Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by flyry

Vilya This conversation is commonplace in the "film twitter" realm and nerd podcast community.

I'm not agreeing with you. I think the argument is that we have so much content at our fingertips and more media to consume with the click of a remote than ever possible that some people think shows are long for the sake of being long.

Case in point the 13 ep netflix marvel shows.

Attn spans arent getting shorter per se but if something is bloated just to have a filler episode than we will tune out and watch something else.


Same discussion has been had about movies recently

https://www.indiewire.com/2018/10/sh...er-1202014312/

Which is why the world will shift to short form content. Also the reason why microentertainment will get bigger and bigger. The writing is on the wall and I insist attention spans are getting shorter.

30 minute drama shows will become hugely popular over the next couple of years and from there, stage 1 of the Steedeel prediction will kick in. 20 minutes, 15 minutes do you see?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well Bottom Line is Disc or Digital, and Digital keep gaining ground. Here is an interesting Article from Sound & Vision talking about the last Blockbuster in Bend, Oregon:

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...ple-still-rent

I was there in Bend last July, and it's a great Baby Boomer location. It seems they love the old Mom & Pop Rental experience. It just shows that DVD Quality is more than enough for most people, that Blockbuster doesn't even carry 4K Discs. The Sales Thread shows Disc Sales Tanking, and most people are really not interested in Screenshots or Dolby Atmos!

Ok so it’s not disc versus Digital HD now? It’s disc versus soon to be exclusive films on exclusive services. You will need several different subscriptions and very soon you will need exclusive hardware. You may need three or four streaming boxes to access all the content you want.

Apple will make certain films exclusive to their Apple TV box. This will start the trend. I guarantee this will happen.

That’s the future that you guys who buy digital will have brought on us. Short form and exclusives are coming. I just hope movies survive the war.

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

I would seek out a 7.1(or 2).4 Dolby Atmos/DTS:X setup just to hear Blade Runner: The Final Cut 4K (1982), Blade Runner 2049 4K (2018) and The Great Wall 4K. I would do this even if I could not afford or accommodate a Dolby Atmos/DTS:X setup.

It has been my experience folks get caught up in the visuals and forget to pay close attention to the sound while viewing movies like the ones mentioned above. Just keep this in mind if you do get a chance to audition a immersive sound setup.

I don't see the point. I would end up spending x amount of money for whatever small percentage of movies that even have Dolby Atmos/DTS:X. I don't even have a 4K TV thus would not even benefit. Plain old Dolby Digital 5.1 is still good enough.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

purchases of all types combined are declining slightly, 5.61%.

It is surprising disc have done this well when compared to the decline in box office power.

As much as you want discs to "tank", they will outlast you.

It appears he is POed because some new disc titles have dropped digital codes and digital prices have gone up for new titles.

[cheez avenger]

I sold off most of my BD collection to pay for school. I do have PRIME, HULU, Netflix, Shudder, and FilmStruck to offset that. It's totally fine. Even when I do buy a film, it will most likely be the Digital HD version. The last BD I bought was the new Batman Animated Series, but that was due to paying just $66 for it shipped from the UK. That's a no-brainer and we're also talking about one of the greatest animated shows of all time - I made an exception. Just yesterday I bought the Digital HDX version of the Complete Cowboy Bebop series on VUDU for $9.99. Another no-brainer.

I will happily co-exist within the digital and physical realms but I am no longer placing priority on a tangible object like I used to.

As far as streaming/subscription services go - I cut the cable chord years ago. I like to customize my services and even those, on a per month average, is way less than what I was paying for cable alone.

I have my PS4 that I use as my hub for the various apps and my Apple TV for FilmStruck, Kanopy, Hoopla, etc.

[jess1581]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

Is this guy for real?

Nothing wrong with having a personal preference, but to say there is not actual benefits to going digital with movies or cash is insane.

Sure there's a benefit to digital. No worries about room clutter of physical media... But Beast didn't get the Beauty booty by showing her his Kindle Fire.

And sure, you don't have to get up off the recliner and strain your back putting a disc on a tray. Big whoop.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Which is why the world will shift to short form content. Also the reason why microentertainment will get bigger and bigger. The writing is on the wall and I insist attention spans are getting shorter.

30 minute drama shows will become hugely popular over the next couple of years and from there, stage 1 of the Steedeel prediction will kick in. 20 minutes, 15 minutes do you see?

Insist all you want. Science says you're wrong and it doesn't need your agreement to be factual. You and the other flat earthers routinely deny scientific fact, yet the planet remains spherical despite your willful ignorance.

You insist that movies and TVs are in danger, too. They aren't, but keep on persisting with your insisting. You are a reliable source of unintentional comedy. You could be this forum's version of the supermarket tabloid if only you had a wider range of material to offer than just this same old headline over and over again.

