First thread!!! How many use a dedicated pre/pro or something else as a prepro - Blu-ray Forum

prerich · 12-11-2008, 07:00 PM

I will put this in a poll

Brief Definition: A "pre" is also known as a pre-amp (pre-amplification stage before being sent to a seperate amplifier). This is a piece of equipment that your sources are plugged into (such as a CD player, Tape deck, or Phonograph).

A "pro" is a short term for any signal processor - Signal processors come in many different flavors. Some of the earliest processors (that still retain high resale value) are the DBX line of processors - especially their Dynamic Range expanders that feature impact restoration, other processors include Aphex, Carver, Eq's, Reverbs and so on. These processors impact the actual signal itself.

Now to understand what a pre/pro is -just take the combined definitions above and you will have a base understanding of a pre/pro. With the advent of surround sound - new processing was needed (delays, matrixing, ect). The Yamaha DSP-1 was the official begining of Dolby surround (no center channel at that time). This was a very complex piece of gear that could change multiple dynamics in your system such as center frequency, phasing and so-on. This piece of gear generally sat between the Pre amp and the power amp.

As surround sound progressed companies such as Lexicon, Fosgate Audionics, Parasound, Denon, Golden Tubes, and a host of others pioneered the combination of the pre-amp and processor secitons together - leaving the amplification section seperate. Other compaines such as Yamaha and Pionner opted for another approach - allow the user to add amplification to his receiver - turning the receiver into a prepro (because it has be releaved of its amplifiying duties by the seperate amps).

These methods have long been considered by many to be the best way to achieve the cleanest sound in a system and the easiest way to upgrade specific parts. It is also the most expensive and least convienent.

To make it easy - a prepro is like a receiver with no amps - (and maybe no tuner section either - depends on the prepro). The amplifiers are a seperate component from the pre-amp/processor section hence the term pre/pro and the term seperates.

redboxcar · 12-11-2008, 07:16 PM

This is a very stupid question, I know... but: what is a Pre/Pro System?

I wanna answer, but I gotta know what it is first.

Intamin · 12-11-2008, 07:27 PM

My setup switches back and forth, depending on the source. When using my PS3, I just use a receiver, and it doesn't have any preouts (I hope to by a new one soon and use preouts on it and get an rca switcher). When using my S-300 or hd-dvd player it goes hdmi to tv, and analog out to my Parasound P3 pre-amp, pre-amp to Def Tech sub, sub to Parasound HCA 1000 2 ch amp. Once I get a new receiver, it'll be receiver to switcher to amp, and then the other stuff will stay the same.

redboxcar · 12-11-2008, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Intamin

My setup switches back and forth, depending on the source. When using my PS3, I just use a receiver, and it doesn't have any preouts (I hope to by a new one soon and use preouts on it and get an rca switcher). When using my S-300 or hd-dvd player it goes hdmi to tv, and analog out to my Parasound P3 pre-amp, pre-amp to Def Tech sub, sub to Parasound HCA 1000 2 ch amp. Once I get a new receiver, it'll be receiver to switcher to amp, and then the other stuff will stay the same.

Hmm, that sounds too complicated for me... I'll stay outta this poll and head to the newbies section.

... hehehe...

Deadset · 12-11-2008, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prerich

I will put this in a poll

You may want to start out with some descriptions of what pre/pro is so people can get an understanding and sticky it

Intamin · 12-11-2008, 08:02 PM

A Pre-Pro is a pre amp, and then an amplifier. An example of a pre-amp would be the Integra DTR 9.8, which is a multi-channel pre-amp that has both digital and analog inputs/outputs. The pre-amp does all of the processing, and then sends the audio to an external amplifier. Or, you can use a receiver that has a built in amplifier, but use the pre-outs on the back and just send it to a dedicated amp. That's the basic description.

Bizdady · 12-12-2008, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Intamin

A Pre-Pro is a pre amp, and then an amplifier. An example of a pre-amp would be the Integra DTR 9.8, which is a multi-channel pre-amp that has both digital and analog inputs/outputs. The pre-amp does all of the processing, and then sends the audio to an external amplifier. Or, you can use a receiver that has a built in amplifier, but use the pre-outs on the back and just send it to a dedicated amp. That's the basic description.

