Offical Neon Genesis Evangelion Info/Update Thread - Page 65 - Blu-ray Forum

kk1 · 06-22-2019, 08:54 PM

Megumi Ogata is Shinji, dub watchers do not give enough credit to Japanese seiyuu. No dub actor is going to come close to her performance, none of them are on the same level of acting. Evangelion has one of the all time best Japanese casts and every one of them did an amazing job. Many times sub watchers say "you're missing out on really good acting" and it's just hyperbole, but in this case it's true.

professorwho · 06-22-2019, 09:45 PM

Eva has to be watched in Japanese. It’s integral to the experience. You’d be missing out on some of the best performances the seiyuu casted ever give. Neither dub comes close to matching the intensity and emotion behind the Japanese cast.

Rozay · 06-22-2019, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by veritas

I like dubs but this is a pretty bad dub from the parts I have heard. I jumped around a bit to a few different scenes and it was seriously lifeless and had little emotion like professorwho said.

I would say the dub for evangellion 1.11 and 2.22 is quite good but this new dub is just terrible as its bad enough that it makes me stop watching it.

*shrug* 12 episodes in and it sounds great to me.

darkness2918 · 06-22-2019, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Talal86

serious question, why are people watching the English dub? don't tell it's dub only on Netflix..?

Because I prefer to watch anime with the English dubs. The only time I watch subs is if I have no other choice or on the very rare occasion I find the dub truly horrible.

KillaCam · 06-22-2019, 10:30 PM

Still arguing over dub/sub I see.

professorwho · 06-22-2019, 10:51 PM

Everything said in that video is so true...

InuYashaCrusade · 06-22-2019, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by darkness2918

Because I prefer to watch anime with the English dubs. The only time I watch subs is if I have no other choice or on the very rare occasion I find the dub truly horrible.

Same. Dub is honestly the only way I will watch my anime, when I have a choice. I had to watch Bakuman subbed recently and it was fine but dub is otherwise a must have for me.

Thedoctor2016 · 06-22-2019, 11:06 PM

I used to watch dubs but since what FUNI did to Free never again. For Evangelion I chose sub years ago because it keeps the same cast for the Rebuilds none of the dubs do that, and god knows who 3.0+1.0's will have as its cast I bet both. As I bet Khara will do Worldwide release.

LordCrumb · 06-22-2019, 11:47 PM

One thing I've noticed in the new dub, it sounds like they are saying "Nerf" rather than Nerv.

I should try and do a visual comparison to the Platnium DVDs... The teaser trailer made it look a lot better than what I'm seeing.

Lutz · 06-23-2019, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kk1

Just about every 14 year old is awkward and dealing with their sexuality, isn't that even one of the points of the show?

Saying we’re all alike is a huge disservice to this issue and some people will see it as erasure. Gay representation matters. It especially matters for kids who can’t be out and find love and acceptance with their peers or family.

I can’t speak for kids these days but 20 years ago when we saw this the times were brutally homophobic.

varmintx · 06-23-2019, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by KillaCam

Still arguing over dub/sub I see.

They just really want to get into the mid-90s mindset for the show.

kk1 · 06-23-2019, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Lutz

Saying we’re all alike is a huge disservice to this issue and some people will see it as erasure. Gay representation matters. It especially matters for kids who can’t be out and find love and acceptance with their peers or family.

I can’t speak for kids these days but 20 years ago when we saw this the times were brutally homophobic.

How is this in any way gay representation? Kaworu isn't even human, and Shinji isn't gay. You can't want something to be something it's not and then claim special ownership of it. And don't lecture me that someone else's problems are more important than my problems. Sick and tired of people pulling that sh!t.

Naiera · 06-23-2019, 01:54 AM

I think you're the one stretching things to make it not something that it quite obviously is. Kaworu was totally gay for Shinji, or at least he pretended to be to mess Shinji up even more. Doesn't matter if Shinji isn't gay.

kk1 · 06-23-2019, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Naiera

I think you're the one stretching things to make it not something that it quite obviously is. Kaworu was totally gay for Shinji, or at least he pretended to be to mess him up even more. Doesn't matter if Shinji isn't gay.

huh? me?

