Jean-Claude Van Damme on Blu-ray - Page 6 - Blu-ray Forum

thelwig14 · 07-18-2013, 04:19 PM

Too bad Wake of Death is not all region.

kevinbellamy · 07-18-2013, 05:37 PM

I own the Region 4 (Australia) DVD of Hard Target.
- Which is the European/International cut or sometimes referred to as the unrated edition
- This cut has a roughly 3-4 extra minutes included.
- Run time is listed as 1 hour and 35 minutes (PAL).

3 additional minutes is nothing substantial but all the additional extended cuts are in workprint format. Yes, even the director's cut which is technically a sneak preview aka screener.

There's a lot of discussion and confusion about the different cuts of this movie online. It gets really confusing. IMDB does not even include the Euro cut under Technical Spec yet ironically they include the Director's cut and Workprint editions, which are available only as bootlegs.

Excuse the babbling. The gist is there is no official Director's Cut and the International Cut is what I consider the definite release.

Nissen · 07-18-2013, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by madridista8700

Here is my massive JCVD release guide and comparison list:

[Show spoiler]

Great list from the Great Dane. Mange takk!

Turns out I am missing just two from that list, so I might as well get them too. You're costing me money here M!

BTW, VanDamme's part in UFO amounts to a bit more than a cameo IMO. About the same as Dragon Eyes, I'd say.

madridista8700 · 07-18-2013, 08:05 PM

Great, which ones did you miss?

And if you also want Breakin' for his 2-minute dance in the background, it's been released in Germany :P

I haven't seen UFO yet, but was led to believe he only had a scene in it? If it's more, I'll be happy to include UFO on the list

Was thinking about highlighting the best version from each movie, to know which one to pick up.
Also thinking of compiling such a list for Jackie Chan, but that would take a day or two.

Nissen · 07-18-2013, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by madridista8700

Great, which ones did you miss?

Desert Heat from Germany and Second In Command from the US.

I can't really recommend UFO as a VanDamme film, but as a low-budget sci-fi flick it gets the job done. VanDamme has a big role in the third act, but they were smart not to market this as a "VanDamme Film".

madridista8700 · 07-18-2013, 08:29 PM

Welcome to the Jungle is also coming soon, but it hasn't been confirmed. It shows up on Walmart's website without any info.

madridista8700 · 07-18-2013, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nissen

Desert Heat from Germany and Second In Command from the US.

I can't really recommend UFO as a VanDamme film, but as a low-budget sci-fi flick it gets the job done. VanDamme has a big role in the third act, but they were smart not to market this as a "VanDamme Film".

Do you have Nowhere to Run?

Nissen · 07-18-2013, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by madridista8700

Do you have Nowhere to Run?

On its way from Amazon.
I told myself I wasn't going to rebuy every VanDamme film as I have 'em all on DVD, but your list triggered the completist in me.

madridista8700 · 07-18-2013, 08:44 PM

I am asking, because I read somewhere that it in fact had 5.1 audio, but back cover states 2.0

I am actually surprised by the amount of his films on BD. Nearly everything but 6-7 of which I really want 4 of right now!

Cevolution · 07-18-2013, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by madridista8700

I am asking, because I read somewhere that it in fact had 5.1 audio, but back cover states 2.0

I am actually surprised by the amount of his films on BD. Nearly everything but 6-7 of which I really want 4 of right now!

It only has an uncompressed LPCM stereo track.

Mobe1969 · 07-18-2013, 09:49 PM

Awesome post madridista8700

kdo · 07-23-2013, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by madridista8700

MOVIES YET TO BE RELEASED:
Black Eagle 1988
Lion the Streetfighter a.k.a. Lionheart 1990
Double Team 1997
Knock Off 1998
The Hard Cops 2006
The Shepherd: Border Patrol 2008
Assassination Games 2011

MOVIES NOT ON LIST:
Breakin' 1984 Uncredited role
Missing in Action 1984 Uncredited role
Kung Fu Panda 2 2011 Voice actor
Alien Uprising a.k.a. U.F.O. 2012 Cameo

I'd like to see "Lionheart," and that's pretty much it..."Breakin'" did get a German Blu-ray release

:

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ess=#vergleich

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Originally Posted by Captain Mal

Is the U.S. cut available on DVD anywhere? Don't care if it's a different region. This looks like it might be the U.S. cut but I doubt it.

Not that I'm aware of...to the best of my understanding, the original US cut has only been released on VHS...

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Originally Posted by madridista8700

I have that release and saw it a few nights ago.

I never saw Jason meet Kelly; we were introduced to her at her birthday party. I am sure that the longer cut sees the two meet, instead of just him just going to her party like he knew her.

