8K discussion thread

[JohnAV]

Lee still it’s a interesting topic with 8k to what comes afterwards 2020 Olympics as that has been mentioned by NHK for a long time. Starts July 24th 2020 in Tokyo Japan, ends Aug 9th 2020. Some preliminary activities start on July 22nd 2020.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Lee still it’s a interesting topic with 8k to what comes afterwards 2020 Olympics as that has been mentioned by NHK for a long time. Starts July 24th 2020 in Tokyo Japan, ends Aug 9th 2020. Some preliminary activities start on July 22nd 2020.

That's a BIG unknown as I have seen nothing from NHK about their plans for 8K content after the 2020 Olympics. Guess we will have to wait and see.

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by Gillietalls

What about 8K content?!?!?! Anything besides YouTube (which can't even be viewed on TVs yet) being mentioned?

Hope to have more information at CES on native 8K content, and I do have one native 8K HDR surprise to announce at my CES presentation. Also, LG will be gifting all 88" 8K OLED clients with the decoder box so viewers can enjoy Youtube in 8K and other 8K sources as they become available.

8K TV are well suited for those who want 85" and larger screen sizes.

Three more items that drive 8K sales are:

- 1st is that in many cases only 8K TVs can be purchased in these very large screen sizes and that 8K is helpful on these larger screens.

- 2nd, the video processing and in most cases the display itself are in a higher class then any of the 4K TVs, even the new flagship 4K TVs. So if you want the best image quality from FHD or 4K it's an 8K TV.

- 3rd, is to future proof owners so they are ready for my surprise announcement and other 8K sources when they become available.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

8K TV are well suited for those who want 85" and larger screen sizes.

Three more items that drive 8K sales are:

- 1st is that in many cases only 8K TVs can be purchased in these very large screen sizes and that 8K is helpful on these larger screens.

- 2nd, the video processing and in most cases the display itself are in a higher class then any of the 4K TVs, even the new flagship 4K TVs. So if you want the best image quality from FHD or 4K it's an 8K TV.

- 3rd, is to future proof owners so they are ready for my surprise announcement and other 8K sources when they become available.

The marketplace still doesn’t look right, LG only selling a 88” 8k OLED, where is the equivalent 8k OLED in a slightly smaller size?

Sony pushing the Z9G HDR LED sets in 95”, 88”. Not OLED, when? Again the emphasis on huge sets.

While Samsung pitches the less spectacular 8k Q900 in 55”, 65”, 75”, 82”, 95”.

A lot of buyers are not going to go for the extra large sets no matter how much the vendors want to move them, if you going to want 8k TVs to sell better think smaller.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

The marketplace still doesn’t look right, LG only selling a 88” 8k OLED, where is the equivalent 8k OLED in a slightly smaller size?

Sony pushing the Z9G HDR LED sets in 95”, 88”. Not OLED, when? Again the emphasis on huge sets.

While Samsung pitches the less spectacular 8k Q900 in 55”, 65”, 75”, 82”, 95”.

A lot of buyers are not going to go for the extra large sets no matter how much the vendors want to move them, if you going to want 8k TVs to sell better think smaller.

Or put R&D into design to break the 55" barrier in general consumers mind.

[Robert Zohn]

Personally, I don't see a big market for 8K in small screen sizes. Just speaking for our small a/v business we've sole a very good # of Sony, Samsung and LG large screen 8K TVs and no 55" 8K TVs and very very few 65" 8K TVs.

8K resolution mostly benefits the large screen class and the manufacturers know that.

Also consider that since 4K TVs came to market consumers are gravitating to larger screens as the picture quality supports large screens. Now you can enjoy sitting closer to a large screen and not see the pixel structure and the improved video processing and all of the HDR benefits allow consumers to sit as close as you like to fill more of your peripheral vision for a more immersive experience and enjoy the beautiful images.

[Gillietalls]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Hope to have more information at CES on native 8K content, and I do have one native 8K HDR surprise to announce at my CES presentation. Also, LG will be gifting all 88" 8K OLED clients with the decoder box so viewers can enjoy Youtube in 8K and other 8K sources as they become available.

8K TV are well suited for those who want 85" and larger screen sizes.

Three more items that drive 8K sales are:

- 1st is that in many cases only 8K TVs can be purchased in these very large screen sizes and that 8K is helpful on these larger screens.

- 2nd, the video processing and in most cases the display itself are in a higher class then any of the 4K TVs, even the new flagship 4K TVs. So if you want the best image quality from FHD or 4K it's an 8K TV.

- 3rd, is to future proof owners so they are ready for my surprise announcement and other 8K sources when they become available.