Since Shinji didn't see it that way how did it mess him up? He only saw it as someone, anyone finally unconditionally appreciating him. Not someone looking for a romantic relationship. Kaworu looks at humans the way we look at pets, we know we're a higher life form but still treat them with affection as if they're on equal ground with us. Shinji is a lonely puppy to Kaworu who he pats on the head to make him feel wanted.

professorwho · 06-23-2019, 02:19 AM

The point, as I saw it, was that Shinji had never been told by anyone that he was loved (except maybe his mother), so that when Kaworu said he loved Shinji, it was a turning point for him (Shinji). We’ve been following him at his lowest points, and him being with Misato, Rei and Asuka made him feel like there were people out for him, but still no romantic implications. As the series continues, Shinji slowly gets back to where he was at the start, with his self-esteem and happiness at its lowest, so Kaworu saying he loves him gave him a sense of hope that this world is worth living in and saving.

Does it matter if Shinji or Kaworu are gay? Not really. It was Kaworu saying that to Shinji which was the turning point in Shinji’s outlook on life.

Or at least, that’s how I interpreted it.

Lutz · 06-23-2019, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kk1

How is this in any way gay representation? Kaworu isn't even human, and Shinji isn't gay. You can't want something to be something it's not and then claim special ownership of it. And don't lecture me that someone else's problems are more important than my problems. Sick and tired of people pulling that sh!t.

If your problems aren't being killed/imprisoned/tortured for who you are while having your literature and history destroyed then, I'm sorry, those problems *are* more important than yours.

This isn't about name calling or some minor inconvenience making gay people uncomfortable so don't try and downplay it like "we all have problems" or "we're all the same can't we just get along". Take ownership of that bull.

BoscoTheMan82 · 06-23-2019, 03:04 AM

I gave my first thoughts on twitter yesterday, and yeah this dub is pretty bad especially Shinji, the speech he gives in episode 1 is just so lifeless and dull, Spike Spencer did a much better job at the part

Bobo1313 · 06-23-2019, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Lutz

If your problems aren't being killed/imprisoned/tortured for who you are while having your literature and history destroyed then, I'm sorry, those problems *are* more important than yours.

This isn't about name calling or some minor inconvenience making gay people uncomfortable so don't try and downplay it like "we all have problems" or "we're all the same can't we just get along". Take ownership of that bull.

Give it a rest dude. Every race/religion/sex gets killed/imprisoned/totured, no one has exclusivity to hardships. I'm so tired of the oppression Olympics.

Brutalizer79 · 06-23-2019, 03:21 AM

I haven't watched the Netflix version and not really planning on it, tbh, but from what I remember from the last time I watched the series is that when Kaworu says the "I love you" line to Shinji, I never once took that to be said in a romantic kind of way but I don't give a frick either way. The twitter people should be happy because at least they'll have one more thing they can faux outrage over.

dlb99 · 06-23-2019, 03:31 AM

The reaction to the new dub is hilarious, and totally expected. Anime community has not been this heated since the Vic drama.

The new dub is serviceable. I am not hearing anything that I dislike.
The only dub was also serviceable (if somewhat inconsistent).

I watched the old dub back in the day, now watching the new one. I don't feel like I am missing anything.

The new dub certainly is not bad. I can understand some folks preferring the old, but calling the new one bad is wrong.

For a bad dub witness the first release of A.I.C.O on Netflix. That was an awful dub. Note, that has since be debubbed, and is much better now.

Anno and Studio Khara wanted this, they wanted a new dub with an emphasis on the things they want. Don't kid yourself otherwise. This was not driven by Netflix revisionism, this is Anno (maybe with a small case of George Lucas disease).

The HD video is outstanding by the way. Looks beautiful on my big screen.

06-23-2019, 01:54 AM	#1293
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	I think you're the one stretching things to make it not something that it quite obviously is. Kaworu was totally gay for Shinji, or at least he pretended to be to mess Shinji up even more. Doesn't matter if Shinji isn't gay. Last edited by Naiera; 06-23-2019 at 02:04 AM.

06-22-2019, 08:54 PM	#1281
kk1 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:May 2015 Blu-ray collection:610	Megumi Ogata is Shinji, dub watchers do not give enough credit to Japanese seiyuu. No dub actor is going to come close to her performance, none of them are on the same level of acting. Evangelion has one of the all time best Japanese casts and every one of them did an amazing job. Many times sub watchers say "you're missing out on really good acting" and it's just hyperbole, but in this case it's true.