EDIT: I now see that there are 3 different cuts?
There's 79 mins, 85 mins and 99 mins. The back of mine says 85 mins and the back of the Australian release says 94 mins.

Someone with knowledge, please help!

On home video, there's basically been two cuts...the US Cut and then the International Cut...some of those runtimes on certain releases (like the Amazon MOD disc) are incorrect. The PAL versions are going to be shorter do the the 4% PAL speedup issue...here's some more info for you:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089695/alternateversions

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Originally Posted by Captain Mal

I'm pretty sure the 85 minute version is the American cut, which has the extra scene where Jason and Kelly meet. The 94 minute version is the international cut, and it doesn't show Jason and Kelly meet. Haven't heard of the 79 minute cut.

Correct

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Originally Posted by madridista8700

Oh, then I must have those two mixed up.

Doesn't make sense that the shorter version has an introduction to a character, while the longer version she just appears outta nowhere!

Curious to know what the 79 min version is....

I am so thankful that the scene in which Jason meets Kelly (and they go touring around Seattle) was cut from the International Version. It's awful, plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by Danielc1205

Thank You,looks like German release is more detailed.I am gonna wait for price drop and import this release.

The German Blu is better than the Lionsgate release, but it is Region-B locked, so make sure you have a Region-free player. The best looking release of "Kickboxer" is still the Region-1 1999 HBO widescreen DVD...

Deckard757 · 07-23-2013, 12:41 PM

Glad to see this thread.

Gonna pick up Bloodsport/Time Cop, Kickboxer, and Universal Soldier on friday.

tilallr1 · 07-23-2013, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kdo

The German Blu is better than the Lionsgate release, but it is Region-B locked, so make sure you have a Region-free player. The best looking release of "Kickboxer" is still the Region-1 1999 HBO widescreen DVD...

I decided to pick it up and give the blu-ray a try, after all its less that $10. I have the 1999 HBO widescreen DVD and I will do a comparison and let you guys know what I think. But it sounds absolutely bizarre that a DVD could ever be superior to a Blu-ray. But this may be the one title where I realize this is possible.

I looked at the screen grabs and the Blu-ray does appear to be just a simple up-convert of the DVD, which could create its own set of problems. Which could also explain its inferiority to the DVD. As per the different Blu-ray releases, in my honest opinion, the only difference appears to be brightness. I don't notice any improved picture quality or detail. They look practically identical to me.

I hope they remaster it one day, but I seriously doubt it.

kdo · 07-23-2013, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tilallr1

I decided to pick it up and give the blu-ray a try, after all its less that $10. I have the 1999 HBO widescreen DVD and I will do a comparison and let you guys know what I think. But it sounds absolutely bizarre that a DVD could ever be superior to a Blu-ray. But this may be the one title where I realize this is possible.

I looked at the screen grabs and the Blu-ray does appear to be just a simple up-convert of the DVD, which could create its own set of problems. Which could also explain its inferiority to the DVD. As per the different Blu-ray releases, in my honest opinion, the only difference appears to be brightness. I don't notice any improved picture quality or detail. They look practically identical to me.

I hope they remaster it one day, but I seriously doubt it.

The Lionsgate Blu-ray has noticeable DNR and brightness issues...it's awful...

The German BD does look to be an upconvert of the German DVD (which is of good quality), yet it still handily outclasses the Lionsgate Blu...

The R1 1999 HBO DVD, despite its lower res, is the best of the bunch...

As for your comment about finding it "bizarre that a DVD could ever be superior to a Blu-ray"....please...you have been a member on here long enough to know that there have been numerous instances of catastrophic disasters on Blu-ray...

Blu Manchu · 07-23-2013, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nissen

On its way from Amazon.
I told myself I wasn't going to rebuy every VanDamme film as I have 'em all on DVD, but your list triggered the completist in me.

Ha same here, I own *every* Van Damme film ever released on DVD (the only thing I'm missing is the Behind Closed Doors DVD) but knowing superior blu-rays are out there, often uncut, is making me buy them all again. Same situation with Stallone, Schwarzenegger, Seagal, Chan and Norris, whose complete filmographies I collected on DVD! Though rewatching some Norris flicks recently they are terrible so I may hold off on upgrading all of them. Hope he doesn't turn up and kick me in the face

Anyway thanks to madridista8700 for the list, I'm still puzzled by Assassination Games not getting a blu-ray release, very annoying

kdo · 07-24-2013, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Blu Manchu

Though rewatching some Norris flicks recently they are terrible so I may hold off on upgrading all of them. Hope he doesn't turn up and kick me in the face

Actually, the more I think of Chuck Norris, the more I think the Blu-ray format should've been created solely for his films, his "Texas Ranger" TV show and his Total Gym infomercials (and called something like "Chuck-ray" instead of Blu-ray)...I'm sure if that had been the case, everyone in the world would own a player as well as every single one of his films, TV shows, and infomercials

...because if they didn't, like you said, Chuck would pay them a personal visit with a complimentary roundhouse kick to the head...