Will your surprise announcement benefit current 8K TV owners or only benefit buyers who purchase 8K sets next year (2020)? Current 8K TVs not having the newest codec scares me the most.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Personally, I don't see a big market for 8K in small screen sizes. Just speaking for our small a/v business we've sole a very good # of Sony, Samsung and LG large screen 8K TVs and no 55" 8K TVs and very very few 65" 8K TVs.

8K resolution mostly benefits the large screen class and the manufacturers know that.

Also consider that since 4K TVs came to market consumers are gravitating to larger screens as the picture quality supports large screens. Now you can enjoy sitting closer to a large screen and not see the pixel structure and the improved video processing and all of the HDR benefits allow consumers to sit as close as you like to fill more of your peripheral vision for a more immersive experience and enjoy the beautiful images.

That perspective is replicated at other dealerships.

At this time it's rather pointless to pitch 8K's in smaller sizes because consumers are more interested in application value where the difference in picture quality between 4k and 8k don't justify any interest with no 8k content. Additionally manufacturers want to recoup their 8K technology investments by selling top end models only except Samsung which is thinking differently.

I expect upcoming CES to show the general direction of each manufacturer's effort against home use vs commercial application. Perhaps we will have a better feel for what value 8K presents to each.

Back in 2018 TVTechnology provided this plot for 2022, wonder if it will hold true?

[JohnAV]

Disney+ Opening The Floodgate For DTC Services In 2020 - TVTechnology

ABI Research’s look at the year ahead focuses on OTT, VR/AR, 8K, but not Next Gen TV.
By Michael Balderston , Dec 13, 2019

OYSTER BAY, N.Y.—The impact of Disney+ goes beyond all the memes of Baby Yoda from “The Mandalorian.” The direct-to-consumer (DTC) OTT service, which will be joined by others like HBOMax and NBCUniversal’s Peacock in 2020, is forecasting a shift in the video market, according to a new report from ABI Research.

ABI dove into this and other topics in its “54 Technology Trends to watch in 2020” report. Some of the other trends dealt with virtual reality and augmented reality, 8K and 5G.

The last few years, virtual MVPDs like YouTube TV, DirecTV Now (now AT&T TV Now) and PlayStation Vue (soon to be defunct) were seemingly pointing to how content was distributed as being the key factor in a changing market. However, the popularity of Disney+ and its library of content is shifting that paradigm, and the launch of DTC services HBOMax and Peacock—with deep libraries of content of their own—will result in consumers debating how they will spend their content budget, per ABI.

This will make it difficult for new services that do not have preexisting content to make an impact in the market, predicts ABI. It says Apple TV+ is an example of that already with its lower price ($5 per month) and its bundling with new Apple hardware purchases to help spur subscriber growth.

ABI does see a potential avenue for traditional pay-TV operators. “[T]he shift to DTC does create an opportunity for these MVPDs to serve as an aggregation point for fragmented OTT services,” ABI writes.

2020 may be a good year for DTC, but ABI does not see a big growth in 8K TVs. While the 2020 Summer Olympics in Japan will be broadcasting in 8K, that hi-res broadcast is expected to be limited to the host country. In reality, 8K content for TVs around the world is still extremely limited, so, “without the content to take advantage of the higher resolution, adoption, of course, will be limited,” ABI reasons.

Price is expected to come down for 8K TVs, though it is still expected to be higher than the average consumer can afford, so ABI forecasts less than 1 million shipments of 8K TVs worldwide in 2020. However, 4K TVs are expected to see some growth.

Other findings from ABI’s report touched on VR and AR technology. While there is growing buzz for consumer VR experiences, it is not expected to see a big growth as there still needs to be some maturation in both the hardware and software for the technology. AR, on the other hand, is expected to have some significant growth, particularly on mobile platforms. 2020 will be more of a chance for VR to establish a clearer path moving forward, says ABI.

ABI also touched on the deployment of 5G. It said that it expects 5G Fixed Wireless Access services to see “accelerated growth,” while other 5G services will continue to be built out, though there will still be ample room for growth in the coming years.

One thing that ABI did not touch on that is set for a major deployment next year is Next Gen TV. The new television standard garnered no mention in the report, even though it is expected be available in the top 40 U.S. markets by the end of 2020.

More information can be found on ABI Research’s website, https://www.abiresearch.com/.

[Robert Zohn]

In regard to the first sentence just wanted to be sure everyone knows what the term "Next Gen TV" stands for. It the new buzz word or nickname that TV Broadcasters use when they endearingly refer to ATSC 3.0, which is rolling out across the USA and delivered over the new 5G wireless network and will also be used eventually be employed UHF OTA and OTT.

