2013 Oscar Discussion Discussion Thread

[TheForce8686]

Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

Plenty of the films that get nominated entertain, not just a select few. Things like 'The Social Network', 'The King's Speech', 'Inglorious Basterds', 'Up', and the list goes on and on. Just because it doesn't win doesn't mean anything. The fact it got nominated at all means they see something special in the movie. It's not about being the most flashy and entertaining, but it's not about being the most artsy and prestigious either. It's about being the best of the best, and bringing something to the table that people can connect with. I'd say that the academy is right about what they choose about 80% of the time. They've adjusted to the complaints many have lobbied against them in recent years, but we can't expect it to turn into the people's choice awards or the Golden Globes. We have those separate awards for that reason. Those are the places that some of these more blockbuster type films will get to shine, and while every once in a while that's the ones that get chosen by the Academy, usually they're looking for something else entirely than that.

The Social Network is another one. It was an ok movie. It was worth watching but I have never met one person who felt it was anywhere near the best of the year. I know my small social group and the message boards like this aren't the whole world but still you would think somewhere in the past few years I would have run into one person that felt it was the best movie of the year.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by TheForce8686

The Social Network is another one. It was an ok movie. It was worth watching but I have never met one person who felt it was anywhere near the best of the year. I know my small social group and the message boards like this aren't the whole world but still you would think somewhere in the past few years I would have run into one person that felt it was the best movie of the year.

Really? I've met quite a few, outside of these message boards, who actually loved the movie and thought it was. Then I've met others who absolutely thought 'The King's Speech' deserved it, and fight me tooth and claw to prove they're right.

These award shows all come down to people's personal preference, really, and of course they'll be irritated if something they love doesn't win. Then you never hear the end of it. It's not a black and white thing though. There are so many different awards shows, and that's the reason. Different shows are for different things, and that's why it's good that we have variety. Just because you don't agree with one, doesn't mean something you want to win can't win something else at another award ceremony.

[TheForce8686]

Originally Posted by Walts Ghost

Really? I've met quite a few, outside of these message boards, who actually loved the movie and thought it was. Then I've met others who absolutely thought 'The King's Speech' deserved it, and fight me tooth and claw to prove they're right.

These award shows all come down to people's personal preference, really, and of course they'll be irritated if something they love doesn't win. Then you never hear the end of it. It's not a black and white thing though. There are so many different awards shows, and that's the reason. Different shows are for different things, and that's why it's good that we have variety. Just because you don't agree with one, doesn't mean something you want to win can't win something else at another award ceremony.

The problem is essentially the same handful of movies are nominated for all the awards shows. Most of the times the same one or two win most of the major awards. I try to force myself to watch as many of those movies as I can so I can form my own opinions but there are times when despite the movie being on my hard drive or the disc being on my shelf I can't convince myself to watch it.

[Snicket]

Originally Posted by TheForce8686

The problem is essentially the same handful of movies are nominated for all the awards shows. Most of the times the same one or two win most of the major awards. I try to force myself to watch as many of those movies as I can so I can form my own opinions but there are times when despite the movie being on my hard drive or the disc being on my shelf I can't convince myself to watch it.

I don't see how that's the Academy's fault.

[TheForce8686]

Originally Posted by Snicket

I don't see how that's the Academy's fault.

It's the close minded critics fault. 90% of the movies they like and nominate come out in November or later. I understand how studios like putting movies they want nominated out at the end of the year so they are fresh in peoples minds but I have a hard time believe all the best movies of the year come out in such a short time period. Critics are just like grownup versions of goth kids. They like to be "different" than the majority because they think it makes them cool.

[Snicket]

Originally Posted by TheForce8686

It's the close minded critics fault. 90% of the movies they like and nominate come out in November or later. I understand how studios like putting movies they want nominated out at the end of the year so they are fresh in peoples minds but I have a hard time believe all the best movies of the year come out in such a short time period. Critics are just like grownup versions of goth kids. They like to be "different" than the majority because they think it makes them cool.

The nominated films have been very well receives by those who have seen them. Moonrise and Neasts of the Southern Wild came out in spring/summer and are critical darlings.

[TheForce8686]

Originally Posted by Snicket

The nominated films have been very well receives by those who have seen them. Moonrise and Neasts of the Southern Wild came out in spring/summer and are critical darlings.

