Audrey was never hot or sexy, Audrey was a one of a kind beauty that we may never see again, quite a difference

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

That's because Audrey was never hot or sexy, Audrey was a one of a kind beauty that we may never see again, quite a difference

Ah, the Precious kind of beauty where everyone says she's beautiful to be politically correct but you look and go "huh?"

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Ah, the Precious kind of beauty where everyone says she's beautiful to be politically correct but you look and go "huh?"

ok this is the Star Wars thread so I don't want to mess it up too much (I do that too much in too many threads )

no the kind of beauty that is for real and that poor princess Leai will never achieve even in 5000000 lifetimes

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

ok this is the Star Wars thread so I don't want to mess it up too much (I do that too much in too many threads )

no the kind of beauty that is for real and that poor princess Leai will never achieve even in 5000000 lifetimes

Yeah, but Audrey Hepburn never had her head put on a Pez dispenser!

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by frogmort

Yeah, but Audrey Hepburn never had her head put on a Pez dispenser!

Hmmm, I fail to see how that is a bad thing for Audrey

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Hmmm, I fail to see how that is a bad thing for Audrey

Audrey already looked like a Pez dispenser.

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by frogmort

Yeah, but Audrey Hepburn never had her head put on a Pez dispenser!

No, but they both have bobbleheads....

[aggienader08]

Originally Posted by kpkelley

No, but they both have bobbleheads....

Aw, that one of Leia is pretty cute, but the one of Hepburn looks like something from Team America.

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by aggienader08

Aw, that one of Leia is pretty cute, but the one of Hepburn looks like something from Team America.

Here are the others....

[frogmort]

Those are just way too cute, in a bad way!

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by frogmort

Those are just way too cute, in a bad way!

The Darth Vader one looks more like the Stewie Vader.

[greg_achen]

As for Kershner - I find him to get a *little* too much credit for being some kind of director-genius. Ive always felt the Empire Strikes to be a little over-rated.

Hence why I said the combination of Lucas, Kurtz, and Kershner. In my opinion, the strength of Empire lies in the collaboration of all three. Just as Kobe Bryant can't win an NBA championship without a good team, a good movie relies on the contributions of many people. With Lucas, Kurtz, and Kershner being at the "helm" of Empire, for whatever the reason that combination delivered movie magic, in my opinion. As for The Empire Strikes Back being overrated, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But keep in mind that in addition to many Star Wars fans, many reputible critics and institutions regard Empire Strikes Back as not only the best of the Star Wars films, but one of the best films of all time. With that said, no film is without its flaws and I will agree with you that many of the crticisms people throw at the prequels could easily be applied to the OT. For some reason, both the lovers and the haters have an "all or nothing" mentality when it comes to these films.

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by kpkelley

The Darth Vader one looks more like the Stewie Vader.

yet when the released the Family Guy bobbleheads, the first release had no mask so you could see Stewie's face.
http://www.mwctoys.com/images/review_blueharvest_1.jpg
they did a special version later
http://di1-1.shoppingshadow.com/imag...ie+Full+Ma.jpg

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Thank the maker Kurtz was gone. Besides, he's been so successful on his own.

Oh really?


Then what about this following quote from an IGN interview by him from 2002-


IGNFF: Do you think that he felt he'd outgrown the need for a set of controls... A "no-man"?

KURTZ: I don't know. I don't think we ever talked about it in those terms, but I think that he did chafe a bit under the idea of someone saying "that's not a good idea," some of the time. At the very end of Empire ... we decided at the very last minute – we pretty much locked the picture in the mix and just getting ready to make 70mm prints – and we decided that there had to an extra shot at the very end, to identify this rebel fleet.

If you remember how the end works, it's before you go into the medical department, who are working on Mark's hand. It's the establishing shot of the fleet, and we had a shot already of going into the window and showing Mark inside, and we just decided that it was confusing We didn't know exactly how that was sorted out, so we wanted a long shot at the beginning, and then one at the end that shows the whole fleet when the Falcon flies off. They weren't very difficult to do, and all the ships were there ... just pile up the composites, and they were rushed through, just to get it done. Very last minute. One of them wasn't particularly good, and George said, "Oh well, maybe we should just let it go."

I said, "It's worth at least one more go through. One bad shot can ruin the whole movie, basically." Which I really believe is true, and it just wasn't very good. It was just a compositing problem, had nothing to do with the individual shot elements – I can't even remember what shot it was, now. I think making a movie wears everybody down. You have to be really careful of the decisions you make at the very end, because you can kind of throw a monkey wrench in, very easily. "



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This is really a great interview regarding Kurtz's and Lucas's working relatonship, check it out-

http://movies.ign.com/articles/376/376873p1.html