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Hope to have more information at CES on native 8K content, and I do have one native 8K HDR surprise to announce at my CES presentation. Also, LG will be gifting all 88" 8K OLED clients with the decoder box so viewers can enjoy Youtube in 8K and other 8K sources as they become available.

8K TV are well suited for those who want 85" and larger screen sizes.

Three more items that drive 8K sales are:

- 1st is that in many cases only 8K TVs can be purchased in these very large screen sizes and that 8K is helpful on these larger screens.

- 2nd, the video processing and in most cases the display itself are in a higher class then any of the 4K TVs, even the new flagship 4K TVs. So if you want the best image quality from FHD or 4K it's an 8K TV.

- 3rd, is to future proof owners so they are ready for my surprise announcement and other 8K sources when they become available.

Originally Posted by Gillietalls

Will your surprise announcement benefit current 8K TV owners or only benefit buyers who purchase 8K sets next year (2020)? Current 8K TVs not having the newest codec scares me the most.

What I'll show will directly benefit all current and future 8K TV owners.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Personally, I don't see a big market for 8K in small screen sizes. Just speaking for our small a/v business we've sole a very good # of Sony, Samsung and LG large screen 8K TVs and no 55" 8K TVs and very very few 65" 8K TVs.

The marketplace will still change in 2020.



You can clearly see the 8K and 4K size ranges concerning OLED models is wider then just a 88" 8K OLED, and notice the smaller size 4K OLED model also.

2020 shows Wallpaper, CSO, Rollable, Transparent forms.

Another factory is operational 3rd Q 2019.

[Fendergopher]

65" 8K OLED seems like it would really have that window effect with the right content. When you pair self-emissive with high pixel density and size, you get something good.

[Robert Zohn]

@JohnAV, & @Fendergopher, Correct on what you said for 2020 plus more that we'll see at CES. I've seen and are offered LG's very new transparent OLED displays, but have not purchased any yet as I don't see the need or advantage in the consumer market.

Yes, we will see the launch of the 65" rollable OLED TV from LG in 2020 and the very cool and Wallpaper series with the Dolby Atmos sound bar will reappear for 2020.

On another, but somewhat related item, in just a few hours from now I'll put up a very nice price breakthrough on a great 8K HDR TV.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

The marketplace will still change in 2020.



You can clearly see the 8K and 4K size ranges concerning OLED models is wider then just a 88" 8K OLED, and notice the smaller size 4K OLED model also.

2020 shows Wallpaper, CSO, Rollable, Transparent forms.

Another factory is operational 3rd Q 2019.

What we really need is to start seeing 77 inch OLED models that aren't like double the price of 65".

[MechaGodzilla]

Getting excited for CES!

I have a dentist appointment the very same day CES starts, and this is helping me cope.

[Scottishguy]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

Getting excited for CES!

I have a dentist appointment the very same day CES starts, and this is helping me cope.

You getting a filling? I'm needle phobic, so i ask they use this thing called the wand.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Scottishguy

You getting a filling? I'm need phobic, so i ask they use this thing called the wand.

It's just a regular check-up. I've been blessed with great tooth genes, so I've never had any kind of problems involving my teeth in my three decades on this planet. I still dislike going either way, though.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

The marketplace will still change in 2020.



You can clearly see the 8K and 4K size ranges concerning OLED models is wider then just a 88" 8K OLED, and notice the smaller size 4K OLED model also.

2020 shows Wallpaper, CSO, Rollable, Transparent forms.

Another factory is operational 3rd Q 2019.

It will, but only Panasonic and Philips will be the ones injecting real change.

[Lee A Stewart]

LG 8K TVs first to receive '8K Ultra HD' certification

LG and CTA (Consumer Technology Association) have today announced that LG 8K TVs are the first to receive 8K Ultra HD certification. LG's "real 8K TVs" will be unveiled at CES 2020.

CTA announced its 8K Ultra HD specification and logo back in September 2019. LG's 2020 8K TVs are the first to meet "and exceed" the official industry specification for 8K TVs, the companies announced today.

Besides specifying 8K resolution (7680x4320 pixels), a central element of the 8K Ultra HD specification relies on contrast modulation, which is a way to describe how distinguishable neighbouring pixels are from each another, as defined by the International Committee for Display Metrology (ICDM).

A 4K TV or an 8K TV with low contrast modulation will not be capable of reproducing the full resolution. To meet the 8K Ultra HD specification an 8K TV "shall meet a minimum of 50% contrast modulation using a 1x1 grill pattern", according to the specification. LG says that its 2020 8K TVs all deliver CM (contrast modulation) values in 90 percent range.

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