06-22-2019, 09:45 PM	#1282
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:230 Blu-ray collection:983 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	Eva has to be watched in Japanese. It’s integral to the experience. You’d be missing out on some of the best performances the seiyuu casted ever give. Neither dub comes close to matching the intensity and emotion behind the Japanese cast.

06-22-2019, 10:30 PM	#1285
KillaCam Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Oct 2014 Location:Houston, Texas 4K collection:178 Blu-ray collection:3009 DVD collection:269 Trading Score:110	Still arguing over dub/sub I see.

06-22-2019, 11:06 PM	#1288
Thedoctor2016 Active Member Member since:Aug 2016 Blu-ray collection:116	I used to watch dubs but since what FUNI did to Free never again. For Evangelion I chose sub years ago because it keeps the same cast for the Rebuilds none of the dubs do that, and god knows who 3.0+1.0's will have as its cast I bet both. As I bet Khara will do Worldwide release.

06-22-2019, 11:47 PM	#1289
LordCrumb Moderator Top contributor Member since:May 2009 Location:New Zealand Home Theater Gallery:4 4K collection:405 Blu-ray collection:2924 DVD collection:109 Blu-ray reviews: 12 Trading Score:67	One thing I've noticed in the new dub, it sounds like they are saying "Nerf" rather than Nerv. I should try and do a visual comparison to the Platnium DVDs... The teaser trailer made it look a lot better than what I'm seeing.

06-23-2019, 02:19 AM	#1295
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:230 Blu-ray collection:983 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	The point, as I saw it, was that Shinji had never been told by anyone that he was loved (except maybe his mother), so that when Kaworu said he loved Shinji, it was a turning point for him (Shinji). We’ve been following him at his lowest points, and him being with Misato, Rei and Asuka made him feel like there were people out for him, but still no romantic implications. As the series continues, Shinji slowly gets back to where he was at the start, with his self-esteem and happiness at its lowest, so Kaworu saying he loves him gave him a sense of hope that this world is worth living in and saving. Does it matter if Shinji or Kaworu are gay? Not really. It was Kaworu saying that to Shinji which was the turning point in Shinji’s outlook on life. Or at least, that’s how I interpreted it.

06-23-2019, 03:04 AM	#1297
BoscoTheMan82 Active Member Member since:Feb 2019 Location:North Dakota Blu-ray collection:655 DVD collection:464 Trading Score:1	I gave my first thoughts on twitter yesterday, and yeah this dub is pretty bad especially Shinji, the speech he gives in episode 1 is just so lifeless and dull, Spike Spencer did a much better job at the part

06-23-2019, 03:21 AM	#1299
Brutalizer79 Power Member Top contributor Member since:Apr 2015 Location:Northeast Ohio 4K collection:75 Blu-ray collection:2746 DVD collection:803	I haven't watched the Netflix version and not really planning on it, tbh, but from what I remember from the last time I watched the series is that when Kaworu says the "I love you" line to Shinji, I never once took that to be said in a romantic kind of way but I don't give a frick either way. The twitter people should be happy because at least they'll have one more thing they can faux outrage over.

06-23-2019, 03:31 AM	#1300
dlb99 Senior Member Member since:Nov 2012	The reaction to the new dub is hilarious, and totally expected. Anime community has not been this heated since the Vic drama. The new dub is serviceable. I am not hearing anything that I dislike. The only dub was also serviceable (if somewhat inconsistent). I watched the old dub back in the day, now watching the new one. I don't feel like I am missing anything. The new dub certainly is not bad. I can understand some folks preferring the old, but calling the new one bad is wrong. For a bad dub witness the first release of A.I.C.O on Netflix. That was an awful dub. Note, that has since be debubbed, and is much better now. Anno and Studio Khara wanted this, they wanted a new dub with an emphasis on the things they want. Don't kid yourself otherwise. This was not driven by Netflix revisionism, this is Anno (maybe with a small case of George Lucas disease). The HD video is outstanding by the way. Looks beautiful on my big screen.

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