30 minute time slot TV shows, regardless of genre, have been popular for decades. Great job predicting something that has already been the case for longer than you have even been alive. The genre is irrelevant; the 30 minute time slot has been a staple of TV broadcasting since its very beginning. What's next? Do you predict that TV shows will be broadcast in living color?

There will be no shift en masse to short form content; it is already 130 years old and it has in no way hurt longer form content. They have coexisted all of this time and they will continue to do so. You still have presented ZERO evidence showing that long form content is in even the slightest of declines. It is actually growing.

Global box office revenue has grown every single year since 2005. Projections for 2018 show growth as well. The $ don't lie. Long form content is doing fine.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ffice-revenue/

Kinda amazing that long form content is so resilient despite your misguided beliefs that people are increasingly suffering from shortened attention spans while also being obsessed with their phones. How is it that movies are faring so well with such a double whammy pandemic?

Big screen TVs are growing in both size and in sales, 4K models in particular. Sales of 4K TVs are up 80% so far this year, but yet, according to you, we will eschew the TV in favor of watching short subjects on our phones. You honestly could not be more ridiculous about both short subjects and TVs if you made peddling your unhinged predictions your full time job.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by jess1581

Sure there's a benefit to digital. No worries about room clutter of physical media... But Beast didn't get the Beauty booty by showing her his Kindle Fire.

And sure, you don't have to get up off the recliner and strain your back putting a disc on a tray. Big whoop.

I use digital codes for toilet roll. They come in real handy!

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

Plain old Dolby Digital 5.1 is still good enough.

What do you say to folks that say mono sound is good enough? What prompted you to procure a 5.1 system?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

What do you say to folks that say mono sound is good enough? What prompted you to procure a 5.1 system?

Stonesfan is the perfect candidate for digital. Not too worried about quality or HT for that matter imo. ‘Good enough’ is not a word I use for HT.

[Vilya]

Unless you own entirely state of the art flagship gear and also keep up with every new advancement, you, like most of us, said "good enough" somewhere along the way.

Unless you scour the globe for the best home video release of your favorite films and then buy them no matter the cost and then buy them again when a still better release comes out, you have again said "good enough."

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Unless you own entirely state of the art flagship gear and also keep up with every new advancement, you, like most of us, said "good enough" somewhere along the way.

Can we replace “good enough” with “have to do for now”? That is the way I have thought about physical things. I repaired then worked in color television production for 16 years before I could afford to purchase my first new 27" console color TV with a remote control. I never thought my monochrome or small, used color TV’s were “good enough”.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Can we replace “good enough” with “have to do for now”? That is the way I have thought about physical things. I repaired then worked in color television production for 16 years before I could afford to purchase my first new 27" console color TV with a remote control. I never thought my monochrome or small, used color TV’s were “good enough”.

Certainly.

I want better gear than I have, but it has to do for now. Not that I'm complaining; my "make-do" solution pleases me far more often than it doesn't.

Lots of discs I'd like to upgrade, too, but choosing between buying an altogether new title or upgrading an existing one is a never ending conundrum.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Stonesfan is the perfect candidate for digital. Not too worried about quality or HT for that matter imo. ‘Good enough’ is not a word I use for HT.

I am guilty of making some assumptions, I just assume folks that visit a site like Blu-ray.com would be interested in better quality picture and sound. Otherwise, why visit a site like this, I’m not sure what the motivation is.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

I am guilty of making some assumptions, I just assume folks that visit a site like Blu-ray.com would be interested in better quality picture and sound. Otherwise, why could to a site like this, I’m not sure what the motivation is.

Exactly. If it was up to me, I wouldn’t have a digital section.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well Bottom Line is Disc or Digital

Happy Veteran's Day!

You get a free pass today, from me at least, to predict the death of physical media to your heart's content.

And to you also Wendell; Happy Armistice Day on this the 100th anniversary of the end of The War To End All Wars.

[cheez avenger]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Exactly. If it was up to me, I wouldn’t have a digital section.

Good thing it's not up to you.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

I am guilty of making some assumptions, I just assume folks that visit a site like Blu-ray.com would be interested in better quality picture and sound. Otherwise, why could to a site like this, I’m not sure what the motivation is.

The motivation is to get the free codes, or the deeply discounted ones, offered by many of our fellow disc collectors.

I don't encourage this kind of behavior, the free giving away of codes especially, but I am just one person doing what I can to slow the spread of the plague.

[Wendell R. Breland]

^^^

Darn, I intended to post earlier but forgot. Many of the Applebee restaurant's offer a free meal to vets on the 11th. Proof required (VA ID, DD214, etc.)

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by cheez avenger

Good thing it's not up to you.

I can agree with you on this. Digital codes are often a part of the disc combo packs and that alone makes digital a relevant topic for this website.

Plus, many of the digital fans are a lot of fun to converse with. I haz Vudu now because of them.