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![]() But you can't really blame kids for not being entertained by older stuff, that's just how life is. I consume tons of classics, but I don't invite my friends over to watch Newhart or Dick Van Dyke, or Odd Couple, or Get Smart, etc even though I love them. Like I said Citizen Kane was an O.K. film, just didn't live up to the hype when I watched. It's worth a watch but not at $270 is all I am saying. |
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As far as CITIZEN KANE being "dated," it's certainly made in a style that is a bit different from today's typical Hollywood mainstream movies, but anyone who cannot find the film relevant to today is simply not paying attention or incapable of recognizing what all is going on in it, over and above the expertly contrived visual and audio techniques or out-of-the-ordinary plot structure that they might grudgingly recognize. That's all there just to tell the story and reveal character. A man spends all his money doing what he wants, buying whatever he wants, and still finds he can't buy love or happiness (wasn't there a song by The Beatles about something like that? But that was some 50 years ago, so it's dated too I guess). That's a cliché maybe, but the film is hardly "dated" other than its topical references that no one can understand without knowing a little about U.S. and world history and culture in the 1930s and before (such as the brutal satire of William Randolph Hearst -- wait, who? He was a guy that among other things owned newspapers, by the way). A young idealist fights for the rights of the common people over big money interests, trying to get the truth out to the public until he starts making so much money by doing it that he becomes corrupted into the very thing he started out fighting (and moreover actually realizes with regret at one point what he's become and what he might have been). A portrait of journalism and the media out for nothing more than sensational stories that will sell newspapers or appeal to viewers of newsreels and be forgotten the next day for the next sensational story. This is no less the media of 2016 than it was the media of 1941 or in 1898 when journalists helped rile up readers for the Spanish-American war. The story works on multiple levels, many of which may not even be noticed until the 10th viewing, or maybe the 100th viewing for those too busy checking their phones. Not just CITIZEN KANE, but all movies designed for showing in theatres were intended to be watched, and watched constantly from beginning to end. CITIZEN KANE is so far from dated, it might have been made this year, and it was the first feature-length movie by its 25-year-old director. CITIZEN KANE may not be the "greatest film ever made" as over-enthusiastic critics might like to think (and it is not my favorite film or even my favorite Orson Welles film), but the DVD release is a film school in a box, and any film student who simply dismisses it is not someone whose films I would ever expect to or want to watch. Last edited by Blu-Velvet; 09-27-2016 at 07:17 AM. |
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Even though Citizen Kane isn't my all-time favorite film, it is a remarkable, fascinating, well-done and unconventional movie, especially compared to the movies of the period. I doubt many modern moviegoers are going to blown away by the movie but it really did seem to be a step forward in filmmaking, in the technical sense and in the storytelling realm (e.g., its nonlinear structure). Even though the Ultimate Collector's Edition had a lot of good material (particularly the PBS documentary "The Battle Over Citizen's Kane"), this was such a rich, fascinating movie that I wanted even more background info on the production and its place in history. It's probably unlikely that Kane will get a Blade Runner-like edition, with multiple discs full of interviews, appreciations and similar stuff, but I think the movie deserves it.
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Thanks given by: | benedictopacifico (09-27-2016), Illy Scorsese (09-27-2016) |
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Thanks given by: | benedictopacifico (09-27-2016) |
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Laser Discs used to cost over $80, even for movies that were not worth the first view, let alone something like Citizen Kane that can be watched over and over gaining new things on subsequent viewings. Not to mention the historical importance. Look at the cost to license the public showing of a film and then compare that to owning one of the most important films of all time on Bluray (in basically the same quality they show in theatres), and $80 doesn't look so absurd. I agree, it is more than I'd like to pay (I have an unopened copy of it ![]() |
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After reading the whole debate between Blu Dude and everyone else, all I have to add is that it's a damn shame when film students can't appreciate masterful films such as Citizen Kane, and if I was the professor I would have taken note of those that fell asleep or skipped out, and failed them. People that join a class looking for an easy A are the worst. They have no respect for the craft that they are learning. Same crap happened in my college in both Circus Art and Acting 1, half the class were goofballs just looking for an easy A and not taking it seriously; and they all failed the class.
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He's not a film student. He took a film class. Big difference.
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Thanks given by: | noirjunkie (09-27-2016) |
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That said, I do believe that half of any given class of film students would be bored. I went to film school, one-third of the people who are there don't care about movies at all and another third won't watch anything that from before they were born, to say nothing of the people who simply won't watch movies that are in English (their pretentiousness brings up the average to make up for the others I mentioned). Having lived more than a decade since graduation, for whatever it's worth to people, the people who can't sit still for Citizen Kane are the people who don't work in film now. |
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Who would be bored by Kane? It's universally hailed because it's a great movie. I've seen it many times and it's never boring, and is actually paced like a modern film in many ways. OP has been smoking too much weed in college.
On another note, has there been any word on if there indeed will be a 75th anniversary release and what form it'll take? I'm starting to doubt if it'll indeed come. |
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The first time I tried to watch it in high school it bored me, and I turned it off. I tried again a few years later and was captivated.
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[Show spoiler] I, personally do not like it and yes find it boring as watching paint dry. This doesn't make me a mental defective or morally bankrupt.Yes, I watched the whole tedious thing to the end. Of course, I also subscribe to the "to each his/her own" philosophy. It doesn't bother me that lots of people claim to love this film, I am just not one of them. Hell, I know a guy who doesn't even own a TV of any kind, whatever floats your boat, or doesn't. It is light-years away from being "universally" hailed is my whole point. I have personally never met anyone who said they don't like The Wizard of Oz though. I'm sure there are a few. |
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I always find it amusing reading reviews of classic films by 22 year olds who think they know everything. My favorite was a one star review of Citzen Kane where the reviewer complained that it was in black and white and that Marlon Brando couldn't act. Go watch The Dark Knight again.
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