Well I am glad that the 50 people who saw Beast of the Southern Wild thought it was really good but shouldn't it be made available for everyone to see it? Or was it but it looked so boring people wouldn't see it or the ones who did wouldn't recommend it so it vanished quickly?

[Tepi76]

I think that these could be pretty close (in order of likelyhood):

Best Picture (most likely 7-8 will get in)
Lincoln
Argo
Zero Dark Thirty
Silver Linings Playbook
Les Misérables
Life of Pi
Django Unchained
Beasts of the Southern Wild
The Master
Skyfall

Best Director
Steven Spielberg, Lincoln
Ben Affleck, Argo
Kathryn Bigelow, Zero Dark Thirty
Ang Lee, Life of Pi
Michael Haneke, Amour

Best Actor
Daniel Day-Lewis, Lincoln
Joaquin Phoenix, The Master
Denzel Washington, Flight
Hugh Jackman, Les Misérables
Suraj Sharma, Life of Pi (a big surprise)

Best Actress
Jessica Chastain, Zero Dark Thirty
Jennifer Lawrence, Silver Linings Playbook
Naomi Watts, The Impossible
Emmanuelle Riva, Amour
Marion Cotillard, Rust and Bone

Best Supporting Actor
Tommy Lee Jones, Lincoln
Philip Seymour Hoffman, The Master
Leonardo DiCaprio, Django Unchained
Eddie Redmayne, Les Misérables
Alan Arkin, Argo

Best Supporting Actress
Anne Hathaway, Les Misérables
Sally Field, Lincoln
Amy Adams, The Master
Nicole Kidman, The Paperboy
Ann Dowd, Compliance

Best Original Screenplay
Mark Boal, Zero Dark Thirty
Quentin Tarantino, Django Unchained
Paul Thomas Anderson, The Master
Wes Anderson & Roman Coppola, Moonrise Kingdom
Michael Haneke, Amour

Best Adapted Screenplay
Tony Kushner, Lincoln
Chris Terrio, Argo
David Magee, Life of Pi
David O. Russell, Silver Linings Playbook
Stephen Chbosky, The Perks of Being a Wallflower

Best Film Editing
Argo
Zero Dark Thirty
Lincoln
Skyfall
Life of Pi

Best Cinematography
Life of Pi
The Master
Skyfall
Lincoln
On the Road

Best Costume Design
Les Misérables
Anna Karenina
Lincoln
The Master
Django Unchained

Best Makeup and Hairstyling
Lincoln
Les Misérables
The Hobbit

Best Original Score
Life of Pi
Lincoln
The Master
Beasts of the Southern Wild
Anna Karenina

Best Production Design
Les Misérables
Lincoln
Anna Karenina
The Master
Life of Pi

Best Animated Feature
Frankenweenie
Wreck-it-Ralph
ParaNorman
The Painting
Rise of the Guardians

Best Foreign Language Film
Amour
The Intouchables
War Witch
Beyond the Hills
No

Best Documentary Feature
How to Survive a Plague
The Gatekeepers
Searching for Sugarman
Bully
The Invisible War

Best Sound Mixing
Skyfall
Zero Dark Thirty
The Dark Knight Rises
Les Misérables
Life of Pi

Best Sound Editing
Skyfall
Zero Dark Thirty
The Dark Knight Rises
Django Unchained
Lincoln

Best Visual Effects
Life of Pi
Cloud Atlas
The Hobbit
The Dark Knight Rises
The Avengers

Best Original Song
Skyfall, Skyfall
Suddenly, Les Misérables
Ancora Qui, Django Unchained
Learn Me Right, Brave
Song of The Lonely Mountain, The Hobbit

[Galactus]

Thank you Tepi for the list and now for me predictions!

Bolds = Win

Best Picture (most likely 7-8 will get in)
Lincoln
Argo
Zero Dark Thirty
Silver Linings Playbook
Les Misérables
Life of Pi
Django Unchained
Beasts of the Southern Wild
The Master
Skyfall

Best Director
Steven Spielberg, Lincoln
Ben Affleck, Argo
Kathryn Bigelow, Zero Dark Thirty
Ang Lee, Life of Pi
Michael Haneke, Amour

Best Actor
Daniel Day-Lewis, Lincoln
Joaquin Phoenix, The Master
Denzel Washington, Flight
Hugh Jackman, Les Misérables
Suraj Sharma, Life of Pi (a big surprise)

