Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by CV19

I've only got the regular blu-ray rather thank the 4K version, but Planet Earth 2 is a stunning documentary.....I just adore these kind of programmes. In fact, so much so I'm really tempted to double-dip and buy the 4K disc as well as I've been reliably informed it is stunning to watch. Anyway, my 4K 'shelf' is looking a little bare and could do with more stock in any case.

It is stunning mate. Those guys just surpass themselves every time. Such dedication by the crew. Another reason why 4K disc needs to stick around.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I adore every frame. One of those shows that gets even better on repeat viewings. Easilly the best show of 2018 for me. Has more great scenes in one episode that seven series of other tv shows.
The roadhouse scenes Just have creeping dread that I have rarely felt in any other show.

You're doing your best to cost me $50+ dollars...item added to wishlist.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by vilya

you're doing your best to cost me $50+ dollars...item added to wishlist.

18 episodes of pure goodness, great music, that terrific cast, great extras and one of the most surreal, delightful, disturbing episodes (Episode 8) to ever grace the screen.

Oh, and The Chromatics performing Shadow at the end of episode 2. The perfect end to a feature length introduction to the new Twin Peaks.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

18 episodes of pure goodness, great music, that terrific cast, great extras and one of the most surreal, delightful, disturbing episodes (Episode 8) to ever grace the screen.

Oh, and The Chromatics performing Shadow at the end of episode 2. The perfect end to a feature length introduction to the new Twin Peaks.

Get thee behind me Satan! I have enough temptations!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Get thee behind me Satan! I have enough temptations!

Just for some perspective, I am a hardcore Twin Peaks fan.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It is stunning mate. Those guys just surpass themselves every time. Such dedication by the crew. Another reason why 4K disc needs to stick around.

Cheers, and you're right, the work that goes into it is phenomenal and the photography is always outstanding. Anything with David Attenborough will get the thumbs up from me.

I'd love to have a documentary the BBC showed back in around 1995/6 called Nightmares Of Nature. To my knowledge, it's never even had a DVD release, which is a real shame. They did publish a book to accompany the series, but that's all.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by CV19

Cheers, and you're right, the work that goes into it is phenomenal and the photography is always outstanding. Anything with David Attenborough will get the thumbs up from me.

I'd love to have a documentary the BBC showed back in around 1995/6 called Nightmares Of Nature. To my knowledge, it's never even had a DVD release, which is a real shame. They did publish a book to accompany the series, but that's all.

Interesting, will look that up.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Interesting, will look that up.

The book may be out of print now mate if you were looking to get it. Amazon UK have some listed as new from third party sellers, but some of them are asking over £30 for a copy. I would snap this up in an instant if this ever made it to blu-ray.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nightmares-...ares+of+nature

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by CV19

The book may be out of print now mate if you were looking to get it. Amazon UK have some listed as new from third party sellers, but some of them are asking over £30 for a copy. I would snap this up in an instant if this ever made it to blu-ray.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nightmares-...ares+of+nature

Too right.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Vilya

You're doing your best to cost me $50+ dollars...item added to wishlist.

If you require any further assistance to part with your money, we're only too happy to help.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Unfortunately, blame does not change minds, does it? All we can do is extoll the virtues of physical media as best we are able and hope that people make an informed choice.

Many choose a mix of both and I will even accept that as progress.

I always say it's all Digital, and Disc or Streaming will shake out to be the same. I know you Disc guys will say that Discs will be the best Quality, but Streaming keeps getting better. I say Disc or Digital will all be the same. I know that Vilya says Streaming is over the Internet, and Disc is over a Player. I say Streaming is Streaming, over the Internet or straight from a Server or Player. What is the Internet, a collection of Servers on Networks, what is Streaming Digital or Streaming over the Internet. So Streaming over the Internet or from a Server should be the same. Put that Server close or with a direct tie, and you have best connection for high quality Streaming!

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I always say it's all Digital, and Disc or Streaming will shake out to be the same. I know you Disc guys will say that Discs will be the best Quality, but Streaming keeps getting better. I say Disc or Digital will all be the same. I know that Vilya says Streaming is over the Internet, and Disc is over a Player. I say Streaming is Streaming, over the Internet or straight from a Server or Player. What is the Internet, a collection of Servers on Networks, what is Streaming Digital or Streaming over the Internet. So Streaming over the Internet or from a Server should be the same. Put that Server close or with a direct tie, and you have best connection for high quality Streaming!

The many differences between streaming video content over the internet and playing content encoded on a physical disc have been covered previously and at length. Streaming and bit streaming are not the same thing despite having the similarity of both involving the transmission of data. They are not the same just because the data involved is in binary code, either. The requirements to transmit and decode that data are also entirely different. Who possesses the content, the quality and compression levels of it, and where it is stored, locally or remotely, the need for a high speed internet connection or none at all in the case of disc playback, are all HUGE differences that you consistently overlook.

Streaming quality is decent under ideal conditions, but it has been stagnant for almost four years now. The bitrates received from streaming providers for 4K streams have been stuck at 15-16 Mbps during all of this time. There have been no indications that this will improve anytime soon.

Theoretically, bitrates equivalent to disc could be streamed over an internet connection, but practice, not theory, is what matters. It simply is not happening. Such increased bandwidth and the much increased data consumption that goes with it would cost substantially more and many still live in areas where this is not possible. While streaming may improve, physical media likely will as well. In terms of quality physical media has always been the leader.