DanielC · 07-25-2013, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kdo

The Lionsgate Blu-ray has noticeable DNR and brightness issues...it's awful...

The German BD does look to be an upconvert of the German DVD (which is of good quality), yet it still handily outclasses the Lionsgate Blu...

The R1 1999 HBO DVD, despite its lower res, is the best of the bunch...

As for your comment about finding it "bizarre that a DVD could ever be superior to a Blu-ray"....please...you have been a member on here long enough to know that there have been numerous instances of catastrophic disasters on Blu-ray...

I own the dutch bluray of Kickboxer ... I'm not a nitpicker, but I thought it looked way better than the dvd ever did. I'm not expecting Avatar/Disney quality bluray's.. so expectations were met.

Nissen · 07-25-2013, 11:31 AM

Just received my Wake of Death (Black edition) and the German Bloodsport (already have the US disc).

Now, if he would only finish/release Eagle Path/Soldier :-)

I have been waiting for that film for ages!

madridista8700 · 07-25-2013, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Nissen

Just received my Wake of Death (Black edition) and the German Bloodsport (already have the US disc).

Now, if he would only finish/release Eagle Path/Soldier :-)

I have been waiting for that film for ages!

Got my German Bloodsport four days ago. Compared it to my US disc, I think it's better and worse at the same time. Detail and color is better, but the aliasing ruins it. Overall it still beats the US disc

07-18-2013, 04:19 PM	#101
thelwig14 Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2011 Location:Texas Trading Score:94	Too bad Wake of Death is not all region.

07-18-2013, 05:37 PM	#102
kevinbellamy Senior Member Member since:Jan 2011 Trading Score:5	I own the Region 4 (Australia) DVD of Hard Target. - Which is the European/International cut or sometimes referred to as the unrated edition - This cut has a roughly 3-4 extra minutes included. - Run time is listed as 1 hour and 35 minutes (PAL). 3 additional minutes is nothing substantial but all the additional extended cuts are in workprint format. Yes, even the director's cut which is technically a sneak preview aka screener. There's a lot of discussion and confusion about the different cuts of this movie online. It gets really confusing. IMDB does not even include the Euro cut under Technical Spec yet ironically they include the Director's cut and Workprint editions, which are available only as bootlegs. Excuse the babbling. The gist is there is no official Director's Cut and the International Cut is what I consider the definite release.

07-18-2013, 08:05 PM	#104
madridista8700 Special Member Top contributor Member since:Jan 2009 Location:Denmark 4K collection:123 Blu-ray collection:189 Trading Score:7	Great, which ones did you miss? And if you also want Breakin' for his 2-minute dance in the background, it's been released in Germany :P I haven't seen UFO yet, but was led to believe he only had a scene in it? If it's more, I'll be happy to include UFO on the list Was thinking about highlighting the best version from each movie, to know which one to pick up. Also thinking of compiling such a list for Jackie Chan, but that would take a day or two.

07-18-2013, 08:29 PM	#106
madridista8700 Special Member Top contributor Member since:Jan 2009 Location:Denmark 4K collection:123 Blu-ray collection:189 Trading Score:7	Welcome to the Jungle is also coming soon, but it hasn't been confirmed. It shows up on Walmart's website without any info.

07-18-2013, 08:44 PM	#109
madridista8700 Special Member Top contributor Member since:Jan 2009 Location:Denmark 4K collection:123 Blu-ray collection:189 Trading Score:7	I am asking, because I read somewhere that it in fact had 5.1 audio, but back cover states 2.0 I am actually surprised by the amount of his films on BD. Nearly everything but 6-7 of which I really want 4 of right now!

07-18-2013, 09:49 PM	#111
Mobe1969 Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Brisbane, Australia 4K collection:980 Blu-ray collection:1610	Awesome post madridista8700

07-23-2013, 12:41 PM	#113
Deckard757 Active Member Member since:Jul 2013 Location:Virginia 4K collection:8 Blu-ray collection:197 DVD collection:2	Glad to see this thread. Gonna pick up Bloodsport/Time Cop, Kickboxer, and Universal Soldier on friday.

07-25-2013, 11:31 AM	#119
Nissen Special Member Member since:May 2010 Trading Score:3	Just received my Wake of Death (Black edition) and the German Bloodsport (already have the US disc). Now, if he would only finish/release Eagle Path/Soldier :-) I have been waiting for that film for ages!

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