Best Actress
Jessica Chastain, Zero Dark Thirty
Jennifer Lawrence, Silver Linings Playbook
Naomi Watts, The Impossible
Emmanuelle Riva, Amour
Marion Cotillard, Rust and Bone

Best Supporting Actor
Tommy Lee Jones, Lincoln
Philip Seymour Hoffman, The Master
Leonardo DiCaprio, Django Unchained
Eddie Redmayne, Les Misérables
Alan Arkin, Argo

Best Supporting Actress
Anne Hathaway, Les Misérables
Sally Field, Lincoln
Amy Adams, The Master
Nicole Kidman, The Paperboy
Ann Dowd, Compliance

Best Original Screenplay
Mark Boal, Zero Dark Thirty
Quentin Tarantino, Django Unchained
Paul Thomas Anderson, The Master
Wes Anderson & Roman Coppola, Moonrise Kingdom
Michael Haneke, Amour

Best Adapted Screenplay
Tony Kushner, Lincoln
Chris Terrio, Argo
David Magee, Life of Pi
David O. Russell, Silver Linings Playbook
Stephen Chbosky, The Perks of Being a Wallflower

Best Film Editing
Argo
Zero Dark Thirty
Lincoln
Skyfall
Life of Pi

Best Cinematography
Life of Pi
The Master
Skyfall
Lincoln
On the Road

Best Costume Design
Les Misérables
Anna Karenina
Lincoln
The Master
Django Unchained

Best Makeup and Hairstyling
Lincoln
Les Misérables
The Hobbit

Best Original Score
Life of Pi
Lincoln
The Master
Beasts of the Southern Wild
Anna Karenina

Best Production Design
Les Misérables
Lincoln
Anna Karenina
The Master
Life of Pi

Best Animated Feature
Frankenweenie
Wreck-it-Ralph
ParaNorman
The Painting
Rise of the Guardians

Best Foreign Language Film
Amour
The Intouchables
War Witch
Beyond the Hills
No

Best Documentary Feature
How to Survive a Plague
The Gatekeepers
Searching for Sugarman
Bully
The Invisible War

Best Sound Mixing
Skyfall
Zero Dark Thirty
The Dark Knight Rises
Les Misérables
Life of Pi

Best Sound Editing
Skyfall
Zero Dark Thirty
The Dark Knight Rises
Django Unchained
Lincoln

Best Visual Effects
Life of Pi
Cloud Atlas
The Hobbit
The Dark Knight Rises
The Avengers

Best Original Song
Skyfall, Skyfall
Suddenly, Les Misérables
Ancora Qui, Django Unchained
Learn Me Right, Brave
Song of The Lonely Mountain, The Hobbit


*Runs out of thread*

[Tepi76]

Nice that you found winners from these predicted nominees.

I bet I'm some 20-30% off with these.

[blu-mike]

lol at Argo winning best picture

[Snicket]

I'll bold my prediction as well as well as a percentage of certainty.

Originally Posted by Tepi76

I think that these could be pretty close (in order of likelyhood):

Best Picture (most likely 7-8 will get in)
Lincoln 100%, it's a done deal.
Argo
Zero Dark Thirty
Silver Linings Playbook
Les Misérables
Life of Pi
Django Unchained
Beasts of the Southern Wild
The Master
Skyfall

Best Director
Steven Spielberg, Lincoln I can see this going elsewhere, wont know until some precursor events get announced.
Ben Affleck, Argo
Kathryn Bigelow, Zero Dark Thirty
Ang Lee, Life of Pi
Michael Haneke, Amour

Best Actor
Daniel Day-Lewis, Lincoln 100% Done deal.
Joaquin Phoenix, The Master
Denzel Washington, Flight
Hugh Jackman, Les Misérables
Suraj Sharma, Life of Pi (a big surprise)

Best Actress
Jessica Chastain, Zero Dark Thirty
Jennifer Lawrence, Silver Linings Playbook 80% done deal.
Naomi Watts, The Impossible
Emmanuelle Riva, Amour
Marion Cotillard, Rust and Bone

Best Supporting Actor
Tommy Lee Jones, Lincoln 80%
Philip Seymour Hoffman, The Master
Leonardo DiCaprio, Django Unchained
Eddie Redmayne, Les Misérables
Alan Arkin, Argo

Best Supporting Actress
Anne Hathaway, Les Misérables 1,000,000% done deal.
Sally Field, Lincoln
Amy Adams, The Master
Nicole Kidman, The Paperboy
Ann Dowd, Compliance

You are missing Quvenzhane Wallis. I don't see Ann Down close.