My internet service has raised its prices three times over the last 4 years while disc prices have been stable over the same period. If bandwidth and data consumption rise to close the gap between streaming and disc playback quality, that service will all but certainly cost more. I personally do not like being dependent upon a high tier internet plan to access movies that I neither possess nor have any control over.

My physical media library is immune to the fluctuations in internet service reliability, servers being overtaxed, and predictable internet service price hikes. All I need to play my discs is my hardware and a reliable source of power, be that my electric utility, a back-up generator, or a battery powered portable device. My power utility has been far more dependable than my ISP has ever been and the cost of it has barely changed in the same period that my ISP has raised its prices three times.

Even if the quality gap narrows, the other big differences remain. True ownership lies with having a physical copy. Anything else is data on someone else's server that you have no control over.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Studios will always have full control over all streaming. Customers will always have control over physical media. That is the fundamental difference between them and it is extremely unlikely to ever change.

With streaming you literally can't play your movies without the studios being involved. You can't buy delisted movies from unofficial vendors. You can't sell or give away your movies. As long as those things remain true then streaming will always be inferior to physical media.

Improvements in video and audio quality will never change my mind. I'll gladly buy a DVD over an 8K stream with lossless video and audio.

Yeah, you DVD buyers don't care about quality at all.

I just had to; I couldn't resist.

[Jegærn]

Digital is ok. I only use it when I need to watch something fast and easy with my family. And I always back up my physical discs on my server.

I can tell you one thing. The day the studios don`t bother to release physical media, I will stop buying movies. The digital quality is just not good enough! I watched Pirates of the caribbean the other night on netflix.....HORRIBLE compression and overall horrible quality! It was like watching someone playing with sand and water on my OLED. Blacks were all over the place. It took me out of the experience.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Who possesses the content, the quality and compression levels of it, and where it is stored, locally or remotely, the need for a high speed internet connection or none at all in the case of disc playback, are all HUGE differences that you consistently overlook.

I am convinced that poster does not have a clue what the term binary data means. He has been provided with many references, charts, tables and data showing the difference between physical and streaming yet continues to post the same message over and over. A military section 8?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

I am convinced that poster does not have a clue what the term binary data means. He has been provided with many references, charts, tables and data showing the difference between physical and streaming yet continues to post the same message over and over. A military section 8?

I would not speculate about someone's military service.

I do often wonder if there is some age related cognitive impairment involved, though. Someone with his background should not have this much trouble understanding the subjects discussed here. Add in that recent comment about Netflix and Amazon being obscure streaming services and you really have to wonder about him.

[Show spoiler]"The Average Person barely knows about Amazon and Netflix, let along all the other Streaming Providers."

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...ostcount=12857

[Vor4]

Have you guys noticed that only 2 manufacturers; Sony and Panasonic revealed their 2019 4K UHD players at CES. Sony only introduced one model and Panasonic introduced 3 models (that may never come to the USA). I think that LG and Samsung may drop 4K UHD Blu-ray players support end of this year. So it’s another nail in the coffin for physical media. I think that this year would be the last year for physical media players. This year at CES was about 8k video and audio/video streaming.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Vor4

Have you guys noticed that only 2 manufacturers; Sony and Panasonic revealed their 2019 4K UHD players at CES. Sony only introduced one model and Panasonic introduced 3 models (that may never come to the USA). I think that LG and Samsung may drop 4K UHD Blu-ray players support end of this year. So it’s another nail in the coffin for physical media. I think that this year would be the last year for physical media players. This year at CES was about 8k video and audio/video streaming.

4K disc sales are up 70%; 4K players are not going anywhere and nor is physical media. There is no need to introduce a new player every year unless such a player represents some type of advancement heretofore not seen before on other models. If companies were removing their players from the market altogether, that would be concerning, but they are not doing so despite your hallucinations to the contrary.

You're the same "genius" who said that blu-ray players were no longer being made in another thread and that, too, is patently false. If you search for them at Best Buy alone, you will get 85 product matches.

"There are no manufactures making blu-ray players anymore."

That ignorant quote is just one of the many blatant falsehoods that you penned in a post chock full of them:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=4010

Best Buy search results for blu-ray players:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...=960&keys=keys

Try laying off of that crack pipe for awhile.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

4K disc sales are up 70%; 4K players are not going anywhere and nor is physical media. There is no need to introduce a new player every year unless such a player represents some type of advancement heretofore not seen before on other models. If companies were removing their players from the market altogether, that would be concerning, but they are not doing so despite your hallucinations to the contrary.

You're the same "genius" who said that blu-ray players were no longer being made in another thread and that, too, is patently false. If you search for them at Best Buy alone, you will get 85 product matches.

"There are no manufactures making blu-ray players anymore."

That ignorant quote is just one of the many blatant falsehoods that you penned in a post chock full of them:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=4010

Best Buy search results for blu-ray players:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...=960&keys=keys

Try laying off of that crack pipe for awhile.

Not to mention the PS5 will almost certainly play blurays (probably 4K discs also) bearing in mind the current console has sold upwards of 90 million, that’s a lot of Blu-ray players already out there.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Looks like Sony is shutting down its Sony Pictures Store and streaming service as noted here.