Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

https://www.moviefone.com/2019/01/17...g-naomi-watts/

It starts...........

This is the perfect storm I have been talking about. 5G, increasing broadband prices and big budget short form, mobile centric content.

Can’t believe people can’t see this coming. Talk about head in sand.

No one is denying that short-form content could become popular but your fears that they'll replace everything else are asinine. It will just be another form of media. TV shows, movies, short films, songs, albums, musicals, novels, short stories, video games, and many other forms of media have all co-existed for many decades. There is absolutely no reason to think that any new form of media will supplant all the others.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

No one is denying that short-form content could become popular but your fears that they'll replace everything else are asinine. It will just be another form of media. TV shows, movies, short films, songs, albums, musicals, novels, short stories, video games, and many other forms of media have all co-existed for many decades. There is no reason to think that any new form of media will supplant all the others.

Did billions of people have access to smartphones in previous decades? Was mobile video time increasing in any other decade?

[octagon]

And 'short form' is not new. Neither is 'big budget short form'.

How much do you think a 22 minute Friends episode ran NBC?

Edit: holy ****, I just googled it and it was $10M per episode

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Billions of people have had access to TVs for over 70 years but that hasn't stopped them from going to see movies in theaters. If movies and TV shows can co-exist why can't mobile content co-exist?

Short form video is the fastest growing media out there. It’s eating away at long form by the year. Eventually there has to be a tipping point.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

And 'short form' is not new. Neither is 'big budget short form'.

How much do you think a 22 minute Friends episode ran NBC?

Edit: holy ****, I just googled it and it was $10M per episode

Short form tends to be defined as anything 10 minutes or less. Heck, millennials watch videos of 5 minutes or less.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Short form tends to be defined as anything 10 minutes or less. Heck, millennials watch videos of 5 minutes or less.

Are you sure about that? Weren't you in here a few weeks ago sounding the alarm about some short form drama with 30 minute episodes?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

Are you sure about that? Weren't you in here a few weeks ago sounding the alarm about some short form drama with 30 minute episodes?

No, I don’t class 30 minutes as short form.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Short form video is the fastest growing media out there. It’s estin* away at long form by the year. Eventually there has to be a tipping point.

When TV shows were introduced the same thing happened. They quickly became more popular than movies but didn't replace them. I can't predict what the most popular form of media in the future will be, but I am absolutely positive they will all continue to co-exist.

There are literally thousands of companies and millions of people in the film and television industries. The idea that they'll all abandon their life's work to exclusively pursue short-form content is completely absurd.

Your view of younger generations is extremely narrow and frankly insulting. The idea that all of them are only interested in watching (and making) short mobile videos is crazy. They have a variety of different tastes and interests just like every generation that came before.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Short form video is the fastest growing media out there. It’s eating away at long form by the year.

[citation needed]

I'm not even going to bother asking how you know short form is the 'fastest growing media out there'.

But do you have any evidence at all that suggests that the time spent watching short form videos is time that would have otherwise been spent watching long form video?

I used to read the newspaper on the train but that didn't eat into my workout time.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Eventually there has to be a tipping point.

No there doesn't.

Every year there's a whole slew of New Flashy Things. Some of them have legs, most of them do not. Most of them just fizzle out. That's why there's always a Next Big Thing. Because the Last Big Thing was just a thing.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

When TV shows were introduced the same thing happened. They quickly became more popular than movies but didn't replace them. I can't predict what the most popular form of media in the future will be, but I am absolutely positive they will all continue to co-exist.

There are literally thousands of companies and millions of people in the film and television industries. The idea that they'll all abandon their life's work to exclusively pursue short-form content is completely absurd.

Your view of younger generations is extremely narrow and frankly insulting. The idea that all of them are only interested in watching (and making) short mobile videos is crazy. They have a variety of different tastes and interests just like every generation that came before.

Director’s, actors etc.. go where the money is. The young demographic (generation Z) is where they are seeing changes. Already we are seeing big name director’s, studios and stars signed up for that short form. I lie service I linked to.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

[citation needed]

I'm not even going to bother asking how you know short form is the 'fastest growing media out there'.

But do you have any evidence at all that suggests that the time spent watching short form videos is time that would have otherwise been spent watching long form video?

I used to read the newspaper on the train but that didn't eat into my workout time.



No there doesn't.

Every year there's a whole slew of New Flashy Things. Some of them have legs, most of them do not. Most of them just fizzle out. That's why there's always a Next Big Thing. Because the Last Big Thing was just a thing.

Are you saying short form doesn’t have legs?

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Are you saying short form doesn’t have legs?

It has legs in the sense that it's nothing new. We've talked about this. The Three Stooges, Saturday serials, Looney Tunes, The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle...bite-sized entertainment is nothing new.

It's been around for as long as there have been movies and TVs.

What seems a little fadish to me are all the stories that so bundle your boxers: blah blah blah has just signed with Bite Sized Unlimited to develop Ten Minute Mysteries.

It makes perfect sense for high powered producers to seek high priced talent to try to be The Next Big Thing by having everybody on every plane and train and bus watching their bite-sized show but I don't really see it.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe in a few years watercooler shows will be shows people watch on their phones while standing around the watercooler.

But probably not.

[stonesfan129]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I still like Vudu- for rentals, but I was highly displeased to have my holiday movie interrupted. I went from Christmas cheerful to full-on curmudgeon in zero flat. I just needed to vent my frustration.

I supposedly will get a $2 credit for watching this movie, part of their "free rental with ads" promotion, assuming all of the problems did not cheat me out of getting it.

It failed for everyone. This will inevitably happen. For what it's worth, your power could also have gone out preventing you from watching the movie on a disc. VUDU copies are still well worth it for movies I will watch more than once, but stuff I don't like enough to buy on Blu-ray.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by octagon

It has legs in the sense that it's nothing new. We've talked about this. The Three Stooges, Saturday serials, Looney Tunes, The Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle...bite-sized entertainment is nothing new.

It's been around for as long as there have been movies and TVs.

What seems a little fadish to me are all the stories that so bundle your boxers: blah blah blah has just signed with Bite Sized Unlimited to develop Ten Minute Mysteries.

It makes perfect sense for high powered producers to seek high priced talent to try to be The Next Big Thing by having everybody on every plane and train and bus watching their bite-sized show but I don't really see it.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe in a few years watercooler shows will be shows people watch on their phones while standing around the watercooler.

But probably not.

Covering yourself at the end there?

[stonesfan129]

When you guys say "short content," are you talking about little mini-series TV shows like Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, stuff like that? There already is short content like that but it still isn't overtaking traditional, long movies and probably never will.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

When you guys say "short content," are you talking about little mini-series TV shows like Breaking Bad, The Sopranos, stuff like that? There already is short content like that but it still isn't overtaking traditional, long movies and probably never will.

No, we're talking about videos that are less than 10 minutes long. Steedeel (and only Steedeel) believes that they will become ridiculously popular and replace all other movies and TV shows.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Covering yourself at the end there?

Not really, no.

Could one of the short form shows be the next Candy Crush? Maybe. It's hard to say what will or won't catch fire.

But I don't see it happening and I definitely don't see it having any lasting impact if it does.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by octagon

Could one of the short form shows be the next Candy Crush? Maybe. It's hard to say what will or won't catch fire.

Did I miss something? Did Candy Crush replace all other video games?

[stonesfan129]

I mean don't TV shows already have around 10 minutes of actual content and 20 minutes of commercials? That stuff won't replace movies.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by stonesfan129

I mean don't TV shows already have around 10 minutes of actual content and 20 minutes of commercials? That stuff won't replace movies.

The other way around but yeah.