Best Original Screenplay
Mark Boal, Zero Dark Thirty 50%, could go to Django
Quentin Tarantino, Django Unchained
Paul Thomas Anderson, The Master
Wes Anderson & Roman Coppola, Moonrise Kingdom
Michael Haneke, Amour

Best Adapted Screenplay
Tony Kushner, Lincoln It will take some of these as it rolls on best pic.
Chris Terrio, Argo
David Magee, Life of Pi
David O. Russell, Silver Linings Playbook
Stephen Chbosky, The Perks of Being a Wallflower

Best Film Editing
Argo
Zero Dark Thirty 75%
Lincoln
Skyfall
Life of Pi

Best Cinematography
Life of Pi
The Master
Skyfall
Lincoln
On the Road

No Zero Dark?

Best Costume Design
Les Misérables 50%, these are always a toss up between period pieces.
Anna Karenina
Lincoln
The Master
Django Unchained

Best Makeup and Hairstyling
Lincoln
Les Misérables
The Hobbit

Best Original Score
Life of Pi
Lincoln
The Master
Beasts of the Southern Wild
Anna Karenina

Zero Dark deserves this.

Best Production Design
Les Misérables
Lincoln
Anna Karenina 10%, Could go to anyone but Master and Pi.
The Master
Life of Pi

Best Animated Feature
Frankenweenie
Wreck-it-Ralph 75%, unless a foreign title steals it.
ParaNorman
The Painting
Rise of the Guardians

Best Foreign Language Film
Amour
The Intouchables
War Witch
Beyond the Hills
No

No Rust and Bone?

Best Documentary Feature
How to Survive a Plague
The Gatekeepers
Searching for Sugarman
Bully
The Invisible War

Hard to tell.

Best Sound Mixing
Skyfall
Zero Dark Thirty 80%
The Dark Knight Rises
Les Misérables
Life of Pi

Best Sound Editing
Skyfall
Zero Dark Thirty 80%
The Dark Knight Rises
Django Unchained
Lincoln

Best Visual Effects
Life of Pi 60%
Cloud Atlas
The Hobbit
The Dark Knight Rises
The Avengers

No Prometheus? The Academy like practical effects...

Best Original Song
Skyfall, Skyfall
Suddenly, Les Misérables 50%, Adele could take it easy.
Ancora Qui, Django Unchained
Learn Me Right, Brave
Song of The Lonely Mountain, The Hobbit

Originally Posted by Tepi76

Nice that you found winners from these predicted nominees.

I bet I'm some 20-30% off with these.

I really want to see Zero Dark in the score category. Desplat is long overdue for the win.

The funny thing about predictions now is that after noms are announced the studios will rev up their campaigns and throw the entire thing sideways.

[Tepi76]

I agree that Desplat is overdue, but he composes so many films a year that it could be a problem. I may be underestimating Zero Dark Thirty there and in one or two other categories.

Rust and Bone is not France's entry. Not eligible.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by blu-mike

lol at Argo winning best picture

[AdrianL]

In those predictions I'd replace Redmayne (totally not happening) with Robert De Niro.

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by TheForce8686

Well I am glad that the 50 people who saw Beast of the Southern Wild thought it was really good but shouldn't it be made available for everyone to see it? Or was it but it looked so boring people wouldn't see it or the ones who did wouldn't recommend it so it vanished quickly?

I saw Beasts and loved it, it garnered wild hype at festivals, got released in July and managed to carry momentum all the way to the Oscars. But you know, you haven't seen it so obviously you know more than me.

Also, isn't there an MTV Movie Awards for films that don't appease to the Oscar needs

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by Snicket

I'll bold my prediction as well as well as a percentage of certainty.





I really want to see Zero Dark in the score category. Desplat is long overdue for the win.

The funny thing about predictions now is that after noms are announced the studios will rev up their campaigns and throw the entire thing sideways.

Prometheus used a lot of the sets and creature effects were practical. And when they did use CGI it looked damn fantastic.

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Thank you Tepi for the list and now for me predictions!