OH

In that case I only have my Reciever

musicman1999 · 12-12-2008, 02:05 AM

anthem avm-30, biggest improvement my system has seen in one shot.

bill

btf1980 · 12-12-2008, 10:47 AM

Yes. I use a Marantz AV8003.

prerich · 12-12-2008, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deads3t

You may want to start out with some descriptions of what pre/pro is so people can get an understanding and sticky it

Added a description

STARKILLER--1138 · 12-11-2008, 10:13 PM

Yammie 663 receiver as pre/pro.

blu master · 12-14-2008, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Louie

Yammie 663 receiver as pre/pro.

How? i wanna try

Driver_King · 12-14-2008, 01:08 AM

Do you have a separate amplifier you wish to connect to your 663?

prerich · 12-14-2008, 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blu master

How? i wanna try

Are you ready to buy a 7 channel amp?

JJ · 12-14-2008, 08:32 PM

Blu master, go Emotiva, like I plan to...if you want efficient amplifiers at a low price. UPA-7, I think is the one. $600-$700.

I'm all a-flutter trying to decide between an additional Dynamo, a Emotiva amp, or a 50" Panny plasma as my next big purchase early next year...

Driver_King · 12-14-2008, 11:06 PM

In my opinion, you'd be best off if you get the plasma first, the sub second, and the amp third.

crazyBLUE · 12-19-2008, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prerich

Are you ready to buy a 7 channel amp?

YAMMY 663 as pre/pro : UMATIVA UPA-7 IF I NEW THEN , WHAT I KNOW NOW, I WOULD HAVE BOUGHT AMP YEARS AGO !!

prerich · 12-19-2008, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

YAMMY 663 as pre/pro : UMATIVA UPA-7 IF I NEW THEN , WHAT I KNOW NOW, I WOULD HAVE BOUGHT AMP YEARS AGO !!

Welcome to the pre/pro club

crazyBLUE · 12-21-2008, 03:35 AM

YAMMY -663 !

EMOTIVA UPA-7 !

SOUND NOW PRICELESS !

VDogger · 12-21-2008, 05:28 AM

Yeah, I don't quite understand what a pre/pro system is ... seriously, I have an Onkyo TX-SR805 as my receiver and that's it.

V

View Poll Results: What do you use for a prepro
Dedicated Prepro with Analog outs	19	14.84%
Dedicated Pre/pro with HDMI and or HD Audio decoding	35	27.34%
Receiver as a pre/pro	76	59.38%
HTPC as a Pre/pro - yes it can be done	3	2.34%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 128. You may not vote on this poll

12-11-2008, 07:00 PM	#1
prerich Moderator Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Home Theater Gallery:50 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:2	First thread!!! How many use a dedicated pre/pro or something else as a prepro I will put this in a poll Brief Definition: A "pre" is also known as a pre-amp (pre-amplification stage before being sent to a seperate amplifier). This is a piece of equipment that your sources are plugged into (such as a CD player, Tape deck, or Phonograph). A "pro" is a short term for any signal processor - Signal processors come in many different flavors. Some of the earliest processors (that still retain high resale value) are the DBX line of processors - especially their Dynamic Range expanders that feature impact restoration, other processors include Aphex, Carver, Eq's, Reverbs and so on. These processors impact the actual signal itself. Now to understand what a pre/pro is -just take the combined definitions above and you will have a base understanding of a pre/pro. With the advent of surround sound - new processing was needed (delays, matrixing, ect). The Yamaha DSP-1 was the official begining of Dolby surround (no center channel at that time). This was a very complex piece of gear that could change multiple dynamics in your system such as center frequency, phasing and so-on. This piece of gear generally sat between the Pre amp and the power amp. As surround sound progressed companies such as Lexicon, Fosgate Audionics, Parasound, Denon, Golden Tubes, and a host of others pioneered the combination of the pre-amp and processor secitons together - leaving the amplification section seperate. Other compaines such as Yamaha and Pionner opted for another approach - allow the user to add amplification to his receiver - turning the receiver into a prepro (because it has be releaved of its amplifiying duties by the seperate amps). These methods have long been considered by many to be the best way to achieve the cleanest sound in a system and the easiest way to upgrade specific parts. It is also the most expensive and least convienent. To make it easy - a prepro is like a receiver with no amps - (and maybe no tuner section either - depends on the prepro). The amplifiers are a seperate component from the pre-amp/processor section hence the term pre/pro and the term seperates. Last edited by prerich; 12-12-2008 at 01:18 PM.