Bolds = Win

Best Picture (most likely 7-8 will get in)
Lincoln
Argo
Zero Dark Thirty
Silver Linings Playbook
Les Misérables
Life of Pi
Django Unchained
Beasts of the Southern Wild
The Master
Skyfall

Best Director
Steven Spielberg, Lincoln
Ben Affleck, Argo
Kathryn Bigelow, Zero Dark Thirty
Ang Lee, Life of Pi
Quentin Tarantino, Django Unchained (no Haneke, we need the kids to watch the show, and no ones more hip than Tarantino)

Best Actor
Daniel Day-Lewis, Lincoln
Joaquin Phoenix, The Master
Denzel Washington, Flight
Hugh Jackman, Les Misérables
Ben Affleck, Argo (no one's talking about Life of Pi acting wise)

Best Actress
Jessica Chastain, Zero Dark Thirty
Jennifer Lawrence, Silver Linings Playbook
Naomi Watts, The Impossible
Emmanuelle Riva, Amour
Marion Cotillard, Rust and Bone

Best Supporting Actor
Tommy Lee Jones, Lincoln
Philip Seymour Hoffman, The Master
Leonardo DiCaprio, Django Unchained
Eddie Redmayne, Les Misérables (Who? Dwight Henery got a nod in here somewhere, not this kid)
Alan Arkin, Argo

Best Supporting Actress
Anne Hathaway, Les Misérables
Sally Field, Lincoln
Amy Adams, The Master
Nicole Kidman, The Paperboy
Ann Dowd, Compliance

Best Original Screenplay
Mark Boal, Zero Dark Thirty (Wishful thinking with Moonrise Kingdom)
Quentin Tarantino, Django Unchained
Paul Thomas Anderson, The Master
Wes Anderson & Roman Coppola, Moonrise Kingdom
Michael Haneke, Amour

Best Adapted Screenplay
Tony Kushner, Lincoln
Chris Terrio, Argo
David Magee, Life of Pi
David O. Russell, Silver Linings Playbook
Stephen Chbosky, The Perks of Being a Wallflower

Best Film Editing
Argo
Zero Dark Thirty
Lincoln
Skyfall
Life of Pi

Best Cinematography
Life of Pi
The Master
Skyfall
Lincoln
Django Unchained (On The Road will be nowhere to be seen)

Best Costume Design
Les Misérables
Anna Karenina
Lincoln
The Master
Django Unchained

Best Makeup and Hairstyling
Lincoln
Les Misérables
The Hobbit

Best Original Score
Life of Pi
Lincoln
The Master
Beasts of the Southern Wild
Cloud Atlas

Best Production Design
Les Misérables
Lincoln
Anna Karenina
The Master
Life of Pi

Best Animated Feature
Frankenweenie (Doubt this'll be nominated)
Wreck-it-Ralph
ParaNorman
The Painting
Rise of the Guardians

Best Foreign Language Film
Amour
The Intouchables
War Witch
Beyond the Hills
No

Best Documentary Feature
How to Survive a Plague
The Gatekeepers
Searching for Sugarman
Bully
The Invisible War

Best Sound Mixing
Skyfall
Zero Dark Thirty
The Dark Knight Rises
Les Misérables
Life of Pi

Best Sound Editing
Skyfall
Zero Dark Thirty
The Dark Knight Rises
Django Unchained
Lincoln

Best Visual Effects
Life of Pi
Cloud Atlas
The Hobbit
The Dark Knight Rises
Prometheus (The Avengers had naff looking effects)

Best Original Song
Skyfall, Skyfall
Suddenly, Les Misérables
Ancora Qui, Django Unchained
Learn Me Right, Brave
Song of The Lonely Mountain, The Hobbit

I think I need to point out, the Oscar nominations aren't devised by a group of old men round a table deciding what they like best. It's over thousands of ballots going between members of the Acadamy. You don't go for surprises, you go for what the mass are talking about.

[Hawkguy]

Originally Posted by TheForce8686

Well I am glad that the 50 people who saw Beast of the Southern Wild thought it was really good but shouldn't it be made available for everyone to see it?

It's on blu-ray...

[hsox05]

I know Hathaway is one of those "critic darlings" and Eddie Redmayne is a virtual unknown, but I found his supporting role to be more powerful (and better performed) than Hathaway's. I also haven't yet seen all the competing films, but to me Redmayne deserves it more than Hathaway from Les Miserables.