Similar Threads
thread	Forum	Thread Starter	Replies	Last Post
UK Slipcover Thread	United Kingdom and Ireland	madgamer24	7956	08-24-2025 07:06 PM
The Official Onkyo PR-SC5507P pre-pro thread!	Pre/Pro, Amplifiers and Separate Systems	solarrdadd	438	10-14-2021 12:24 AM
The Official Anthem Pre/Pro Thread	Pre/Pro, Amplifiers and Separate Systems	Hammie	27	09-15-2011 06:09 PM
Dedicated 2 channel pre-amps	Pre/Pro, Amplifiers and Separate Systems	Intamin	39	06-12-2009 03:31 AM
New pre/pro ideas	Pre/Pro, Amplifiers and Separate Systems	pgblu	17	03-15-2009 06:42 PM

12-11-2008, 07:16 PM	#2
redboxcar Expert Member Member since:Mar 2008 Blu-ray collection:470 Trading Score:161	This is a very stupid question, I know... but: what is a Pre/Pro System? I wanna answer, but I gotta know what it is first.

12-11-2008, 07:27 PM	#3
Intamin Power Member Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Houston Home Theater Gallery:38 Blu-ray collection:318	My setup switches back and forth, depending on the source. When using my PS3, I just use a receiver, and it doesn't have any preouts (I hope to by a new one soon and use preouts on it and get an rca switcher). When using my S-300 or hd-dvd player it goes hdmi to tv, and analog out to my Parasound P3 pre-amp, pre-amp to Def Tech sub, sub to Parasound HCA 1000 2 ch amp. Once I get a new receiver, it'll be receiver to switcher to amp, and then the other stuff will stay the same.

12-11-2008, 08:02 PM	#6
Intamin Power Member Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Houston Home Theater Gallery:38 Blu-ray collection:318	A Pre-Pro is a pre amp, and then an amplifier. An example of a pre-amp would be the Integra DTR 9.8, which is a multi-channel pre-amp that has both digital and analog inputs/outputs. The pre-amp does all of the processing, and then sends the audio to an external amplifier. Or, you can use a receiver that has a built in amplifier, but use the pre-outs on the back and just send it to a dedicated amp. That's the basic description.

12-12-2008, 02:05 AM	#8
musicman1999 Active Member Member since:Nov 2007	anthem avm-30, biggest improvement my system has seen in one shot. bill

12-12-2008, 10:47 AM	#9
btf1980 Special Member Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jan 2007 Location:NYC Home Theater Gallery:97 Trading Score:14	Yes. I use a Marantz AV8003.

12-11-2008, 10:13 PM	#11
STARKILLER--1138 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jan 2008	Yammie 663 receiver as pre/pro.

12-14-2008, 01:08 AM	#13
Driver_King Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Tampa Bay, Florida Home Theater Gallery:96 Blu-ray collection:28 Trading Score:10	Do you have a separate amplifier you wish to connect to your 663?

12-14-2008, 08:32 PM	#15
JJ Blu-ray Count Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Miami, FL Home Theater Gallery:99 4K collection:619 Blu-ray collection:1293 DVD collection:31 Digital collection:5 Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:203	Blu master, go Emotiva, like I plan to...if you want efficient amplifiers at a low price. UPA-7, I think is the one. $600-$700. I'm all a-flutter trying to decide between an additional Dynamo, a Emotiva amp, or a 50" Panny plasma as my next big purchase early next year...

12-14-2008, 11:06 PM	#16
Driver_King Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Tampa Bay, Florida Home Theater Gallery:96 Blu-ray collection:28 Trading Score:10	In my opinion, you'd be best off if you get the plasma first, the sub second, and the amp third.

12-21-2008, 03:35 AM	#19
crazyBLUE Moderator Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Aug 2008 Location:Pacific Northwest Home Theater Gallery:89 Blu-ray collection:479 DVD collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 38 Trading Score:30	YAMMY -663 ! EMOTIVA UPA-7 ! SOUND NOW PRICELESS !

12-21-2008, 05:28 AM	#20
VDogger Active Member Member since:Apr 2008 Location:New York Home Theater Gallery:20 Blu-ray collection:173	Yeah, I don't quite understand what a pre/pro system is ... seriously, I have an Onkyo TX-SR805 as my receiver and that's it. V

Best Blu-ray Movie Deals